Fedor started slowing down at 33, GSP retired at 32, Jones is 32..

Mamou said:
Yeah, what would Anderson have done if he had to face the MW version of Dan Hardy or Matt Serra?
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right well dan hardy and serra are better than cote, lutter, leites, and okami. so thats nearly half of andersons defences.

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PEDS Help me Post said:
He also didn't start fighting until he was around 30 years old.
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There was an article/research that says a person's physical peaks at age 30. Even though he didn't start fighting until 30, he has been competing at the highest physical level since forever. I think it's also safe to say he didn't do any striking until late 20s, all past his physical prime. Imagine if he fought earlier. He'd dominate everyone.
 
GrayArea said:
There’s nothing to debunk mate. If Georges wanted to fight Silva, it would have happened. It didn’t happen.

the same way the bisping fight happened years later.
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They could have fought at 170 or 185. Anderson didn't want to fight at 170. GSP didn't want to fight at 185. Neither wanted to fight at 177.5 (Anderson mentioned it once, then dropped it, because both get PPV money and a catchweight fight loses most casual viewers).

Basically, going to the other guy's weight would be accepting a big disadvantage. Any competent business person will tell you that you only take a big disadvantage if you're given financial compensation for doing so. That means it was up to the UFC to offer whoever was willing to change weight millions in bonus money to take the disadvantage. The UFC though is used to dealing with idiots who don't know even the basics of business contracts, so didn't want to pay for one of them to change weight. And since neither GSP nor Anderson are idiots (they're actually both pretty smart), they both laughed at the idea of changing weight for free. Hence the fight didn't happen.

It was up to the UFC to pay one or the other a guaranteed bonus to change weight. They refused, and so of course neither Anderson or GSP wanted to change the fight. That was business 101, you don't take a major disadvantage in a contract for free.
 
Hirashin said:
I blame the government for puting him in jail and taking away his prime. He was never the same afterwards.
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I agree. Pre-suspension Ali was incredibly fast, with amazing reflexes and timing. Post suspension Ali was still great, but nothing like he'd been.
 
chickenlip said:
If I remember correctly, Fedor didn’t “dominate every single second” of the fight against Brett Rogers. It was a long time ago, but I’m pretty sure he ended the first round on his back with Walmart fists coming down at him. Correct me if I’m wrong of course
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Rogers landed his first punch which broke open a cut Fedor had on his nose from training (the announcers thought it broke his nose). He also landed 3-5 punches on the ground which looked worse than it was. That was all he really did. Most people seem to remember Rogers dominating Fedor for a bit but I think it was only the shock of Fedor not instantly KOing him since Fedor had just finished Sylvia and Arlovski in less than 5 minutes total (and they were both top 5 at the time while Rogers had just gotten into the top 10 by finishing Arlovski very quickly).
 
dildos said:
right well dan hardy and serra are better than cote, lutter, leites, and okami. so thats nearly half of andersons defences.

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No they aren't, especially considering Serra. And he actually finished GSP.
 
Sensei Student said:
There was an article/research that says a person's physical peaks at age 30. Even though he didn't start fighting until 30, he has been competing at the highest physical level since forever. I think it's also safe to say he didn't do any striking until late 20s, all past his physical prime. Imagine if he fought earlier. He'd dominate everyone.
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perhaps but he also likely wouldn't be as good as he is at age 40 if he had started accumulating fight damage in his early 20s.
 
Cooliox said:
Idiotic post

GSP is the first WADA tested fighter in MMA history. He went through with it even after Hendricks, who instigated it, pulled out. GSP paid for it out of his own pocket, after Dana called WADA testing in MMA stupid.

The fight was a coin-toss and it was the only coin-toss of GSP's career. Outside of the 2 losses which GSP avenged in style, he wasn't really tested elsewhere.

GSP proved himself once more by returning in the USADA era, to fight Bisping for the MW championship. GSP refused the shortcut which the UFC gave Lesnar, and instead GSP opted to be in the pool and tested 6 months before fighting... again, GSP did this to prove a point.

Even after all this, you nut jobs still find a way to weave in your false narrative. Such is the petty state of your angry existence. Unfortunately, Facts will remain facts, regardless of the hate.
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Actually he did vada, which is as sketchy an org as they come. Posts none of their results and doesnt have much credibility.

