Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[BFoe]

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Yes thank you, I’ve seen that fight before. I was there, in fact.

That is not a jab.

 

[The Last King]

I think really his latter day performances show how good he was previously in various ways.

That he still has as much threat as he does as a striker this far off of his prime is pretty unique but equally I think you see now just how good his defence was previously.

Your typical lobotomised Dana White fan will always come up with "he was just a brawler" because he threw mostly overhands but you see how dangerous it would be to fight that way, how he's been caught walking onto punches. Even the most argent UFC hype monkey would surely not claim Ryan Bader is a better counter puncher than Crocop is.

Personally I think prime Fedor had the best striking defence in MMA history bar none, that he was able to be that aggressive going after dangerous opponents and take so few shots is remarkable.

The ironic thing is that fans have basically be brainwashed to believe that "technical boxing" involves standing stiff and upright whilst pumping a jab.

The whole Fedor was just a "brawler" myth was such nonsense. He had a fantastic right cross, he had a sturdy jab, he understood angles for entry and angles for exits out of his attacks.

Fedor used hand traps. He measured and managed distance well and he had fantastic timing and on top of it all he could hit the brawl button at any second and floor a 300lb man with a single punch. He also chained his striking seemlessly to clinching and throwing his opponents. That's not what I would call a brawler, thats a well versed and dynamic mixed martial arts striker.

Obviously with age Fedor became less dynamic and turned into somewhat of a headhunter but that's expected from someone who has been fighting for over 10 years and has suffered knee and back injuries but at his very peak Fedor was one of the most dynamic MMA strikers ever.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Ok, lets take a look at Stipe's best wins.

Mark Hunt - 41yrs old. MMA Record of 10-10. Fedor beat a younger, superior version of this same fighter 9yrs earlier.

Andrei Arlovski - 37yrs old. 7 losses by KO. A younger, superior version of himself had already been ko'd by lol Tim years earlier.

Fabricio Werdum - 39yrs old. Lost to 1 dimensional Nog years earlier.

JDS - Post-Cain beatings and Overeem KO. Decent version of himself but noticeably declined.

Alistair Overeem - 36yrs old. Non-Uber. 11 KO losses on his record. People forget that Overeem fought in the same era and same org as Nog, Fedor, and CC. He was ko'd by nearly everyone he fought including Nog's little brother. He also lost to fighters Nog beat.

Francis Ngannou - Still green but still a great win for Stipe.

Daniel Cormier 2&3 - 40/41yrs old. Post back surgery. Noticably declined. Immediately retired afterward.

If were going to be completely fair to Stipe you could say he has a solid resume with a good number of respectable, quality wins. But its also true that he never...not once...beat a good fighter in their prime. That's a pretty damning and sobering fact for the pro-Stipe guys which is why they won't acknowledge it.

Furthermore most of the quality wins Stipe does have were beaten years earlier by the same guys you consider unskilled and unimpressive. "Lol Tim" was actually a skilled and very dangerous striker in his prime. He could definitely compete with most of the guys from Stipe's era considering most of them were from his own era anyway. To say Tim was an inferior striker to guys like Derrick Lewis and Tuvasa is just a plain bad take. Nog, at his best, had pretty decent striking, good wrestling, great submissions, and the best chin & heart in the game. He too could have held his own against the old guys Stipe fought. Of course he would struggle against prime Cain, JDS, Cormier, and Ngannou but then again so did Stipe.

Hunt was off a first round loss when he fought Fedor. He then dropped his next 4 all first rounf----includinv 2 MWs and McCorkle.

Stipe beat a WAY better version of Hynt.


Do you think LHW Reem was better? He was younger

 

[OneOfOne]

Hunt was off a first round loss when he fought Fedor. He then dropped his next 4 all first rounf----includinv 2 MWs and McCorkle.

Stipe beat a WAY better version of Hynt.


Do you think LHW Reem was better? He was younger

Guys dont get better in their 40s man lol. That seems to be the part you're not getting.

Non-Uber Overeem simply isnt a great fighter. He gets ko'd in about half his fight at either weight class.

 

[Fioretti]

Something that doesnt get mentioned enough for me as well is just how dominant Fedor was during his run, between the Arona and Werdum fights he's not only undefeated but by modern UFC standards he does not drop a single round.

Even if you divide Pride 10 min first rounds in half he still doesnt lose a single one.

It gets mentioned all the time, but what makes it less significant is the caliber of opponents he did it against. It's a lot easier to dominate subpar competition. Less than 30% of his fights in that streak were against top guys. It wasn't as special as the fanbois want it to be. No matter how hard you try to change reality, math, and history. Yeah, he sprinkled a few top guys in here and there. Less than 3 out of 10.

Khabib dominated the shit out of nobodies too. Doesn't mean dick when comparing him to other GOAT candidates.

Travis Fulton tied and/or beat Fedro's streak at least 3x in his career. Doesn't mean shit because he usually lost when he fought anyone ranked or of note.

 

[OneOfOne]

Stipe never lost to a MW who weighed 200lbs

Stipe beat Werdum who submitted Fedor

Stipe beat more athletic big men than Fedor

Stipe defended the belt in the premier most stacked organization for MMA ever

Stipe never lost to Big Foot or other LHWs like Ryan Bader nor did he win a gift win over Maldonado

I keep trying to give you balanced, respectful takes that actually gives credit to guys and acknowledges their strengths and weaknesses. But since you just want to fanboy out lemme just say Stipe got ko'd by Stefan Struve in his prime, lol. No coming back from that. He never beat a good fighter in their prime and made his name off of beating old, washed up 40yr olds Fedor, Nog, and lol Tim already beat a decade early.

 

[Trabaho]

Oh Jesus, the stuff Luke Thomas is saying about the Maldonado fight is straight garbage.

