Fedor and M1 weren't wrong for wanting co-promotion with UFC

[snugglecakes]

Fedor wasn't the best fighter in the world at the time tho. Zuffa literally cut him for getting plooked in strikeforce around this same time frame give or take. Big foot silva destroyed him using absolutely nothing but weight bullying and no skill. Pre diverticulitis brock would have done the same but worse. People forget that brock's downfall didn't happen till after he got sick and then his cardio was massively diminished. He had a decent chin too. People act like he had a james vick chin. He tanked sledgehammer blows from carwin that would have KOed a kodiak bear. He botched a shooting star press and landed directly on his head and didn't fuckin die but continued the fake wrasslin match fight.

UFC co-promoting with m1 would be silly. M1 was the jobber leagues. The UFC co-promoting with m1 would be like Major league baseball co-promoting with the junior Tee-ball league. M1 brings nothing to the table there other than 1 and only 1 fighter that was beginning his down slide at a suspiciously early age for a heavyweight (prolly cause he wasn't fighting bloated middleweights & light heavyweights anymore like his spoon fed pride competition)

 

[Söze Aldo]

And ended up on the bottom both times he tried to take HMC down. If HMC had even remotely competent grappling, Fedor would have been in serious trouble there too.

I still don't agree with the assertion that things would have "not gone well" if Fedor fought Brock in 2009, due to Brock's weight advantage.

I think it would have been a competitive fight but no clear advantage to Brock, who was still very new to the sport at that time. Was a shame we never got to see it.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

should have happened, but UFC was never going to co-promote. defeats the whole purpose of them trying to build up their brand at the time.

one of the worst what ifs to never happen.

 

[DougieJones]

Excuse?

Please tell me how many HW fighters have been at their peak after 33 fights

Alexander Volkov is one off the top of my head

It's actually crazy how many fights he has had for a guy still near the top of HW

 

[DougieJones]

This thread is retarded. In no universe was the UFC wrong to turn down that contract demand. Fuck M-1 and their dumbass management lol

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I keep hearing the narrative for years about how Fedor and M1 wanted too much from the UFC and the offer he received was a good one there's a lot wrong with that and I think people's bias for UFC plays a huge factor. First off M1 was the largest mma promotion in Russia that spawned many fighters over the years so they shouldn't just be dismissed as an annoyance along side UFC when it comes to negotiations, Fedor was arguably their greatest product ever and at the time was the number 1 in the world, it's crazy that Dana just though he could throw out a dollar figure and that would just be fine and dandy for M1 to just give up the greatest fighter who ever lived so UFC could just enrich themselves off of him and then when they're done just spit him out like they always did.


It's makes perfect sense for M1/Fedor to want to at least co-promote the events that he and his stable mates were featured in I think that is what any smart business man would do and find it ridiculous that people at the time and to this day think that it was crazy for them to ask to have some of their fighters signed and co-promotion after all UFC was looking to make as much as they can off of Fedor's name, M1 and Fedor's teammates should have benefitted as well in the negotiations and the co-promotions the way I remember it was just for certain events and not a long term thing where M1 owned part of UFC either way it made sense giving that the number 1 fighter in the world was in Russia at the time and was being represented by M1 the biggest promotion in Russia so why would M1 just allow that while not benefitting also Fedor's career would be under strict contract from Dana and UFC. It all came down to Dana wanted full control and all the benefits of having the number 1 fighter at the time while the other side got nothing except a few million dollars which they could have gotten elsewhere so I think the narrative is a crock of shit a and people are bias for the UFC also Fedor and his team made the right move not going there at the time.

I hope for your sake you're financially dependent on someone. There is a whole lot of stupid written in this post and it makes me seriously worried about you.

 

[volcom5]

Fedor fought guys with over 100 lbs weight advantages on him.

we laughed and called those circus bouts back in the day, nowadays you got people claiming Hong Man Choi was a elite win. LMAO.

 

[Substance Abuse]

I didn't know Vadim posted on Suredawg. You learn something every day.

 

[HHJ]

Let us praise Fedor.

 

[nonoob]

What's your excuse for his 3 losses in a row in the U.S.? Subbed by Verdun, TKOed by Big Foot and KOed by a much smaller and older Dan Henderson.

Dana told us that guy wasn't that good.

Excuse?

