Fedor ducking Alistair Overeem debunked with nothing but cold hard facts

Pixelated Porn said:
I have seen him fight, do you want a cookie? Funny how I posted a reply to this guy's thread. Then you don't have shit to say but sit here and try to insult me for posting facts. So go fuck yourself. I don't care what you have to say and you are boring.




Why? It was hilarious seeing him lose. I love it. He was good for shits and giggles.
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As a fan of Fedor Emilanenko myself, i could never understand the "ducking" issue. For years he fought the best fighters in three organizations, Rings, Pride and Strikeforce. People are saying he ducked Alstair Overeem. Why would he duck him but not duck say...Mirko Filipovic? Or Andre Arlovski? Is Overeem better or more "fearsome" than these fighters? As for Fedor and Alstair, i would consider them both top 10 heavyweights ever, in my opinion.

Im not a "delusional" fan boy. Nor am i an avid derider of him. Just someone who can appreciate what he had accomplished and know at the same time he is nowhere near top 20 material. That fight against Fabio Maldonado is prof he cannot compete at even a median level at the heavyweight division today.

Good work on the post by Claude.
 
Ancient Warrior said:
The guy is nowhere where he used to be, at the end of his career and still fights like a warrior. He doesn't know what it is to quit. To even hear his biggest critic Dana White call him a warrior after this fight says a lot.

His critics see a phony. I see an aging legend with the samurai spirit.
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I do too.

I still think his mega fans overrate him but he'll probably go down as the best HW ever
 
People who arent grateful for Fedor's tenure on this planet are real fucked up,kid.
 
Wow, didn't expect Fedor haters to be this butt sore.
 
Glove said:
As a fan of Fedor Emilanenko myself, i could never understand the "ducking" issue. For years he fought the best fighters in three organizations, Rings, Pride and Strikeforce. People are saying he ducked Alstair Overeem. Why would he duck him but not duck say...Mirko Filipovic? Or Andre Arlovski? Is Overeem better or more "fearsome" than these fighters? As for Fedor and Alstair, i would consider them both top 10 heavyweights ever, in my opinion.

Im not a "delusional" fan boy. Nor am i an avid derider of him. Just someone who can appreciate what he had accomplished and know at the same time he is nowhere near top 20 material. That fight against Fabio Maldonado is prof he cannot compete at even a median level at the heavyweight division today.

Good work on the post by Claude.
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Overeem was a combination of horse meat enhanced freak musculature and elite striking (his clinch game, especially back then was next level, his knee strikes are right up there with Cro Cops LHK as some of the most devastating strikes in MMA history). He also is undoubtedly better at grappling than Cro Cop. The man has 19 wins by submission, he has some beautiful and very technical takedowns/trips. He won the ADCC submission wrestling euro trials back in 2005.

That for me, is probably why they chose not to. He had a rare combination of traits. He was a huge powerful man, a devastating striker and a very competent grappler.

To put it like this...he was bigger and stronger than Cro Cop, more of a threat with regards to grappling and his striking was as devastating but also different due to his love of the clinch. The same applies to Arlovski.

And versus the like of Noguiera...he's a lesser danger grappling, but he's bigger/stronger and much more dangerous striking. Make no mistake Overeem was more dangerous than anyone Fedor ever thought, in my opinion at least, and I'm sure many would agree. This is not to say Fedor could/would not have beat him or that Overeem is definitively better than the likes of Cro Cop or Nogueira, but he is more well rounded than them and more powerful which could cause problems for a smaller HW like Fedor.



He also beat Badr Hari in K1 in 2008, before he was supposed to fight Fedor. Things like this at the time can weigh in on a a decision. No one wants to fight a monster who beats the likes of Badr Hari in Kickboxing/Muay Thai.


He was/is a complete package in a way. Brilliant chokes and take downs from the clinch, devastating knees and a crazy physique/extreme power. I can understand why Fedor and/or his people didn't want the fight to happen. Overeem was on an extreme high back then, he had major momentum and few people wanted to fight him.
 
OVereem has alot of skills cant say too much against that,but in the end,his lack of durability will always be a detriment,and you just cant be the GOAT without that,Esp at HW. Hes evolved to a point where he is doing very well to manage his skills (Econoreem) but alls it takes is one good punch.
 
Long as post. Fuck....I did read it tho. Nice work my friend. The long lost art of actual research!
 
Co-Co Zola said:
Overeem was a combination of horse meat enhanced freak musculature and elite striking (his clinch game, especially back then was next level, his knee strikes are right up there with Cro Cops LHK as some of the most devastating strikes in MMA history). He also is undoubtedly better at grappling than Cro Cop. The man has 19 wins by submission, he has some beautiful and very technical takedowns/trips. He won the ADCC submission wrestling euro trials back in 2005.

That for me, is probably why they chose not to. He had a rare combination of traits. He was a huge powerful man, a devastating striker and a very competent grappler.

To put it like this...he was bigger and stronger than Cro Cop, more of a threat with regards to grappling and his striking was as devastating but also different due to his love of the clinch. The same applies to Arlovski.

And versus the like of Noguiera...he's a lesser danger grappling, but he's bigger/stronger and much more dangerous striking. Make no mistake Overeem was more dangerous than anyone Fedor ever thought, in my opinion at least, and I'm sure many would agree. This is not to say Fedor could/would not have beat him or that Overeem is definitively better than the likes of Cro Cop or Nogueira, but he is more well rounded than them and more powerful which could cause problems for a smaller HW like Fedor.