What Hendricks and the nsac wanted to use was a salt lake city wada accredited lab. Which did not happen and under sketchy circumstances

Dim has gone in on vada more than a few times.

i love gsp and hes top 1-3 greatest fighters ever in the sport, but that whole situation was undeniably sketchy.

Its one of those things people have their rose colored glasses on about tho

But ultimately it doesnt matter. Everyone was on the juice. Its silly to pretend otherwise
 
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Mixfight said:
Jon Juice Jones doesnt have as much mileage because he took 3.5 years off when he was suspended for steroids. His problem isnt age, its the fact that hes an unimpressive fighter without steroids. He can still coast for a bit but his time is coming. Sooner or later hes going to catch a beating.
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His body still looks just as ripped as ever

Lol

Normally fighters that come off the juice or trt have some significant difference in their physique.

Jones has consistently looked the same throughout.

Lets assume hes been using throughout his career(like most high level athletes)

What makes you think he cant still continue to use? Hes a multi millionaire with connections, his brothers are elite NFL football players.

Usada doeant mean shit. The highest level guys can always find a way around it without much effort. Watch Icarus. Listen to GSPs interview on Rogans podcast, he basically said its still incredibly easy to bypass the testing.


What i think is that Jones is still doing the same shit he always has, nothing has changed and his physique confirms that.

But hes older, hes not quite as fast or explosive at 32 and having competed at a high level for over a decade. Reyes is at the peak of his physical prowess, speed, reflexes, technical ability

And jones is getting to the point where that youth is actually becoming a factor against him


This is the logical conclusion

Find me an athlete whos been competing at a high level for 12 years and is still performing at their peak level. Ill wait

You are too blinded by hate to see whats obvious

And for the record, if achieving greatness in a sport was that easy by juicing , everyone could do it. There is only one Jon jones
 
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If you look at jones during press conferenced even compared to a few years ago

He looks much older

At least on the surface, he looks to have aged a lot in the last 2 years.

Yet nobody is factoring that into the equation as to why hes slowing down

Delusional hatred
 
GrayArea said:
And despite all this, GSP still ducked Anderson like the plague during their concurrent prime/title reign.

odd how your hero never shared the same confidence in victory as you did.

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GSP didn’t want to give that bum Anderson a pay day. Wasting his time on that fraud wasn’t worth it

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Do keep in mind that in spite of his age, Fedor at 6`0 (183cm) was very small for a heavyweight and depended a lot on his speed for his power. Jones is an incredible physical specimen, bigger than his opponents, and his decline will not be as sharp.
 
PEDS Help me Post said:
He also didn't start fighting until he was around 30 years old.
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athletic prime is athletic prime.. but he didn't have to deal with a declining level of skill or reflexes to adjust to. so .. maybe that matters.

Jones might haver overlooked his last few opponents. He hasn't been in that many wars and some fighters can be in their prime or close to prime sometimes until 34-35.
 
nevernamed said:
athletic prime is athletic prime.. but he didn't have to deal with a declining level of skill or reflexes to adjust to. so .. maybe that matters.

Jones might haver overlooked his last few opponents. He hasn't been in that many wars and some fighters can be in their prime or close to prime sometimes until 34-35.
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There's also a difference between potential athletic prime (the age where you'd be at your best if you'd trained all your life) and actual potential athletic prime (the age where you are at your actual best).

For instance, someone who doesn't do any exercise or sport for the first 35 years of his life (and so is say 100 pounds overweight, has no skilles etc), but then starts training seriously, will probably hit their actual athletic prime at about age 40. But their potential athletic prime at birth would have been about 25-30 (ie if they'd done everything right that'd have been their prime).

And wear and tear (in MMA mainly from training, not from the actual fights) is huge in any contact sport. Some of the greatest athletes in history (Sandy Koufax in baseball, Bobby Orr in hockey, Jim Brown in football) were done by age 30 because of wear and tear (ie accumlated injuries). Ten years in high level play is very hard on the body. Its why only 10% of NBA MVP's are won by players over the age of 30. Think about it, some of the best athletes in the world, but by age 30 they've fallen off too much to win an MVP again.
 
Fedor slowed down at 33. He has started to slow down earlier than 33.
 
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