Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[BFoe]

They are decent fighters - are they (as the previous poster posited) using "Fedors fight system from 2005"?

My issue, as always, isn't anything against Fedor. It's the continued instance that peak MMA technique was somehow achieved in the early 00s despite no one having more than 2 or 3 years experience.

Well I don’t know if I’d say “peak
MMA technique” was achieved across the board at that time. What I will say is that in the same way guys like Hunt or Mirko came over from kickboxing and were successful, so did Izzy and Poatan both, so did Gane from Muay Thai, etc…. Fedor for his part was the best sambo practitioner in the world (plus had Olympic level judo), so his skills translated quite well—and still does. Has sambo become irrelevant in modern MMA? Anything but. High level sambo guys are dominating all over the place.

As for Fedor’s students, yes— they train in the exact same gym Fedor has for years, with the same coaches, using the same methods. Now granted, not every member of the team is elite. But Nemkov, Moldavsky, and Tokov certainly are. So I think those methods and style still translate very well.

Nemkov actually spent a bit of time at ATT before his last fight, but that’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. I support it, it can only help. But yeah, Fedor’s coaching and methods have produced some great fighters.

 

[TJ177]

Well I don’t know if I’d say “peak
MMA technique” was achieved across the board at that time. What I will say is that in the same way guys like Hunt or Mirko came over from kickboxing and were successful, so did Izzy and Poatan both, so did Gane from Muay Thai, etc…. Fedor for his part was the best sambo practitioner in the world (plus had Olympic level judo), so his skills translated quite well—and still does. Has sambo become irrelevant in modern MMA? Anything but. High level sambo guys are dominating all over the place.

As for Fedor’s students, yes— they train in the exact same gym Fedor has for years, with the same coaches, using the same methods. Now granted, not every member of the team is elite. But Nemkov, Moldavsky, and Tokov certainly are. So I think those methods and style still translate very well.

Nemkov actually spent a bit of time at ATT before his last fight, but that’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. I support it, it can only help. But yeah, Fedor’s coaching and methods have produced some great fighters.

I have no issue with any of this.

My personal belief remains that Fedor is/was an excellent sambo practioner who was very quick and had very good hands, and that well-rounded profile was extraordinarily dominate in the early era of MMA.

I don't think that profile transcends time and space and I don't think he was singularly transcendent in terms of speed and power. The heavyweight division had its most dominate champion at the time when the challengers had the least amount of MMA experience and the least amount of coaching history to draw from. To me that has never been a coincidence.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Let's get this Dec. 2022 Fedor thread to 1000 posts, lads.

Timeless. GOAT.

 

[BFoe]

I have no issue with any of this.

My personal belief remains that Fedor is/was an excellent sambo practioner who was very quick and had very good hands, and that well-rounded profile was extraordinarily dominate in the early era of MMA.

I don't think that profile transcends time and space and I don't think he was singularly transcendent in terms of speed and power. The heavyweight division had its most dominate champion at the time when the challengers had the least amount of MMA experience and the least amount of coaching history to draw from. To me that has never been a coincidence.

Ehh, I think it depends. For example, Andrei Arlovski had way more MMA experience when Fedor fought him than Ngannou did when Stipe beat him. Cro Cop came over from K1 much like Gane did from Muay Thai—but Mirko had way more MMA experience when Fedor fought him than Gane did when Ngannou fought him. But there are examples like you are saying, such as Mark Hunt who didn’t have tons of mma experience. But we see that still today as well.

I think Fedor’s background made him exceptionally well-rounded, that’s true. And so he had more tools against certain guys. But many guys today aren’t super well rounded. Stipe has no BJJ rank that I know of, Ngannou recently started wrestling and is a BJJ blue belt, Gane is a BJJ white belt and also had no real wrestling background, Rozenstruik is the same, etc. Whether “prime Fedor” could get in a Time Machine and just crush everyone today is questionable/debatable, but his skillset holds up quite nicely today imho.

 

[TJ177]

Ehh, I think it depends. For example, Andrei Arlovski had way more MMA experience when Fedor fought him than Ngannou did when Stipe beat him. Cro Cop came over from K1 much like Gane did from Muay Thai—but Mirko had way more MMA experience when Fedor fought him than Gane did when Ngannou fought him. But there are examples like you are saying, such as Mark Hunt who didn’t have tons of mma experience. But we see that still today as well.

I think Fedor’s background made him exceptionally well-rounded, that’s true. And so he had more tools against certain guys. But many guys today aren’t super well rounded. Stipe has no BJJ rank that I know of, Ngannou recently started wrestling and is a BJJ blue belt, Gane is a BJJ white belt and also had no real wrestling background, Rozenstruik is the same, etc. Whether “prime Fedor” could get in a Time Machine and just crush everyone today is questionable/debatable, but his skillset holds up quite nicely today imho.

