Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[Diamondsareforever47]

It’s all opinionated but a lot of peopke have Nog & CroCop both in their top 5 (and sometimes top 10) heavyweights of all time.

The fact fighters like Arlovski, Nog, Overeem, Barnett, Werdum, Hunt, Mir stay around as long as they when the newer generation came in shows just how great they were tbh.

You need to be objective. Nog was a poor wrestler and shitty striker. Please take your fanboy love away and look at the stats and the men who beat him and the cans he finisjed with strikes. Also look how much brain damage and many cuts and bloodied his face would get fighting any decent striker.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I still consider Fedor one of the GOAT and think he’s still in the argument for #1

One of the crappy things about Fedor never fighting in the current top organization means his history is getting kind of swept under the rug as time passes by. If you’d ask a fan who started watch in like 2012 for example what their opinion of Fedor is they’d probably not even consider him in the conversation for HW GOAT and GOAT in general. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people who started watching in the last 10 years don’t even know who he is or just know of him due to Bellator

You rarely see Fedor mentioned as much by fighters too. Think tons of people still hold him in high regard but are less and less vocal about him. When Stipe started racking up title defenses lot of people were talking about him being HW GOAT and I don’t recall really any non-Russian UFC fighters bringing up Fedor which also means in the media he’s less brought up as well

I and many others watched Fedor well before 2012. We just are objective

 

[OneOfOne]

You need to be objective. Nog was a poor wrestler and shitty striker. Please take your fanboy love away and look at the stats and the men who beat him and the cans he finisjed with strikes. Also look how much brain damage and many cuts and bloodied his face would get fighting any decent striker.

Im pretty sure I saw Nogueira stand with Sergei, wrestle with Josh Barnett, and fight in the clinch with Randy Couture. He held his own with all of those guys.

I could see a prime Nog standing with guys like Travis Browne and Big Silva and coming out on top. He could compete with Werdum & Stipe in all areas of the fight. He could easily takedown guys like Lewis and Gane and beat them on the ground. Its really the guys like Cain, Cormier, JDS he would struggle with.

 

[OneOfOne]

2003-2008 Fedor buries Lewis 99/100

I see Prime Fedor hitting Lewis with a 2 or 3 punch flurry, transitioning to the clinch, throwing him on the ground, and hitting him with some ground n pound before Lewis even knows what happened.

Thats what made Fedor such a great fighter. He could chain everything together extremely fast and effortlessly. He could go from strike to clinch, back to strikes, back to clinch, into a takedown, into top control, let off some ground n pound, back to his feet, back into the clinch lol. Lewis can't handle all that.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Im pretty sure I saw Nogueira stand with Sergei, wrestle with Josh Barnett, and fight in the clinch with Randy Couture. He held his own with all of those guys.

I could see a prime Nog standing with guys like Travis Browne and Big Silva and coming out on top. He could compete with Werdum & Stipe in all areas of the fight. He could easily takedown guys like Lewis and Gane and beat them on the ground. Its really the guys like Cain, Cormier, JDS he would struggle with.

This prime stuff is such a cope and excuse in the case of Nog.

Sergei he won not due to stand up

Barnett it was his BJJ

Couture is a tiny HW more akin to a LHW

Yeah when he faced a prime Werdum who was 1 year younger he got submitted....

 

[OneOfOne]

This prime stuff is such a cope and excuse in the case of Nog.

Sergei he won not due to stand up

Barnett it was his BJJ

Couture is a tiny HW more akin to a LHW

Yeah when he faced a prime Werdum who was 1 year younger he got submitted....

Fighters don't have primes now? Nog wasn't a shell of himself against Werdum? Nog didn't handle Barnett's wrestling? He didn't stand up with Sergei for the majority of the fight? Couture didn't make a ccareerout of beating bigger guys in the clinch?

Ok.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Incredible career and the best ever

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Fighters don't have primes now? Nog wasn't a shell of himself against Werdum? Nog didn't handle Barnett's wrestling? He didn't stand up with Sergei for the majority of the fight? Couture didn't make a ccareerout of beating bigger guys in the clinch?

Ok.

You are just in denial man. Werdum was not in his prime, only 1 year younger. Number of injuries, person family tradegies

the reality is the alledged greatest BJJ HW ever was submitted by Frank Mir and Werdum and Werdum is so superior at BJJ he also managed to Submit Cain and FEDOR!

