Fedor is BY FAR the Longest Reigning Consensus #1 Ranked HW

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Wow. Neat trick. Cherry pick his lesser known opponents and ignore his big wins. I almost didn't catch that.

1)Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: Ranked: #1. (Won the Pride heavyweight title).
2)Mark Hunt: Ranked #7. (3rd of 3 Pride title defenses).
3)Mirko CroCop: Ranked: #4. (2nd of 3 Pride title defenses).
4)Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: ranked #2 (1st of 3 Pride title defenses.
5)Brett Rogers: Ranked #6.
6)Tim Sylvia: rankd #4.
7)Andrei Arlovski: ranked #2.

He won all 7 of those title fights without tasting defeat. You can't say it takes away from his legacy to have additionally beaten some lesser fighters during that time.

Included right in the OP (which they like to ignore)...

10 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span​

 

[fatlipjesus]

GSP = Most Top 5 Wins --- Hendo = Most Top 10 Wins

GSP's Record vs Ranked Opponents:
(and all losses and draws)

Did you really just quote yourself as a source? LOL

GSP has 27 fights.

Ivan Menjivar, Justin Bruckman, Travis Galbraith, Thomas Denny, Pete Spratt, Karo Parisyan, Jay Hieron, Dave Strasser, Jason Miller, Matt Serra, , Nick Diaz, BJ Penn 2nd fight.

There's 12 non-top 5 opponents right there. Im sure there's more if i actually looked at some of the guys who were borderline.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

People still care? Jesus let it go already he has not had a relevant win since 1986 and he magically got "old" at the young age of 33.

The topic wasn't really about "him"...
Original thread/topic:
The Reign of every CONSENSUS #1 HW -- from Mark Kerr to Stipe Miocic

This thread with his name in the title was in reply to some hater thread. The haters cant get over it, is whats really going on. The rest of us are MMA fans who appreciate greatness.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Did you really just quote yourself as a source? LOL

GSP has 27 fights.

Ivan Menjivar, Justin Bruckman, Travis Galbraith, Thomas Denny, Pete Spratt, Karo Parisyan, Jay Hieron, Dave Strasser, Jason Miller, Matt Serra, , Nick Diaz, BJ Penn 2nd fight.

There's 12 non-top 5 opponents right there. Im sure there's more if i actually looked at some of the guys who were borderline.

That's only 8.
27 fights -- 25 wins -- 25-8=17

Yeah I quoted myself, did you visit the thread?
I cite every source to the Rankings listed... what's the problem?

 

[Rovert]

Will anyone ever beat that?


Historic look at every Consensus #1 Heavyweight in the world and their reign; based on MMA Rankings complied dating back to the late 1990s. Before Mark Kerr, there weren't many Ranking Org, nor was there a "consensus" until around December of 1998.

The write-ups included are from the Rankings Orgs at the time (from that month) the fighter took over the Consensus #1 Ranking.

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Mark Kerr -- 0 years, 11 months

HW - 1998 - Dec 5? - Domingo's NHB Rankings
1. Mark Kerr - Mark Kerr is possibly the most destructive force in NHB fighting today. He is/was an Olympic caliber wrestler (he tied with Coleman in '92), plus he has adapted well with various submissions, strikes, and positions from BJJ as well as Muay Thai. Kerr's wins of note came over: Paul Varelans, Maestre Hulk, Fabio Gurgel, Dan Bobish and Duane Cason. Kerr defeated Branko Cikatic via disqualification at Pride-2, "The" Pedro at Pride-3, and Hugo Duarte at Pride-4. Kerr is the most active top tier fighter in the biz right now, and his competition has been good for the most part. The current rumor mill has him facing Vovchanchin at Pride-5.

