Fedor and M1 weren't wrong for wanting co-promotion with UFC

vintagemmafan said:
I agree with everything except a fighter union, there seems to be a disconnect on here and again it's blinding bias for this fukking organization it's like a mind virus if a fighter doesn't like the terms of the UFC than don't fukking work for them and support them simple as that if they dont like too fukking only a complete tard would take those shitty terms and not think of their futures just to be in the UFC. The number 1 thing I respected about Ngannou is that he left and did what was in his favor that's what these athletes need to do but there's this stupid loyalty to a brand I've never seen anything like this before in the history of mma/nhb and it's because there is big money involved now, same thing fighters will allow themselves to be used and abused like Gus who imo got screwed in the Jones fight didn't demand an instant rematch waits years later while he's taken losses and now he's irrelevant totally stupid move and it's the fault of Gus and anyone else who allows themselves to get taken advantage.
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Your opinion is literal shit flowing out of a dana white dick sucking ass. Not a single argument you made in this nonsensical paragraph made any sense.
 
JustforBROCK said:
Your opinion is literal shit flowing out of a dana white dick sucking ass. Not a single argument you made in this nonsensical paragraph made any sense.
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You're obviously a gay boy for UFC and a retard on top of that, I question your comprehension skills or lack there of in saying my opinion is that of Dana White who my comment literally is a smear and condemnation of but again you're a retard so not surprising and to top it off finishes by telling me not a single argument made sense all the while not providing one counter argument good job dipshit.
 
M-1 has produced some of the best fighters in the UFC today. Khabib, Islam and Shavkat all came from M-1 so yes, they absolutely brought long term value to the UFC long term.

It's easy to say in hindsight that Fedor should have signed with the UFC. I too wish Fedor came to UFC as a fan. But when Dana first lowballed Fedor Affliction wasn't a bad choice because at THAT time the Fedor haters were saying he was ducking Sylvia and Arlovski. After Fedor beat them in Affliction he had leverage and Strikeforce was offering 1.5M a fight + fighting on CBS.

Fedor was knocking fools out on CBS primetime while UFC bums were still fighting on Spike TV. At that moment in time Strikeforce had the superior HW division and their front office wasn't disrespecting Fedor. Dana and the UFC lowballed Fedor in the first phase of negotiations and then when he declined they disrespected him and used their media machine to smear him and counter program his fights. Strikeforce gave him the respect he felt he deserved with favorable demands so he took their offer.

Vadim fucked Fedor too but at least his ambitions were built on Fedor continuing to win- while Dana Weasel White had time on his side so he bet on Fedor to eventually lose. He never really wanted Fedor to grace the UFC with his presence, but rather for Fedor to come to the UFC so that the next generation HWs could destroy him so Dana could say he always sucked and close that chapter forever.

UFC fans as a whole are absolute low iq garbage.
 
If thread starter thinks M-1 was this big juggernaut than why didn't M-1 use Fedor to build M-1's worldwide presence....................oh wait...........they barely had a pot to piss in, that is why. Fedor never fought for them until well into his twilight of his career and even then he had no loyalty to them. Truth is M-1 global at the time was decent size org in Russia/general area over there but really was basically a King of Cage org in there hey day. Created a lot of good fighters but the org itself was barely sustainable. It wasn't like M-1 had tens of millions rolling in from media deals around the world or anything close to that. You could argue that M-1/Fedor/Strikeforce/Showtime/Affliction deals made more money for M-1 than M-1 itself.

There is zero reason for UFC to co promote with M-1 or anyone else at that time. It's like asking Mc Donald's to add your best local regional burger brand to there menu just because they have a better burger. How does that benefit anyone except the little guy, Mc Donald's will have a line around the building regardless at there 40,000 plus locations around the world and no matter what will pale in comparison in the revenue and profit department.

People making it sound like the UFC was just being cheap or whatever. There is a reason why Fedor is being rumored to fight periodically and fought all the way into 2023 at like 47 years old. That doesn't sound like a man who was making a killing in his career. In fact he was severely taking advantage of in is Pride early days if you do some homework and some would argue his whole time in Pride. Most would agree his M-1 deal took more out of his pocket than him just being represented by a real manager looking out for his best interest. I truly believe if Fedor was just represented by a real manager Fedor would've fought in the UFC, would've made way more money long term in his career, and probably won't be fighting at over 45 years old.
 
Söze Aldo said:
Fedor fought guys with over 100 lbs weight advantages on him.


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Those guys are both trash compared to Brock though
 
Yes they were. They literally brought nothing to the table.

It was a beyond ridiculous ask.
 
skylolow said:
If thread starter thinks M-1 was this big juggernaut than why didn't M-1 use Fedor to build M-1's worldwide presence....................oh wait...........they barely had a pot to piss in, that is why. Fedor never fought for them until well into his twilight of his career and even then he had no loyalty to them. Truth is M-1 global at the time was decent size org in Russia/general area over there but really was basically a King of Cage org in there hey day. Created a lot of good fighters but the org itself was barely sustainable. It wasn't like M-1 had tens of millions rolling in from media deals around the world or anything close to that. You could argue that M-1/Fedor/Strikeforce/Showtime/Affliction deals made more money for M-1 than M-1 itself.

There is zero reason for UFC to co promote with M-1 or anyone else at that time. It's like asking Mc Donald's to add your best local regional burger brand to there menu just because they have a better burger. How does that benefit anyone except the little guy, Mc Donald's will have a line around the building regardless at there 40,000 plus locations around the world and no matter what will pale in comparison in the revenue and profit department.

