Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[Histalian]

Won against 5 decent guys and the rest were cans and Japanese pro wrestlers. Na I’ll take GSP and Bones any day as the GOAT.

 

[ermac88]

3 enhanced athletes and an nfl player. He'd sleep them all under the right circumstances.

I dont understand this.

Given the right circumstances Ronda could have beat Cain Valesquez.

Were the right circumstances in Pride? Unsanctioned fights, where steroids were openly encouraged ?

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

You need to be objective. Nog was a poor wrestler and shitty striker. Please take your fanboy love away and look at the stats and the men who beat him and the cans he finisjed with strikes. Also look how much brain damage and many cuts and bloodied his face would get fighting any decent striker.

You be objective and give him props for his toughness then. You’d think Nog stoke your boyfriend with those agenda driven comments.

 

[BFoe]

This prime stuff is such a cope and excuse in the case of Nog.

Sergei he won not due to stand up

Barnett it was his BJJ

Couture is a tiny HW more akin to a LHW

Yeah when he faced a prime Werdum who was 1 year younger he got submitted....

Not the first time they fought, he didn’t. Nog and Werdum are 1-1 against one another.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

You be objective and give him props for his toughness then. You’d think Nog stoke your boyfriend with those agenda driven comments.

It is reality. He has lifelong life threatening damage from all the beatings he took because his way of blocking punches was with his face.

Not the first time they fought, he didn’t. Nog and Werdum are 1-1 against one another.

being finished and dominated vs winning a decision...

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Ok, lets take a look at Stipe's best wins.

Mark Hunt - 41yrs old. MMA Record of 10-10. Fedor beat a younger, superior version of this same fighter 9yrs earlier.

Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old. 7 losses by KO. A younger, superior version of himself had already been ko'd by lol Tim years earlier.

Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old. Lost to 1 dimensional Nog years earlier.

JDS - Post-Cain beatings and Overeem KO. Decent version of himself but noticeably declined.

Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old. Non-Uber. 11 KO losses on his record. People forget that Overeem fought in the same era and same org as Nog, Fedor, and CC. He was ko'd by nearly everyone he fought including Nog's little brother. He also lost to fighters Nog beat.

Francis Ngannou - Still green but still a great win for Stipe.

Daniel Cormier 2&3 - 40/41yrs old. Post back surgery. Noticably declined. Immediately retired afterward.

If were going to be completely fair to Stipe you could say he has a solid resume with a good number of respectable, quality wins. But its also true that he never...not once...beat a good fighter in their prime. That's a pretty damning and sobering fact for the pro-Stipe guys which is why they won't acknowledge it.

Furthermore most of the quality wins Stipe does have were beaten years earlier by the same guys you consider unskilled and unimpressive. "Lol Tim" was actually a skilled and very dangerous striker in his prime. He could definitely compete with most of the guys from Stipe's era considering most of them were from his own era anyway. To say Tim was an inferior striker to guys like Derrick Lewis and Tuvasa is just a plain bad take. Nog, at his best, had pretty decent striking, good wrestling, great submissions, and the best chin & heart in the game. He too could have held his own against the old guys Stipe fought. Of course he would struggle against prime Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Ngannou but then again so did Stipe.

Stipe never lost to a MW who weighed 200lbs

Stipe beat Werdum who submitted Fedor

Stipe beat more athletic big men than Fedor

Stipe defended the belt in the premier most stacked organization for MMA ever

Stipe never lost to Big Foot or other LHWs like Ryan Bader nor did he win a gift win over Maldonado

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Can a GOAT lose to Matt Serra?

I do think that shows you as well that matches like Fujita and Randleman are import to Fedor's legacy not just based on the standard of opponent but because they were fights were lighting struck, were an inspired moment threatened the champ but he still found a way to come back and win.

 

[Apect15]

Stipe never lost to a MW who weighed 200lbs

Stipe beat Werdum who submitted Fedor

Stipe beat more athletic big men than Fedor

Stipe defended the belt in the premier most stacked organization for MMA ever

Stipe never lost to Big Foot or other LHWs like Ryan Bader nor did he win a gift win over Maldonado

Agree Stipe is heavyweight goat I don't understand why Fedor fans are so upset

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Agree Stipe is heavyweight goat I don't understand why Fedor fans are so upset

Well the guy literally spent time to bash some of Stipes wins like Hunt

Dude Hunt is one of Fedor's top 10 HW wins.... And at least Stipe and Werdum KO'd Hunt where as Fedor had to takedown an ever more green Hunt and submit him. Also Stipe's loss to Struve looks bad but at least Struve is a legit HW who was what 265lbs and 7'0 tall?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Something that doesnt get mentioned enough for me as well is just how dominant Fedor was during his run, between the Arona and Werdum fights he's not only undefeated but by modern UFC standards he does not drop a single round.

Even if you divide Pride 10 min first rounds in half he still doesnt lose a single one.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

Can a GOAT lose to Matt Serra?

He avenged it at least and showed it was a fluke.

Anderson lost to legit cans which is why he is disqualified from GOAT status because he lost 3x to cans.... and never avenged the losses and was finished by cans. People need to realize what GOAT stands for

GREATEST OF ALL TIME

We really water down what it means to be the greatest EVER if you can somehow lose to a can let alone several times....