0 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Igor Vovchanchyn -- 0 years, 7 months*

HW - 1999 - OCT/NOV - Black Belt Magazine/Stephen Quadros (published Jan 2000)
1. Igor Vovchanchin (Ukrain) -- He out-gunned former top dog Mark Kerr to achieve a controversial "no contest." he earned a split decision over Carlos Barreto, beat up Akira Shoji and defeated Gary Goodridge with a technical knockout. He owns the best record in the over-200-pounds category and is the winner of five eight-man NHB tournaments. At 5 feet 6 inches and 235 pounds, he is a small guy with a big punch.

1 to 3 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span*

*Igor was intermittently #1 during Coleman's subsequent reign

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Mark Coleman -- 1 year, 5 months

HW - 2000 - MAY^ - Sav's NHB-Chris Savarese
1.Mark Coleman: The "Hammer" is back w/ a brand new attitude. The former UFC Champ wins the prestigeous Pride GP 2000 to get back in the top 5. Handled Morais,Shoji and the always tough Igor V. with ease. Has many good wins in his career. Also has beaten Frye and Severn.

1 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Minotauro Nogueira -- 1 year, 6 months

HW - 2001 - OCT (13?) - MMA Media
1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira (137)
[no cool write-up, but here are the...] Voters in this month's poll: Aaron Crecy (USA) Full Contact Fighter, Tom Gerbasi (USA) www.Maxfighting.com, Ryan Graham (USA) Freelance MMA writer, Josh Gross (USA) Full Contact Fighter Magazine, Hidetake "Shimauo" Hirashima (JAPAN) Shooto World Network www.shooto.net/en.htm, Hideto Ida (JAPAN) www.Boutreview.com, Yoshinori Ihara (JAPAN) www.Boutreview.com, Anthony Lynch (USA) www.freestylefights.com, Garrett Poe (USA) www.sherdog.com, Marcel Remkhelawan (Holland) De Aktuel Magazine, Jake Rossen (USA) Freelance MMA Writer, Sean Shelby (USA) www.grapplersworld.com, Jeff Sherwood (USA) www.sherdog.com,Russell Taylor (CANADA) www.fightcenter.com, Jeff Thaler (USA) Freelance MMA writer

3 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Fedor Emelianenko -- 7 years, 3 months

HW - 2003 - APR - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
1. Emelianeko Fedor - 108 Points - (11 first place votes) ...
Voters include:
Fighters - Josh Barnett, Steve Berger, Chris Brennan,Yves Edwards, Dan Henderson, Matt Lindland, Duane Ludwig, Nathan Marquardt, Pat Miletich, Sean Sherk,Pete Spratt, Evan Tanner, Din Thomas;
Broadcasters - Jeff Osborne (Hook N Shoot and UFC); Ryan Bennett (UFC, IFC and WEC), Monte Cox (Extreme Challenge), J.T. McCarthy (UCC), Joe Ferraro (UCC), Joel Goulet, Jeff Marek - Mojo Radio.

10 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Brock Lesnar -- 0 years, 4 months

HW - 2010 - Jul 6 - L.A. Times MMA/Todd Martin
1. Brock Lesnar - It was a chaotic month for heavyweight MMA, highlighted by the surprising submission defeat of the great Fedor Emelianenko and a wild UFC title fight between Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin. Lesnar now reigns as the heavyweight division's best. Velasquez and Dos Santos will be the next challengers for the UFC heavyweight title. Werdum skyrockets up the rankings but Fedor may have the chance to redeem himself and avenge that loss.

1 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Cain Velasquez -- 1 year, 1 month (1st stint)

HW - 2010 - Oct 29 - Bloody Elbow-USAToday Consensus
1. Cain Velasquez - 98 (UFC)
Obviously the epic news this month is the rise of #1 Cain Velasquez after his demolition of #2 Brock Lesnar at UFC 121. He'll defend his title against #5 Junior dos Santos in early 2011.

