Media Fedor Emelianenko Resumé Review

[MartinGibson86]

I would agree. You see how easy it is to be honest? You should try it sometime. It won't hurt you i promise.

So yoy agree Struve over Nog is equal to one of Fedor's defenses and "ranked" wins.


Cool. Glad we agree on something

 

[OneOfOne]

So yoy agree Struve over Nog is equal to one of Fedor's defenses and "ranked" wins.


Cool. Glad we agree on something

Sure. But you act like Fedor doesn't have 13 other ranked wins to choose from. You're not even making sense st this point.

 

[BFoe]

The quality of wins is higher. Randleman, Coleman etc I mean really? And timmy?

Also Fedor had a more interesting careee but I doubt he would beat Stipe a majority of times if they fought 10x

Stipe’s quality of wins is not higher, and in fact, some of them are the same wins Fedor had just years later (Arlovski, Hunt).

Let’s look at some of the former champs they’ve beaten.

NOGUEIRA—was the PRIDE HW champ and #1 HW in the world when Fedor beat him. Would become UFC Interim champ 5 years later even.

RANDLEMAN—3.5 years removed from being UFC HW champ when Fedor beat him.

COLEMAN—was 6 years, 9 months removed from being UFC champ but only 3 years, 11 months removed from being PRIDE GP champion.

SYLVIA— only 16 months removed from being UFC HW champ, and coming off a fight for the UFC Interim HW title.

ARLVOSKI— was only 2 years, 9 months removed from being UFC champ, as on an excellent 5-fight win streak and ranked #2 in the world when Fedor beat him. Was 9 years, 9 months removed from being UFC champ when Stipe beat him.

JDS— was 2 years, 2 months removed from being champ when Stipe lost to him. Was 4 years, 7 months removed from being champ when Stipe beat him. Not terrible, but not in great form at the time either.

OVEREEM— He’s tough because he was never the same after he popped for PEDs in 2012. He was 5 years, 4 months removed from being Strikeforce champ and about 5 years after his PED test.

 

[Fioretti]

Yea...like lindland, goodridge, and randleman lol

Fedro only has 10 ranked wins. Among those fighters are Randleman, Hunt, Rodgers, and Coleman (first fight).

Those are technically ranked wins, but are obviously subpar competition with favorable temporary rankings at the time of the fight. Even when you include those 4 guys, Fedro faced top competition less than 30% of the time during his streak that they so desperately cling to.

If you want to be objective, and realistic, he went 6-3 against top guys throughout his first 36 or so fights.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I havent looked at Bfoe's BS rankings in a while...


Do the cultists actually count Lindland among his "ranked" wins??

Yes

They count Lindland as a top win. When I say that Stipe and Werdum get no luxury of this ability to fight a MW they say "well Fedor is really a MW himself" which is sort of true. If Fedor lost the fat and toned up he would be a MW or a medium to smaller LHW. However, the reality is he did weigh 230lbs or so in that fight and he did compete as a HW his whole career. Lastly Fedor if he is the Heavyweight GOAT should not be fighting non Heavyweights or losing to non HWs. So arguments on Fedor small size are relevant towards him being a top p4p fighter but are irrelevant to being the Heavyweight GOAT.

Hunt is also a top win for the Fedor supefan base since he was a title defense. Randleman and Coleman are also apparently not 1 dimesional and are so elite they would beat Blaydes, Werdum, and Cormier...... Fujita was also an elite striker who would beat Tai and Lewis just like Rodgers would....

And Cro Cop who was green then was somehow the best striker ever. And Nog was the best BJJ guy and wrestler ever except for all the times he got out wrestled and the 2x he got submitted.... Oh and Nog had elite striking except when you watch the fight and see immense amount of cuts and blood on his face anytime he fought a good striker... Oh and except when you checked the statistics of Nog fights and see he was outstruck even in most of his wins....