 

[OneOfOne]

You are just in denial man. Werdum was not in his prime, only 1 year younger. Number of injuries, person family tradegies

the reality is the alledged greatest BJJ HW ever was submitted by Frank Mir and Werdum and Werdum is so superior at BJJ he also managed to Submit Cain and FEDOR!

Its really not debatable whether or not Nog was a shell of himself. Its literally undeniable yet here you are lol. These are fanboy takes.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Its really not debatable whether or not Nog was a shell of himself. Its literally undeniable yet here you are lol. These are fanboy takes.

Nog fanatics are some of the most delusional of the MMA fan base.

Literally they go blind when watching Nog fight and have delusions of grandeur about his mythical ''elite boxing'' and ''elite wrestling''.

If Nog never fought Fedor you would not see this level of worship of Nog. Most Nog worshippers are Fedor fanatical fans who NEED to overrate Nog's ability because that is 1 of Fedor's top 5 wins let alone top 3 to most people. I know this because I have been a MMA fan for 2 decades and was a Fedor superfan since 2008 and did not want to admit any HW could ever beat him until 2018 I admitted reality. Part of my old fan boying was to overrate Nog's skill in particular and that of a 225lb Cro Cop and 230lb Randleman and 230ish lb Mark Coleman.

 

[OneOfOne]

Nog fanatics are some of the most delusional of the MMA fan base.

Literally they go blind when watching Nog fight and have delusions of grandeur about his mythical ''elite boxing'' and ''elite wrestling''.

Yeah you're just making things up now. This is what I said:

Nog, at his best, had pretty decent striking, good wrestling, great submissions, and the best chin & heart in the game.

I also acknowledged Nog would have a problem against prime versions of Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Ngannou. You're just so desperate to bash older fighters that ypu have to make things up.

If Nog never fought Fedor you would not see this level of worship of Nog. Most Nog worshippers are Fedor fanatical fans who NEED to overrate Nog's ability because that is 1 of Fedor's top 5 wins let alone top 3 to most people. I know this because I have been a MMA fan for 2 decades and was a Fedor superfan since 2008 and did not want to admit any HW could ever beat him until 2018 I admitted reality. Part of my old fan boying was to overrate Nog's skill in particular and that of a 225lb Cro Cop and 230lb Randleman and 230ish lb Mark Coleman.

You're over here pretending primes don't exist and 2015 Nog is the same as 2008 Nog. You're pretending Nog wasn't a zombie by that point. Like... what is wrong with you? Why propagate such ridiculous arguments? Its so much easier to just give guys their props and acknowledge clearly obvious things.

The reason Nog is held in such high regard is because of his dominant record and ridiculous win list.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Yeah you're just making things up now. This is what I said:



I also acknowledged Nog would have a problem against prime versions of Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Ngannou. You're just so desperate to bash older fighters that ypu have to make things up.



You're over here pretending primes don't exist and 2015 Nog is the same as 2008 Nog. You're pretending Nog wasn't a zombie by that point. Like... what is wrong with you? Why propagate such ridiculous arguments? Its so much easier to just give guys their props and acknowledge clearly obvious things.

The reason Nog is held in such high regard is because of his dominant record and ridiculous win list.

I do not bash older fighters I am realistic. That is what the vast majority of Fedor fans here are incapable (just like Bj Penn fans) and many of them resort to name calling, insults and end up getting banned on or Dubs. I mean everytime I or others do note the 20 smaller fighter or cans Fedor beat we get bashed, and people sending rude private messages saying '''you are scum, die, you are a noob, you are a fat loser''' stuff like that.

It is like Fedor worship or worship of Pride fighters is their God or became part of their identity. Truly perplexing how only questioning some legendary Pride fighters elicits such a negative and powerful response to the point of insults and threats. I never notice this with Izzy, GSP, Anderson fans. In fact Anderson gets called Canderson, Izzy gets called names about his chest, GSP called Safe Pierre and yet these fan bases and the Aldo fan base are not as fanatic.

I list Fedor a top 5 HW of all time and best in terms of overall well rounded skillset

I list Ubereem as one of the most lethal albeit short run HW's and one of the most talented

I am a huge Werdum fan and rank him above Fedor, Cain, and many others and only put Stipe and Ngannou above him

I am a GSP fan

I am a Shogun fan

Look at my post history before you claim I am a new breed fan or do not appreciate older fighters.

 

[BFoe]

Matt Mitrione can knock out Fedor with a jab, but Lewis can't?

No one has knocked Fedor out with a jab.