1 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Junior Cigano -- 1 year, 1 month

HW - 2011 - Nov 22 - Sherdog
1. JUNIOR DOS SANTOS (14-1) Despite suffering a serious knee injury only 11 days prior, dos Santos did on Nov. 12 what no heavyweight before him could: stop Cain Velasquez. Now perched atop the ranks as the MMA world's best big man, "Cigano" may undergo surgery before defending his UFC title against the winner of Dec. 30's Brock Lesnar-Alistair Overeem clash.

2 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Cain Velasquez -- 2 years, 6 months (2nd stint; 3 yrs, 7 mos)

HW - 2013 - Jan 15 - ESPN
1. Cain Velasquez - It was a hard paddle back to face JDS, and this time he wasn't going to squander anything. Velasquez looked as good as he ever has. The question now is: Can he be the dominant heavyweight champion that sustains?

3 Wins vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Fabricio Werdum -- 0 years, 11 months

HW - 2015 - Jun 16 - MMA Junkie/USAToday
1. Fabricio Werdum - Fabricio Werdum looked downright fantastic in his UFC 188 win over Cain Velasquez. As the man who also beat Fedor Emelianenko, is Werdum the greatest heavyweight of all time?

1 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span

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Stipe Miocic -- 0 years, 3 months...

HW - 2016 - May 15 - Sherdog

1. Stipe Miocic (15-2) -It has been 52 years since the city of Cleveland had any kind of major sports championship, but in front of 45,000 Brazilian fans in Curitiba, Miocic snapped that streak by taking Fabricio Werdum’s UFC heavyweight championship with a beautiful right hook. The Strong Style Fight Team product is now staring down the barrel of challenges from the likes of Cain Velasquez, Travis Browne and Alistair Overeem in his first potential title defense.

1 Win vs Top 10 Ranked Opponents (HW+) in that span



note: Before Mark Kerr there was no real "consensus" as to who was #1; based on the archived rankings I've gathered.

Great Post but there is no way Mark Coleman was not considered the +1 HW after beating Dan Severn , which would make him the first real HW champ .

 

[Rovert]

Here's a list of some of the incredible opponents Fedor faced throughout his illustrious career:

Martin Lazarov

Levon Laglivava

Hiroya Takada

Tsuyohsi Kosaka

Mihail Apostolov

Kerry Schall

Ryushi Yanagisawa

Lee Hasdell

Chris Haseman

Egidijus Valavicius

Kazuyuki Fujita

Gary Goodridge

Yuji Nagata

Naoya Ogawa

Zulu

Hong Man Choi

Brett Rogers

Jeff Monson

Satoshi Ishii

Pedro Rizzo

Jaideep Singh

Still the best HW ever so far , but people forget MMA was like this back then guys fought lesser competition all the time , was not till 2006-08 where guys would only face legit competition , go back further Coleman beat Karate guys that didn't even know what a takedown was.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Great Post but there is no way Mark Coleman was not considered the +1 HW after beating Dan Severn , which would make him the first real HW champ .

Didn't somebody have a list of top ten wins for fighters.

 

[HHJ]

Fedor is the best ever,the best looking,fighting bears,knocking out walruses,and impossible to defeat in his long and glorious and never truly ending reign in the hearts of his fans. He turns waters into wine and then walks on it,and saved the universe half a dozen times in between title defenses.

 

[Rovert]

Didn't somebody have a list of top ten wins for fighters.

IDK thats kind of a weird thing anyway there is still only a handful of guys with a bunch of top 10 wins.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Great Post but there is no way Mark Coleman was not considered the +1 HW after beating Dan Severn , which would make him the first real HW champ .

Retroactively, I'd agree.

But this is based on the archived MMA Rankings published/found on the internet (at the time) -- every Ranking Org that I based this "Consensus" on are clickable, verifiable sources. And back then there just were no Ranking Orgs... not based on my research anyway (WayBackMachine - internet archive database)

The earliest Rankings I found were from August 1997, after Coleman lost to Mo Smith.
ScorecardMMA and FightMatrix feature retro-active Rankings, and they both have Coloeman #1.

 

[TheNinja]

Fedor is and was the HW GOAT. There really is no questioning it.