 

[OneOfOne]

Yea...like lindland, goodridge, and randleman lol

I thought you were going to be honest? Lol. What was I thinking. Fedor has 8 wins over ranked opponents in their primes, from his own era, and none of them are named Randleman, Coleman, Fujita, or Lindland. How many does Stipe have? Don't worry Ill wait...

 

[OneOfOne]

Fedro only has 10 ranked wins. Among those fighters are Randleman, Hunt, Rodgers, and Coleman (first fight).

Those are technically ranked wins, but are obviously subpar competition with favorable temporary rankings at the time of the fight. Even when you include those 4 guys, Fedro faced top competition less than 30% of the time during his streak that they so desperately cling to.

If you want to be objective, and realistic, he went 6-3 against top guys throughout his first 36 or so fights.

He actually has 14 but carry on...

 

[Fioretti]

He actually has 14 but carry on...

False. Please list them. I already know the mistakes you'll make, but do tell.

 

[The Last King]

Randleman KOd #2 Mirko coming into the Fedor fight

Coleman beat top 5 P4P Shogun coming into the Fedor fight.

Rogers bear #2 HW Arlovksi coming into the Fedor fight

Lindland had a close, split decision loss to Rampage which many people thought he won. Rampage went on to the UFC to smash Liddell and become champion and unify the belts by beating Hendo.

All of these guys were well positioned to get a fight with Fedor. The Fedor hating clowns in this thread hate facts more than they hate Fedor.

 

[OneOfOne]

False. Please list them. I already know the mistakes you'll make, but do tell.

Sobral, Schilt, Herring, Nogueira, Fujita, Goodridge, Coleman, Randleman, Nogueira, Cro Cop, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers

I did the research years ago. Fedor has 14 top 10 wins. 2nd only to Nog, at HW.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Randleman KOd #2 Mirko coming into the Fedor fight

Coleman beat top 5 P4P Shogun coming into the Fedor fight.

Rogers bear #2 HW Arlovksi coming into the Fedor fight

Lindland had a close, split decision loss to Rampage which many people thought he won. Rampage went on to the UFC to smash Liddell and become champion and unify the belts by beating Hendo.

All of these guys were well positioned to get a fight with Fedor. The Fedor hating clowns in this thread hate facts more than they hate Fedor.

No. Pulling a massive upset (Rogers and Randleman) does not qualify you to fight the worlds top HW

Nor does beating a LHW via injury (Coleman)


Nor does being a MW who never fought at HW(Lindland)


Rogers is the only acceptable fight of the 4 for the top HW. And only because Sergei, Reem, Werdum etc were in limbo/booked. Rogers was a bum with one good win

 

[MyFavSport]

I'm not gonna bother reading every page of this unoriginal thread. But I will drop in and say that
- Sylvia was mentally not there when they fought
- Arlovski lost to fucking brett Roger's not to long after the Fedor fight.

-Heath Herring was not a great fighter. Look at some of the no names the man lost too and the only 2 wins in his career that amount to much are old ass Igor and years later Chieck Kongo
-Monson, Rizzo, Mir, Sonnen and Rampage were old shells just collecting paychecks.
- Mark Hunt has power but also very big weaknesses and lots of Losses.
-Coleman and Randleman were tough dudes but plenty of weaknesses and ugly losses.
-Arona and Sobral were LHW who were yet to reach their peak when Fedor fought them.

-Nogueira is overrated as well. Dont fight me just my humble and correct opinion.

Here is me shitting on Fedors resume.
Sexy names but dont be fooled

 

[Fioretti]

Sobral, Schilt, Herring, Nogueira, Fujita, Goodridge, Coleman, Randleman, Nogueira, Cro Cop, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers

I did the research years ago. Fedor has 14 top 10 wins. 2nd only to Nog, at HW.

Lol. Classic.

I'll start with Goodridge. Tell me how, why, and where Gary Goodridge was ranked when he fought Fedro.

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

False. I mean less than 3 out of 10 fights were against top guys.

When you have to scramble, fight, and desperately try to justify including a 5-2 guy coming off a loss as a top 10 win and one of three title defenses, it speaks for itself, homie.