Again - this is all reasonable stuff and not actually far from where I stand. A couple of things:
1. Arlovski is an interesting case. He's a bit of the living embodiment of evolution, as he's changed his styles so much across camps and coaches. I couldn't actually pinpoint when he was at his best. Resume wise it was the Fedor fight, but that was before he went to Jackson-Wink and ATT and he was still doing things like the jumping knee and backing up against the cage. I couldn't tell you who would win a fight between 2009 AA or 2015 AA.
2. I differentiate between years training experience and number of fights. Mirko was still actively kickboxing through 2002.
3. I think the belt thing is a bit overrated these days given how embedded it is in the training. Guys aren't chasing belts if they're training full-time. Barnett a good example from the old days. Ngannou tapping out a black belt in the UFC also making the case.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Timeless. GOAT.

Seven



Seven non title fights between Nog 1 and 2


Which of these men was worthy of a fight with world #1?

Valavicius, Fujita, Goodridge, Nagata, Coleman, Randleman, Ogawa


There hasnt been a relevant Japanese fighter above 170 in ages...yet there's 3 on that list


Bush league

 

[Fioretti]

Fedro went 3-3 the first time he faced 6 top 10s in a row. Finished 3 consecutive times. He was 33, not past his prime, and his undefeated streak prior to this was mostly due to the lack of quality in his opposition. He faced top 10 guys less than 30% of the time during that streak, and 20-30% of his top 10 wins during that time barely made the cut.

Let it go, boys. Your hero lost. He's not unbeatable, and is the epitome of a fighter with a padded record. Fuckin hell.

 

[BowserJr]

So Fedor losing to Werdum, Bigfoot and Henderson is opinion , in your mind?

Can you define the word opinion and the word fact?

Oh I see you looked up the definition of fact and opinion since now you're changing what you said.

On multiple occasions you stated "ass handed to him", doesn't "do well" in sanctioned fights.

Now that you've conceded that those are opinions you've made some progress towards having coherent thoughts.

Congrats

Maybe now you can look up the definition of bullshit too since you keep making false statements

 

[TJ177]

Nah man you're a passive aggressive little rat shill claiming Vadim Nemkov is the only guy who had success under Fedors coaching. Literally almost every fighter Fedor coached has achieved success.

Nemkov is multiple time champion in Sambo, he is the Bellator champion and best LHW in the world. Beat modern day guys with world class wrestling pedigrees like Phil Davis, Ryan Bader and Corey Anderson. Phil Davis and Corey both smashed Glover and Jan- the last two LHW champions in the UFC.

Valentin Moldavsky is multiple time champion in Sambo, was a bellator champion and is a solid top 15 HW.

Tokov is a multiple time world champion in Sambo and is about to fight for the Bellator MW world title.

Kirill Sidelnikov is a multiple time Russian national champion in Sambo and had a decent MMA career.

You're a passive aggressive little rat with big miserable internet dweller energy. Shameful.

You listed a bunch of sambo accomplishments which has nothing to do with the topic.

And I was responding to a reasonable person who seemingly lives in reality and is able to bring substance to the dialogue.

I am not sure what your obsession with rodents and basement dwelling is but I hope that you find help and happiness in life.

 

[The Last King]

You listed a bunch of sambo accomplishments which has nothing to do with the topic.

And I was responding to a reasonable person who seemingly lives in reality and is able to bring substance to the dialogue.

I am not sure what your obsession with rodents and basement dwelling is but I hope that you find help and happiness in life.

Nemkov is the Bellator champion and best LHW in the world and multiple time combat sambo champion: coached by Fedor.

Moldavsky was the Bellator champion and is a multiple time combat sambo champion: coached by Fedor

Tokov is the next challenger for the Bellator MW championship and is a multi time world combat sambo champion.

Multiple champions and title contenders in MMA and multiple sambo world champions all coached by Fedor but according to morons like you "other than Nemkov Fedor coaches nothing but cans"

And winning a sambo world championship is relevant for MMA because the sport is basically MMA in a gi. Winning on such a level is a reflection of your coaching- you low iq shill lol

Keep going. You have been a fantastic punching bag.

 

[The Last King]

Fedro went 3-3 the first time he faced 6 top 10s in a row. Finished 3 consecutive times. He was 33, not past his prime, and his undefeated streak prior to this was mostly due to the lack of quality in his opposition. He faced top 10 guys less than 30% of the time during that streak, and 20-30% of his top 10 wins during that time barely made the cut.

Let it go, boys. Your hero lost. He's not unbeatable, and is the epitome of a fighter with a padded record. Fuckin hell.

Fedor was the #1 P4P fighter in the world for 7 years from 2003-2010 with 18 title defenses. There isn't anything a couch dwelling shill from sherdog can do or say to change this.

 

[The Last King]

Khabib: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jon Jones: "Fedor belongs on Mount Rushmore of MMA. "

GSP: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Aldo: "Fedor is the greatest ever."


Couch dweller shill from sherdog: "Fedor sucks."


Makes sense.

 

[Fioretti]

Fedor was the #1 P4P fighter in the world for 7 years from 2003-2010 with 18 title defenses. There isn't anything a couch dwelling shill from sherdog can do or say to change this.