GSP is WW GOAT
Anderson is MW GOAT
Aldo is FW GOAT
Cruz is BW GOAT

Everything else is up for debate IMO
LW - BJ, Gomi
LHW - Bones, Shogun, Chuck, Wandy

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Fedor is BY FAR the biggest sack of hot-air in the MMA world.

- Never fights in the UFC.
- Says he wants to fight only the best, but fights in another rigged Japanese organization.
- Gets his ass kicked by Strikeforce fighters, whom are in the UFC currently.
- Got his ass beat by a one dimensional middleweight with fake teeth.
- Does PEDs.

Can we talk about the real GOAT for once? Mighty Mouse butt-fucked his whole division and is basically Jesus with peanut butter on his toes.

The UFC? At that time??

Context, kid.

 

[fatlipjesus]

People still care? Jesus let it go already he has not had a relevant win since 1986 and he magically got "old" at the young age of 33.

No relevant wins since 1986?

That's UFC instant title shot worthy right there then.

 

[fatlipjesus]

That's only 8.
27 fights -- 25 wins -- 25-8=17

Yeah I quoted myself, did you visit the thread?
I cite every source to the Rankings listed... what's the problem?

So when 5 publications have someone at #8, but one of them has them at #4, you just include them anyway? Despite them obviously not being a consensus #5?

and LOL @ Nick Diaz being a top 5 WW? For what? Beating BJ Penn? or Paul Daley? lol

BJ Penn was not ranked at WW in the 2nd fight, he was a LW.

Karo was listed as #10,#10,#9,#8,#4 and you still included him. Along with a bunch of others.

This is a cherry-picked list. You have sources such as "Fan Votes" and "Stephen Quadros Top 10" listed as sources. lol

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

1) So when 5 publications have someone at #8, but one of them has them at #4, you just include them anyway? Despite them obviously not being a consensus #5?

2) and LOL @ Nick Diaz being a top 5 WW? For what? Beating BJ Penn? or Paul Daley? lol

3) BJ Penn was not ranked at WW in the 2nd fight, he was a LW.

4) Karo was listed as #10,#10,#9,#8,#4 and you still included him. Along with a bunch of others.

5) This is a cherry-picked list. You have sources such as "Fan Votes" and "Stephen Quadros Top 10" listed as sources. lol

1) Yeah (see #4)

2) You want Consensus, Nick Diaz ranked top 5 by Sherdog, MMA Junkie, ESPN, Globo, MMA Torch (and top 15 P4P)

3) BJ Penn, the 2nd fight (LW), is NOT counted; that's why I didn't cross him out like the others that you had wrong

4) Repeating #1 from above... Yeah. Randy Couture, for example, was never Consensus #1 HW in the world, so he doesn't make this thread... but Randy was Ranked #1 HW by some Ranking Orgs at some point in his career here and there. He still gets that credit, so to speak.

5) Cherry-picking would imply nefarious, intentional deceptiveness or something. All this is, is what I gathered from the Internet Archive database -- particularly the Ranking Org sources from the early days. Jeff Sherwood was "just a fan" when he created Sherdog.com. Stephen Quadros was one of the earliest published MMA media member, he wrote a colmn for Black Belt Magazine staring back in 1999. But go ahead and pooh-pooh the Ranking Orgs, just know that no fighter gets any special treatment, no "cherry-picking."

 

[BreadnButter]

Fedor is the best ever,the best looking,fighting bears,knocking out walruses,and impossible to defeat in his long and glorious and never truly ending reign in the hearts of his fans. He turns waters into wine and then walks on it,and saved the universe half a dozen times in between title defenses.

Fedor bless

 

[Rovert]

 

[Braincellocide]

Fedor is not just THE GOAT, he's the alpha and omega of MMA. Haters can suck a lolllypop.

 

[KingKali]

GOAT...ask any fighter

 

[Ever Watchful]

Sure, it's pretty possible.