Imagine if Stipe or JDS fought only 2 ranked guys in 10 fights. Or only defended their titles once every 4-6 fights or so.

Ridiculous.

Imagine if 1/3 of the best heavyweights were in another org when Stipe / JDS fought like UFC / Pride. What if they fought 3x per year on top of Sambo tournaments?

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

Everyone should pick the best version of Stipe and the best version of Fedor to compare. Not old Fedor with tons of miles or inexperienced Stipe that was KO’d bu Struve.

 

[OneOfOne]

Lol. Classic.

I'll start with Goodridge. Tell me how, why, and where Gary Goodridge was ranked when he fought Fedro.

Well Im not about to go back to through the archives. But I imagine Goodridge was ranked due to being 7-1-1 in his last 9 fights with win over Valentijn Overeem who just recently beat Randy Couture. He also had a win over Bob Schrijber in that stretch who was a reputable fighter with a 17-9 record and a recent win over Ian Freeman. He also fought to a draw with Ebenezer Braga.

Im not claiming that to be a great win but it was a ranked win.

 

[Fioretti]

Well Im not about to go back to through the archives. But I imagine Goodridge was ranked due to being 7-1-1 in his last 8 fights with win over Valentijn Overeem who just recently beat Randy Couture. He also had a win over Bob Schrijber in that stretch who was a reputable fighter with a 17-9 record and a recent win over Ian Freeman. He also fought to a draw with Ebenezer Braga.

Im not claiming that to be a great win but it was a ranked win.

Goodridge was 17-13-1 when they fought. The only win within a year of fighting Fedro was against a guy making his MMA debut. His win against Overeem was more than 2 years prior, and he lost to the only top guy he fought (in his very next fight) between then. Show me how, where, and why he was ranked. You kind of have to go through the archives, bud. Thing is....he wasnt ranked, so you literally cannot provide proof.

Concede this one or would you like to contest further?

 

[OneOfOne]

Goodridge was 17-13-1 when they fought. The only win within a year of fighting Fedro was against a guy making his MMA debut. His win against Overeem was more than 2 years prior, and he lost to the only top guy he fought (in his very next fight) between then. Show me how, where, and why he was ranked. You kind of have to go through the archives, bud. Thing is....he wasnt ranked, so you literally cannot provide proof.

Concede this one or would you like to contest further?

Youre free to not believe me. I really don't care lol. I explained to you why he was ranked and you don't want to except it. I did the research years ago and made detailed threads listing the sources. Again, you don't have to believe me.

Also, the top heavyweights barely fight more than once a year in todays mma so Im not seeing the relevance here. Werdum & JDS were both coming off of one fught in the previous 2 years before fighting Stipe. It didn't prevent them from being ranked.

Im not conceding nothing champ, sorry.

 

[Fioretti]

Youre free to not believe me. I really don't care lol. I explained to you why he was ranked and you don't want to except it. I did the research years ago and made detailed threads listing the sources. Again, you don't have to believe me.

Also, the top heavyweights barely fight more than once a year in todays mma so Im not seeing the relevance here. Werdum & JDS were both coming off of one fught in the previous 2 years before fighting Stipe. It didn't prevent them from being ranked.

Im not conceding nothing champ, sorry.

So, you have no proof, and "did the research years ago", but joined a month ago? Let's put some emphasis on that you have no proof part. Won't concede, but can't win? Is normal.

A guy who was 17-13-1 with one fight against a guy who was 0-0 in MMA in the last year was not ranked. He wasn't ranked anywhere. Oops!

 

[OneOfOne]

So, you have no proof, and "did the research years ago", but joined a month ago? Let's put some emphasis on that you have no proof part. Won't concede, but can't win? Is normal.

A guy who was 17-13-1 with one fight against a guy who was 0-0 in MMA in the last year was not ranked. He wasn't ranked anywhere. Oops!

https://www.fightmatrix.com/historical-mma-rankings/generated-historical-rankings/

Oops lol. Should have just stayed quiet. Now you know what you must do...