He also beat Badr Hari in K1 in 2008, before he was supposed to fight Fedor. Things like this at the time can weigh in on a a decision. No one wants to fight a monster who beat the likes of Badr Hari in Kickboxing/Muay Thai.


He was/is a complete package in a way. Brilliant chokes and take downs from the clinch, devastating knees and a crazy physique. I can understand why Fedor and/or his people didn't want the fight to happen. Overeem was on an extreme high back then, he had major momentum and few people wanted to fight him.
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I remember his submission wins well, he submitted two of MMA's most feared strikers in Igor Vovchanchyon and Vitor Belfort. This was when he was a slender version of himself. The huge He-Man physique wasn't fitted for his MMA skills, it did for his kickboxing. In fact this version of Overeem is the b est we seen since Pride. He reacts better and he isn't gassing as opposed to his unnatural frame 3 years ago. And i actually rooted for him to beat Badr Hari in 2008. The reason was it was due to Badr hari saying something to the likes of how kickboxing is superior to MMA generally. Overeem would KO him badly. As for being more well rounded than Nougeria and Cro Cop......i would give you Mirko, but Nougeria was a world class grappler with decent stand up. But you sure make a case forf him being better, I enjoyed reading your post here, you know your history.
 
If mudernado had cracked the reem with that punch he hit fedor with the shit woulda never gotten outta the first round.
 
HHJ said:
OVereem has alot of skills cant say too much against that,but in the end,his lack of durability will always be a detriment,and you just cant be the GOAT without that,Esp at HW. Hes evolved to a point where he is doing very well to manage his skills (Econoreem) but alls it takes is one good punch.
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I hear ya', don't get me wrong Fedor could have won.

But that's the thing with a guy like Overeem...any heavy hitter can beat him, but he can beat pretty much any one on any given night if he can avoid a heavy shot, manage his cardio or alternatively knock them out (or even choke them out), which he could do to any one in MMA. He's a dangerous fight for anyone.

I understand people not considering him the greatest HW. He has a checkered career, but at his best he's as good as anyone. He's just never really had a major spell of dominance except that major run he had from Nov 2007 - Dec 2011, he had 11 wins and one NC in that time span. Right bang in the middle of that was when he was meant to fight Fedor.

Unfortunately for him his losses have been to consistent and frequent when compared to others who lost a handful of times at the beginning or end of their career grouped together. And sadly during his major run he wasn't in a top org like the UFC (his last victory in this run was his UFC debut), but still during that time frame he beat Hunt, Werdum & Lesnar (he was also beating Cro Cop till the NC). He also won the K1 GP and beat the likes of Hari, Aerts, Saki, Spong.

But I think with his skill set, victories and accolades he could be argued to be just that. The likes of Fedor and Cain rank up there too I feel. A prime Fedor and Cain fight would have been crazy.
 
I cant understand Fedors management decisions but aside from that I could never question his heart, toughness or record. They all speak for themselves.

Fedor the fighter is beyond questioning in any domain.
 
Fedor is attacked by zuffa zombies because he didn't come to the UFC.
Fact: Strikeforce had a better HW division.
Fedor NEVER run from competition. But he was the only fighter who was bigger than the sport, and the UFC knew.
they couldn't lure him with a contract just because it has the UFC name.
Heck, it doesn't even matter how much they paid Fedor. He is not interested in money.
AO had multiple chances to fight Fedor and it didn't work.
Him blaming Fedor is laughable though.

Thanks for posting this for anyone who would believe AO without checking those facts.
Now at least they have a place (with links) to get the truth.
 
@Claude has won the thread by KO.

Good work.

It's fun that Overeem talks so much these days. Maybe the PED's have reached his brain by this time.

Reem is a PED cheat. Still, he's a fun fighter to watch even though he tapped to strikes against Arona, was finished by Shogun twice, has multiple losses to three different fighters and has lost three times in the UFC already.

Reem will never be "GOAT" of anything, except maybe for best PED physique.

TS did the work others are too lazy to do.
 
Glove said:
As a fan of Fedor Emilanenko myself, i could never understand the "ducking" issue. For years he fought the best fighters in three organizations, Rings, Pride and Strikeforce. People are saying he ducked Alstair Overeem. Why would he duck him but not duck say...Mirko Filipovic? Or Andre Arlovski? Is Overeem better or more "fearsome" than these fighters? As for Fedor and Alstair, i would consider them both top 10 heavyweights ever, in my opinion.
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This is well said. The thread has gone all sorts of different directions as Fedor threads often do but the original topic was Reem's accusations that Fedor avoided fighting him.

Both guys have been in so many orgs at different times that it is difficult to follow when they were even able to fight one another. In Pride, Reem obviously was in a different weight class. In SF, they probably would have fought if Fedor didn't start losing.

But overall, as you point out, it just seems so odd that somebody like Fedor who fought so many of the great HW's of his era is accused of ducking anyone.

Even more odd is why Reem would be talking about Fedor in 2016. I mean, Fedor had to fight to the death in Russia to draw with some 205 dude who couldn't cut it in the UFC
 
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