There she is!!

18 title defenses? Lol. Bedtime, sweetie!

 

[The Last King]

There she is!!

18 title defenses? Lol. Bedtime, sweetie!

Yes, when you become the world champion and win 18 consecutive fights, each fight is a title defense because your reputation as the best fighter in the world is on the line in each one of those fights. There's nothing a couch dwelling shill can say or do to change this.

 

[Can’t Handle My Riddum]

Nah man you're a passive aggressive little rat shill claiming Vadim Nemkov is the only guy who had success under Fedors coaching. Literally almost every fighter Fedor coached has achieved success.

Nemkov is multiple time champion in Sambo, he is the Bellator champion and best LHW in the world. Beat modern day guys with world class wrestling pedigrees like Phil Davis, Ryan Bader and Corey Anderson. Phil Davis and Corey both smashed Glover and Jan- the last two LHW champions in the UFC.

Valentin Moldavsky is multiple time champion in Sambo, was a bellator champion and is a solid top 15 HW.

Tokov is a multiple time world champion in Sambo and is about to fight for the Bellator MW world title.

Kirill Sidelnikov is a multiple time Russian national champion in Sambo and had a decent MMA career.

You're a passive aggressive little rat with big miserable internet dweller energy. Shameful.

Your lack of reasonable responses to a reasonable post is a cancer to this forum.

 

[TJ177]

Nemkov is the Bellator champion and best LHW in the world and multiple time combat sambo champion: coached by Fedor.

Moldavsky was the Bellator champion and is a multiple time combat sambo champion: coached by Fedor

Tokov is the next challenger for the Bellator MW championship and is a multi time world combat sambo champion.

Multiple champions and title contenders in MMA and multiple sambo world champions all coached by Fedor but according to morons like you "other than Nemkov Fedor coaches nothing but cans"

And winning a sambo world championship is relevant for MMA because the sport is basically MMA in a gi. Winning on such a level is a reflection of your coaching- you low iq shill lol

Keep going. You have been a fantastic punching bag.

We all enjoy your meltdowns when you get triggered but I struggle with seeing how sambo guy Fedor coaching a bunch of sambo guys is relative to the supposed supremacy of his 2005 fighting style.

Nemkov is decent besides the time that he gave up after 10 minutes. Tough to be considered the best in the world when you quit against the UFC LHW champ.

The rest of the other guys being ALMOST maybe Bellator title challengers sounds super mid and kind of a silly argument to push. If the peak of your career is maybe challenging for the same title that your 46 year old coach is still in contention for, maybe you need a new coach.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Seven



Seven non title fights between Nog 1 and 2


Which of these men was worthy of a fight with world #1?

Valavicius, Fujita, Goodridge, Nagata, Coleman, Randleman, Ogawa


There hasnt been a relevant Japanese fighter above 170 in ages...yet there's 3 on that list


Bush league

Florini and Conor superfan MartinGibson will be pushing this to 1500 posts. GOAT meltdown for the GOAT.

GOAT.

 

[The Last King]

We all enjoy your meltdowns when you get triggered but I struggle with seeing how sambo guy Fedor coaching a bunch of sambo guys is relative to the supposed supremacy of his 2005 fighting style.

Nemkov is decent besides the time that he gave up after 10 minutes. Tough to be considered the best in the world when you quit against the UFC LHW champ.

The rest of the other guys being ALMOST maybe Bellator title challengers sounds super mid and kind of a silly argument to push. If the peak of your career is maybe challenging for the same title that your 46 year old coach is still in contention for, maybe you need a new coach.

Wow Nemkov lost in his 5th professional fight 8 years ago. I guess that means he sucks and Fedor isn't a great coach with a proven fight system.

Winning a title in Bellator or in Combat Sambo world championships/ Russian nationals is a phenomenonal achievement that's absolutely a reflection or your coach and your coaches fight system. The fact that this fight system is producing champions in 2022 is impressive and a reflection of its effectiveness.

As far as downplaying the achievement of becoming a Bellator/ Sambo world/ Russian national champion- well that's expected on the internet. Its a projection of miserable, sherdog couch dweller behavior. Its a reflection of the kind of toxic, hateful , passive aggressive rat that sits behind your screen. I'd love to hear about your training and achievements in combat sports.

Keep going through.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Florini and Conor superfan MartinGibson will be pushing this to 1500 posts. GOAT meltdown for the GOAT.

GOAT.

Seven



Seven non title fights...


one against a man with zero career wins

 

[The Last King]

Seven



Seven non title fights...


one against a man with zero career wins

18 defenses. Deal with it.

When you're fighting 5x per year it doesn't matter if you crush a can in one of those fights. You still run the risk of losing via fluke or freak injury etc.

It makes UFC shills really uncomfortable knowing that Fedor is the GOAT who was the #1 fighter in the world at any weight class for 7 years with 18 consecutive wins after becoming champion.

18 title defenses. Deal with it shill.