People making it sound like the UFC was just being cheap or whatever. There is a reason why Fedor is being rumored to fight periodically and fought all the way into 2023 at like 47 years old. That doesn't sound like a man who was making a killing in his career. In fact he was severely taking advantage of in is Pride early days if you do some homework and some would argue his whole time in Pride. Most would agree his M-1 deal took more out of his pocket than him just being represented by a real manager looking out for his best interest. I truly believe if Fedor was just represented by a real manager Fedor would've fought in the UFC, would've made way more money long term in his career, and probably won't be fighting at over 45 years old.
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Khabib, Islam and Shavkat all came from M-1.

Fedors second marriage divorce took him for a lot.

He still did well after Strikeforce and made a nice bag in Bellatir at 1.5M per fight. That's more than 90% of UFC guys make.
 
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Ludwig von Mises said:
Khabib , Islam and Shavkat all came from M-1 you low iq rat.
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Co promotion any of those clowns in 2008 would’ve been dumb too. Not least because they literally hadn’t even started mma yet.

Co promotion was a moronic ask
 
Ludwig von Mises said:
Khabib , Islam and Shavkat all came from M-1 you low iq rat.
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Everyone comes from somewhere child. It was a regional MMA organization. Nothing more. And Khabib fought in M-1 like 3 times. You're ranting like Khabib fought 10 times in M-1 and that M-1 somehow made his career and helped him get to the UFC. They definitely did not.

Also the last M-1 standalone card was in like 2020, so they're not exactly a successful organization.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Everyone comes from somewhere child. It was a regional MMA organization. Nothing more. And Khabib fought in M-1 like 3 times. You're ranting like Khabib fought 10 times in M-1 and that M-1 somehow made his career and helped him get to the UFC. They definitely did not.

Also the last M-1 standalone card was in like 2020, so they're not exactly a successful organization.
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Always found it odd that Khabib fought in M1 but not Strikeforce who was co promoting at the time. Just bypassed them right to the UFC instead.

Gilbert, Josh, Aoki, Kawajiri, etc would’ve been cracker fights.
 
Not sure about the co- promotion angle, but I know Fedor says Dana didn't show him respect.

If true, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
Fedor could have cut a great deal for himself. The M1 Global baggage prevented that. They offered nothing but Fedor. Where did that all of that go without UFC? It went nowhere. UFC is fine without it. Fans missed out on some great matches but UFC missed out on nothing.
 
MMA market is too small to just split promotions willy nilly to get a fighter who doesn't speak English.

Not saying Fedor wouldn't of sold some PPVs, but that was terrible management choice. All the co promotion stuff ran M1 bankrupt.

Fedor should've took the Khabib approach and had a deal with M1 as a feeder league. It never had to be co promotion or nothing.

Easier to shit on UFC though, but it's here today and where is M1? What good is an American audience for Russian MMA. I just don't think it was the smartest ground to hold. In fact everyone that accepted his demands ended up losing money.
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
Not sure about the co- promotion angle, but I know Fedor says Dana didn't show him respect.

If true, that wouldn't surprise me at all.
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I think that had more to do with what his people were feeding him on what he should or what they think they should all get. It's like any manager, they tell there client he is the greatest, blah blah. If deal comes about great, if doesn't then it is the old they don't value you enough spin. I think that was more or less what was going on with the UFC/M1/Fedor. Who knows what they real truth of what they were asking for but Dana, Ferts, and some of the better MMA media at the time made it very clear it was no where near a normal negotiation or ask. It was also reported the UFC did cave on some demands that they never have done for anyone to try to get a deal done. It was after this crazy meeting when Dana really took a turn to more or less publicly say F those guys.

People love to blame the UFC for Fedor never fighting but some of the blame has to fall on his management. You can't treat negotiations with the UFC the same as you would with the smaller guys out there. They found a sucker in Coker/Showtime and took them for a ride hoping by having Fedor would lead them into a self sustainable and profitable org. They even gave M-1 a TV deal as part of it. In the end the investors wanted to sell and the org was losing millions. Good on there part, no so good for the other side of the coin.


P.S.: I remember way back in the day when this stuff was going on that the radio show on this site with the all big wigs discussed a few different times on how Fedor was a very simple man with very simple thoughts. This was based on conversations with him and people that knew him(other fighters and people around him or dealing they had with him). They alluded to more or less his management on some level were probably taking advantage of his simpleness and Fedor more or less went with the flow without questioning things very often. Fink was never looking out for Fedor's best interest first and foremost, he saw a cash cow and utilized him to further his causes more so than Fedor's best interest. Which is fine, many people in the business world that bring inventions or new products to the market aren't savvy or care that much about the business side and how it all works. They hire people to do that and trust them. Sometime it works out great and other times not so well. Some of these people end up learning the business side much better for themselves and many don't. Fedor seem to wake up and got better management after Fink. But Fink also dragged Fedor around for many years and I have to admit did make him good money, I just wonder how much more Fedor could've made with better representation. Fedor isn't the only fighter in the world that falls into that category. Hell, many allude to Ali for all the great he does for his fighters he also caves to easily to the UFC brass for his fighters and leaves money on the table to get deals done.
 
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Ludwig von Mises said:
Khabib, Islam and Shavkat all came from M-1.

Fedors second marriage divorce took him for a lot.

He still did well after Strikeforce and made a nice bag in Bellatir at 1.5M per fight. That's more than 90% of UFC guys make.
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1.5 million Per fight, LOL.

Seriously Fedor fans has surpassed Mcgregor fans by a far as most delusional & dishonest fans on this site you and Bowserjr are at the helm of it.
 
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