Fight me IRL, Luke.

Copium, Fedor got 10 - 08ed in the first round. Got the ish beat out of him by a average UFC LHW. However he was old and displayed insane endurance.

 

[BFoe]

It gets mentioned all the time, but what makes it less significant is the caliber of opponents he did it against. It's a lot easier to dominate subpar competition. Less than 30% of his fights in that streak were against top guys. It wasn't as special as the fanbois want it to be. No matter how hard you try to change reality, math, and history. Yeah, he sprinkled a few top guys in here and there. Less than 3 out of 10.

Khabib dominated the shit out of nobodies too. Doesn't mean dick when comparing him to other GOAT candidates.

Travis Fulton tied and/or beat Fedro's streak at least 3x in his career. Doesn't mean shit because he usually lost when he fought anyone ranked or of note.

When you say “he sprinkled a few top guys in there,” you mean “more ranked wins than Stipe or JDS had in their entire careers”
—correct?

 

[BFoe]

Copium, Fedor got 10 - 08ed in the first round. Got the ish beat out of him by an average UFC LHW. However he was old and displayed insane endurance.

What’s the copium? I scored the first round 10-8 as well.

 

[The Last King]

Copium, Fedor got 10 - 08ed in the first round. Got the ish beat out of him by a average UFC LHW. However he was old and displayed insane endurance.

Never took you to be a clown but here we are. Fedor was 40 years old coming into his first real fight after a 4 year layoff. Imagine what kind of a moron one would have to be to use that instance to define him. Smh.

 

[Fioretti]

When you say “he sprinkled a few top guys in there,” you mean “more ranked wins than Stipe or JDS had in their entire careers”
—correct?

False. I mean less than 3 out of 10 fights were against top guys.

When you have to scramble, fight, and desperately try to justify including a 5-2 guy coming off a loss as a top 10 win and one of three title defenses, it speaks for itself, homie.

Imagine if Stipe or JDS fought only 2 ranked guys in 10 fights. Or only defended their titles once every 4-6 fights or so.

Ridiculous.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I’m actually a big Stipe fan, I have no hate for the man at all. I’m also a big Overeem, JDS, and Werdum fan.

Stipe has not surpassed Fedor’s accomplishments, and will not. 8 ranked wins in 11 years, while Fedor had 11 ranked wins in under 10 years.

The quality of wins is higher. Randleman, Coleman etc I mean really? And timmy?

Also Fedor had a more interesting careee but I doubt he would beat Stipe a majority of times if they fought 10x

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I keep trying to give you balanced, respectful takes that actually gives credit to guys and acknowledges their strengths and weaknesses. But since you just want to fanboy out lemme just say Stipe got ko'd by Stefan Struve in his prime, lol. No coming back from that. He never beat a good fighter in their prime and made his name off of beating old, washed up 40yr olds Fedor, Nog, and lol Tim already beat a decade early.

At least Struve is a massive big tall 265lb man

 

[OneOfOne]

At least Struve is a massive big tall 265lb man

A big tall, 265lbs scrub who could never ko a real goat

 

[MartinGibson86]

He never beat any of: JDS, Cain, DC, Reem, stipe,


He never beat anyone who beat any of the above...hes 12 years younger than Coleman but too old for any of the above despite STILL fighting lol

Ultimately, hes like 7-5 in sanctioned, drug tested fights.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Heavyweight GOAT hands down.

 

[OneOfOne]

Do you realize if it is so bad that Stipe lost to Struve a legit giant.

How bad is it then that Fedor the allegeded HW GOAT gets knocked out by a 204lb man?

You mean one of the best fighters in MMA history when he was 12yrs and 35 fights into his career? Not so bad.

 

[BFoe]

False. I mean less than 3 out of 10 fights were against top guys.

When you have to scramble, fight, and desperately try to justify including a 5-2 guy coming off a loss as a top 10 win and one of three title defenses, it speaks for itself, homie.

Imagine if Stipe or JDS fought only 2 ranked guys in 10 fights. Or only defended their titles once every 4-6 fights or so.

Ridiculous.

Lol what I said is not false. Between Fedor’s debut and the Werdum loss, he had more ranked wins than JDS or Stipe had in their entire careers (both have 8 ranked wins).
Those are FACTS.

Your argument has the same problem every time, which is that you’re counting by number of fights when Fedor was far more active than either JDS or Stipe. More ranked wins in 10 years than Stipe had in 11 years, and more than JDS had in 16 years.
Facts, my dude.
Pretty much you just want to complain that JMMA didn’t have guys fighting ranked opponents every time—and I get it, I really do. That doesn’t diminish the number he did fight, which is more than any other HW in history except maybe Nog.

And no one has to scramble, justify, or do anything of the sort with Hunt’s ranking—simply pull up the ranking for the time period in which he fought Fedor, and Hunt is ranked. Easy. See?
https://www.mmaweekly.com/mmaweekly-rankings-updated-22

 

[OneOfOne]

Do you realize if it is so bad that Stipe lost to Struve a legit giant.

The more you argue that Stipes loss to a non can, gatekeeper giant is so bad. The worse you make Fedor look for losing to Big Foot let alone to Hendo....

How bad is it then that Fedor the allegeded HW GOAT gets knocked out by a 204lb man?

You mean the same gatekeeper who ko'd Overeem? Struve still to this day never beat a good fighter.

 

[MartinGibson86]

At least Struve is a massive big tall 265lb man

Also fought basically his whole carrer in the drug tested big keague...going 13-11.

bStipe was 2years into his career. Its like Martins beating Islam.No excuses.

The cultists will dump on Struve while telling you Goodridge, Fujita, and Ogawa were quality wins for the fucking HW champ