 

[BFoe]

being finished and dominated vs winning a decision...

What does that have to do with anything? It’s very flawed to try and compare fighters based on common opponents, or how certain methods of victory went.

For example, Fedor right now openly says he is less than half of what he used to be, and has trouble beating Valentin Moldavsky in sparring. Yet they both fought Tim Johnson in back to back fights; Moldavsky had a hard, 5 round decision win whereas Fedor sent Johnson to the shadow realm in under 2 minutes.

It means nothing—and look at how you find ways to twist your own criteria:

at least Stipe and Werdum KO'd Hunt where as Fedor had to takedown an ever more green Hunt and submit him.

Shouldn’t you be pointing out how Stipe went to war with Hunt and didn’t finish him until rd 5, whereas Fedor finished him in rd 1 (was 8 min 16 seconds, so would technically be rd 2 under unified rules). But Fedor gets no credit for that— for you, even though Stipe fought Hunt a whole decade after Fedor did, and Fedor finished him much faster, you find a way to manipulate your criteria.

You call yourself a realistic fan, but I see quite a bit of bias.

 

[BFoe]

Agree Stipe is heavyweight goat I don't understand why Fedor fans are so upset

I’m actually a big Stipe fan, I have no hate for the man at all. I’m also a big Overeem, JDS, and Werdum fan.

Stipe has not surpassed Fedor’s accomplishments, and will not. 8 ranked wins in 11 years, while Fedor had 11 ranked wins in under 10 years.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

What does that have to do with anything? It’s very flawed to try and compare fighters based on common opponents, or how certain methods of victory went.

For example, Fedor right now openly says he is less than half of what he used to be, and has trouble beating Valentin Moldavsky in sparring. Yet they both fought Tim Johnson in back to back fights; Moldavsky had a hard, 5 round decision win whereas Fedor sent Johnson to the shadow realm in under 2 minutes. .

I think really his latter day performances show how good he was previously in various ways.

That he still has as much threat as he does as a striker this far off of his prime is pretty unique but equally I think you see now just how good his defence was previously.

Your typical lobotomised Dana White fan will always come up with "he was just a brawler" because he threw mostly overhands but you see how dangerous it would be to fight that way, how he's been caught walking onto punches. Even the most argent UFC hype monkey would surely not claim Ryan Bader is a better counter puncher than Crocop is.

Personally I think prime Fedor had the best striking defence in MMA history bar none, that he was able to be that aggressive going after dangerous opponents and take so few shots is remarkable.

The ironic thing is that fans have basically be brainwashed to believe that "technical boxing" involves standing stiff and upright whilst pumping a jab.

 

[BFoe]

I think really his latter day performances show how good he was previously in various ways.

That he still has as much threat as he does as a striker this far off of his prime is pretty unique but equally I think you see now just how good his defence was previously.

Your typical lobotomised Dana White fan will always come up with "he was just a brawler" because he threw mostly overhands but you see how dangerous it would be to fight that way, how he's been caught walking onto punches. Even the most argent UFC hype monkey would surely not claim Ryan Bader is a better counter puncher than Crocop is.

Personally I think prime Fedor had the best striking defence in MMA history bar none, that he was able to be that aggressive going after dangerous opponents and take so few shots is remarkable.

The ironic thing is that fans have basically be brainwashed to believe that "technical boxing" involves standing stiff and upright whilst pumping a jab.

Absolutely! It’s crazy that even with a glass chin, and 90% of his grappling gone, that Fedor is still as dynamic and dangerous as he is.

Later this evening, I’m going to pour myself a nice whiskey and make a thread breaking down Fedor vs Bader in great detail, likely using about 5000 more words (and GIFs) than I need to
Bader’s counterpunching will def be talked about.

Please drop in the thread and check it out if you see it.

 

[The Last King]

Absolutely! It’s crazy that even with a glass chin, and 90% of his grappling gone, that Fedor is still as dynamic and dangerous as he is.

Later this evening, I’m going to pour myself a nice whiskey and make a thread breaking down Fedor vs Bader in great detail, likely using about 5000 more words (and GIFs) than I need to
Bader’s counterpunching will def be talked about.

Please drop in the thread and check it out if you see it.

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

2003-2008 Fedor buries Lewis 99/100

Agreed, I was meaning if they fought now.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Im pretty sure I saw Nogueira stand with Sergei, wrestle with Josh Barnett, and fight in the clinch with Randy Couture. He held his own with all of those guys.

I could see a prime Nog standing with guys like Travis Browne and Big Silva and coming out on top. He could compete with Werdum & Stipe in all areas of the fight. He could easily takedown guys like Lewis and Gane and beat them on the ground. Its really the guys like Cain, Cormier, JDS he would struggle with.

Stop watching fighting if you thunk Nog could easily TD Cyril Gane. He could barely take Sylvia down and Timmy looks like hes walkin in stilts

 

[The Last King]

Agreed, I was meaning if they fought now.

Yea now it would any man's game. Lewis would have a very good chance of knocking out the old Fedor but Fedor has enough skill to surprise Lewis.

 

[icemun]

No one has knocked Fedor out with a jab.