Please tell me how many HW fighters have been at their peak after 33 fights

No telling how many fights the GOAT had outside of MMA.

 

[Sms_productions713]

M-1 took it too far with the Demands. If they would have kept it normal, and sign a legit contract so UFC didnt get screwed over like they did with pride, Dana would have been opened to it.

I think Dana is getting better with coming around to the idea of Co-promoting. it seems that he already with Rizin is co promoting in a way. He see's some value in them. I think KSW will be next. they are already bigger than ufc in poland and are expanding at a slow rate to where they're not losing any money. However, dana will never think of co promoting with people like M-1 or PFL

 

[Doctor Grudge]

M-1 took it too far with the Demands. If they would have kept it normal, and sign a legit contract so UFC didnt get screwed over like they did with pride, Dana would have been opened to it.

I think Dana is getting better with coming around to the idea of Co-promoting. it seems that he already with Rizin is co promoting in a way. He see's some value in them. I think KSW will be next. they are already bigger than ufc in poland and are expanding at a slow rate to where they're not losing any money. However, dana will never think of co promoting with people like M-1 or PFL

How is Dana working with KSW and Rizin? They all seem pretty independent of each other.

 

[orca]

Dana will tell us that Fedor turned down the biggest payday in history without throwing out any numbers

Meanwhile Jones turned down 30 million/confirmed it himself but baldy won't acknowledge that as the real record

so why did fedor never fought in the ufc?
fedor has a choice btw
just saying he could fight but chose not to

 

[Doctor Grudge]

so why did fedor never fought in the ufc?
fedor has a choice btw
just saying he could fight but chose not to

He was signed with M-1. Even when he was fighting in the States those shows were technically M-1 shows.

Fedor was M-1's cash cow, so he wasn't going to let go, and M-1 wasn't going to let up on trying to co-promote with the UFC which was a ridiculous demand considering how much bigger UFC is.

 

[Ibm]

We had Brock, Cain, Carwin, these guys would have certainly gave him problems.

 

[Sms_productions713]

How is Dana working with KSW and Rizin? They all seem pretty independent of each other.

well with rizin, they were showing their footage and used it as a world champion from another org. KSW, they got a good talent relatioship.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

well with rizin, they were showing their footage and used it as a world champion from another org. KSW, they got a good talent relatioship.

Well, taking fighters from their org is not necessarily co-promoting. KSW and Rizin are well aware that fighters will want to move on from them, Rizin flat out said they want their promotion to be a stepping stone.


The UFC has had Polish fighters for over 10 years and and they naturally come from KSW. I dont necessarily think that is a new thing.

I'm not sure about the Rizin thing. You mean with Kai Asukara? I assume they had no choice because Kai never fought for the UFC but was headlining. They have to buy stock footage otherwise it'd be weird.


To me a co-promotion would be a talent exchange of some sort, which I don't see happening.

 

[vintagemmafan]

I hope for your sake you're financially dependent on someone. There is a whole lot of stupid written in this post and it makes me seriously worried about you.

That's not an argument or anything so it counts for shit have a nice day.

 

[vintagemmafan]

I'm not going to say that because their terms weren't the best .... But fador had the right idea protect yourself make sure you get what you deserve. And I say it again there needs to be a fighter Union.

I agree with everything except a fighter union, there seems to be a disconnect on here and again it's blinding bias for this fukking organization it's like a mind virus if a fighter doesn't like the terms of the UFC than don't fukking work for them and support them simple as that if they dont like too fukking only a complete tard would take those shitty terms and not think of their futures just to be in the UFC. The number 1 thing I respected about Ngannou is that he left and did what was in his favor that's what these athletes need to do but there's this stupid loyalty to a brand I've never seen anything like this before in the history of mma/nhb and it's because there is big money involved now, same thing fighters will allow themselves to be used and abused like Gus who imo got screwed in the Jones fight didn't demand an instant rematch waits years later while he's taken losses and now he's irrelevant totally stupid move and it's the fault of Gus and anyone else who allows themselves to get taken advantage.

 

[vintagemmafan]

UFC should've agreed to it for 1 single fight guaranteed.

1 copromotion added for each win until Fedor loses

Pretty sure that's exactly what it was take SF they co-promoted and M1 did not own part of SF I'm almost certain they didn't, UFC is greedy and will not compromise on anything.