But to your trollish and stupid question: yes, Fedor’s chin is awful and Lewis could send him into orbit if he connected. Any HW *could* given Fedor’s glass chin these days.
I think current Lewis is far too slow, sloppy, and chinny to do it.
This is how fight predictions work.

Nog fanatics are some of the most delusional of the MMA fan base.

Literally they go blind when watching Nog fight and have delusions of grandeur about his mythical ''elite boxing'' and ''elite wrestling''.

If Nog never fought Fedor you would not see this level of worship of Nog. Most Nog worshippers are Fedor fanatical fans who NEED to overrate Nog's ability because that is 1 of Fedor's top 5 wins let alone top 3 to most people. I know this because I have been a MMA fan for 2 decades and was a Fedor superfan since 2008 and did not want to admit any HW could ever beat him until 2018 I admitted reality. Part of my old fan boying was to overrate Nog's skill in particular and that of a 225lb Cro Cop and 230lb Randleman and 230ish lb Mark Coleman.

Not true at all. Nog was the consensus #1 HW in the world before he fought Fedor, he didn’t “need” to fight Fedor to be remembered in MMA history. Nog’s resume is absolutely insane, and while I have him #3 HW all time behind Stipe, as the years go by Stipe’s resume just doesn’t look/age that well to me.

I saw your Top 10 HW all time list, and it was a pretty good list. I don’t rank based on my perceptions of skill, or whom I imagine would win fantasy fights—I rank based on resume and accomplishments. So for me, Arlovski is in my top 10. Ngannou is not.

 

[Robbocop]

Why should I care what these two jabronis have to say for over an hour

 

[BFoe]

Why should I care what these two jabronis have to say for over an hour

Lol I felt the same way, but by and large it was a pretty good resume review. You can really tell that BC wasn’t around for the earlier Fedor fights, but it was a good recap/walk down memory lane.

 

[OneOfOne]

Not true at all. Nog was the consensus #1 HW in the world before he fought Fedor, he didn’t “need” to fight Fedor to be remembered in MMA history. Nog’s resume is absolutely insane, and while I have him #3 HW all time begins Stipe, as the years go by Stipe’s resume just doesn’t look/age that well to me.

I saw your Top 10 HW all time list, and it was a pretty good list. I don’t rank based on my perceptions of skill, or whom I imagine would win fantasy fights—I rank based on resume and accomplishments. So for me, Arlovski is in my top 10. Ngannou is not.

i also rank guys based heavily on their resumes in which case its really hard to leave Nog outside of the top 3. But if I were going to rank guys based on my perception of their skill level at their best it would look something like this:

Tier 1(no particular order)
Fedor, Cain, JDS, Cormier, Ubereem

Tier 2
Nog, Werdum, Stipe, Barnett, CC, Couture, Ngannou

Tier 3
Arlovski, Sylvia, Brock, Mir, Sergei,

Tier 4
Hunt, Bigfoot, Roy, Rothwell, Lewis, Browne

 

[BFoe]

i also rank guys based heavily on their resumes in which case its really hard to leave Nog outside of the top 3. But if I were going to rank guys based on my perception of their skill level at their best it would look something like this:

Tier 1(no particular order)
Fedor, Cain, JDS, Cormier, Ubereem

Tier 2
Nog, Werdum, Stipe, Barnett, CC, Couture, Ngannou

Tier 3
Arlovski, Sylvia, Brock, Mir, Sergei,

Tier 4
Hunt, Bigfoot, Roy, Rothwell, Lewis, Browne

I can see where you’re coming from on that. It’s hard for me to give feedback on that, as I just don’t think/rank that way. It’s easy to say, “oh, Ngannou is a big, strong muscular fucker, good athlete, crazy KO power—so I’ll put him a tier above Arlovski.” But Arlovski has a better body of work at HW. I think ranking fighters by their overall body of work in the division makes the most sense (and it sounds like you normally rank that way too).

 

[BFoe]

Can you come into a thread and say some dumb shit?

Yes I can and yes I did

 

[deadshot138]

I’d say top 2. It’s Fedor and GSP at the top, either order is acceptable.

Can a GOAT lose to Matt Serra?

 

[BFoe]

Can a GOAT lose to Matt Serra?

Sure. And that’s why it’s important to rank by overall bodies of work. It’s always possible to have a bad night, bad camp, be injured, have a bad style matchup, etc. ranking by overall resume and accomplishments offsets that.