FBI raids office of Michael Cohen, personal attorney to Donald Trump

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Oh', I'm sorry. I missed the part where they were involved with the Trump campaign in any capacity.

I'm aware those savant Russians completely brainwashed and mind controlled America with memes and trolls, bruh.

In Canada, what does the term "Numerous indictments" mean?
 
Raiding the office, home, and hotel room of a sitting President's personal attorney has never happened before. Mueller and Rosenstein are officially on a Fishing Expedition and that is bad for the nation and the office of the Presidency.
 
Raiding the office, home, and hotel room of a sitting President's personal attorney has never happened before. Mueller and Rosenstein are officially on a Fishing Expedition and that is bad for the nation and the office of the Presidency.
Good thing Mueller didn't conduct or authorize the raid. Your beef is with SDNY. You're about 20ish hours behind on the narrative. Please read the thread or discuss in private with the other tRUmptards the game plan. Thanks
 
Good thing Mueller didn't conduct or authorize the raid. Your beef is with SDNY. You're about 20ish hours behind on the narrative. Please read the thread or discuss in private with the other tRUmptards the game plan. Thanks

It was a hand off from the Mueller team. Which makes this a Fishing Expedition just as I stated. It was approved by Rosenstein. You can't talk shit, but you apparently don't know fuckall.
 
It was a hand off from the Mueller team. Which makes this a Fishing Expedition just as I stated. It was approved by Rosenstein. You can't talk shit, but you apparently don't know fuckall.
So Mueller should have ignored the crimes?
 
Oh', I'm sorry. I missed the part where they were involved with the Trump campaign in any capacity.

From the article:
"The Justice Department charged 13 Russians and three companies on Friday in a sprawling indictment that unveiled a sophisticated network designed to subvert the 2016 election and to support the Trump campaign."

"The Russians stole the identities of American citizens, posed as political activists and used the flash points of immigration, religion and race to manipulate a campaign in which those issues were already particularly divisive, prosecutors said.

Some of the Russians were also in contact with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign,” according to court papers. Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel leading the investigation, made no accusation that President Trump or his associates were knowingly part of the conspiracy."

Does this reach your "any capacity" clause?
 
It was a hand off from the Mueller team. Which makes this a Fishing Expedition just as I stated. It was approved by Rosenstein. You can't talk shit, but you apparently don't know fuckall.
The same guy trump appointed? He got 94 votes in the senate but now he's a lib out to get trump?
 
Of course. But have you reviewed Mueller's mandate? Here it is:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;...
What his mandate DOES NOT mean if he finds a dead body or any other suspected crime he does not report it to others.

WHat his mandate DOES MEAN is that he only investigates those things but if he sees something else that he thinks is a crime he CAN and SHOULD pass it off to the proper authorities to see if they think it is worthy of pursuing.
 
It was a hand off from the Mueller team. Which makes this a Fishing Expedition just as I stated. It was approved by Rosenstein. You can't talk shit, but you apparently don't know fuckall.
No he is right and you are wrong.

Mueller has and is sticking to his mandate.

But if he comes across a buried body (literally) he cannot ignore it. As an officer of the court and the State he must report the suspected or potential crime to those who can then investigate it and decide what to do with it. The term 'hand off' here means nothing other than he said 'hey you should look at this and decide what you think should be done with it.'
 
That's one theory. Another is that he paid her of his own pocket and Trump used campaign money or his charity's money to to reimburse him. Both big no-nos.
Any source for the claim that the Trump campaign/charity reimbursed Cohen?

What his mandate DOES NOT mean if he finds a dead body or any other suspected crime he does not report it to others.

WHat his mandate DOES MEAN is that he only investigates those things but if he sees something else that he thinks is a crime he CAN and SHOULD pass it off to the proper authorities to see if they think it is worthy of pursuing.

Again, Mueller has a limited mandate. He is not authorized to look everywhere for every reason. He is tasked with investigating ties between the Trump campaign and the government of Russia. Then, if in the course of that investigation he finds evidence of criminal behavior unrelated to his core mandate, he can look into it or refer it to another office.

It's a worthwhile question to ask why Mueller would have information about Cohen in the first place, as Cohen does not appear to be affiliated with the government of Russia and does not appear to have been a member of the Trump campaign.

All of that said, the SDNY looks worse here. It's likely their prosecutors could have acquired at least some of the desired documents (bank records, tax records, phone records) through subpoenas, for example.
 
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Its amusing watching the anti trumpers bash trump supporters for being unwavering, meanwhile they are just as radical. What a stupid game.
 
Excellent interview with Alan Dershowitz given immediately after this evening's dinner with President Trump:

Isaac Chotiner: Just to make sure: Did you have dinner with the president?

Alan Dershowitz: I spent much of the day in the White House today. This was a pre-scheduled meeting to talk to the White House staff members about ongoing efforts to come to an agreement on the Middle East. This is the third time I have met about the Middle East, and I hope to continue to have some input on the Middle East. This is the fourth president I have advised on the Middle East. And that’s the reason I came to the White House.


After this was all scheduled, the president then invited me to join him and others for dinner tonight, which I did, and we continued to discuss the Middle East and Syria and Iran and the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Did you discuss anything about the Mueller investigation or the raid on Michael Cohen’s office?

All I’m prepared to say on that is that I did not give the president legal advice. I don’t give anybody legal advice unless I am their lawyer. I am not his lawyer. I’m not in a lawyer-client relationship with him. I had no kind of legal conversation with anybody in the White House, or give legal advice to anybody in the White House, about the ongoing investigation.

Is there a distinction between giving someone legal advice and talking to them about their legal matters in a way they could find helpful?

Well, I talk to the president on television all the time. Apparently he listens. I get on television and I state what I think is going on. And anybody can listen, and I very purposely do it publicly so nobody mistakes it for legal advice. And I will continue to do that. I feel strongly about what’s going on and I share my views widely, publicly, and I know the president sometimes listens. He has said to me that sometimes he agrees with what I said and sometimes he disagrees.



Did you give any advice or talk about that tonight?

I can’t tell you what I talked about. I can just tell you I didn’t give any legal advice.

Do you think the president is going to fire Rod Rosenstein or going to try to fire Robert Mueller?

I have no idea, but I think it would be a mistake to do that.

Why?

Because I think that it would be perceived as political and I think a lot of Republicans would be concerned about that. I think it would be a political mistake to do that. I think his much better course is to proceed with the investigation, and tell the truth. He shouldn’t testify unless he has to. Nobody ever should. Nobody who is the subject of an investigation should ever testify. It never does you any good. They are not asking you to testify to help yourself; they are asking you to testify to help the prosecution. But he may have no choice because they can subpoena him.

But if you were advising him—pretend this is a television show—you would advise him not to fire them and cooperate?

I would say not to fire. I have already said it on television. My advice would be don’t fire, don’t pardon, don’t tweet, and don’t testify.

What was your sense of the president’s state of mind tonight?

I can’t judge that. He seemed upbeat about the Middle East when we talked about it.

Upbeat about the Middle East? Really?

Yeah.

He’s maybe the only one. But you are a smart guy.

I’m not a psychologist. I’m a lawyer.

You are smart enough to know that the best way to talk to him is via television.


It might not be the best way; it’s the way I want to do it. I want to maintain my independence. I want to be critical of him when it’s warranted, and supportive of him when it’s warranted. I’m a liberal Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton and I praise him when he deserves praise—like when he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel—and I criticize him when I think he deserves criticism, as when he had the travel ban, and other actions which I disagree with.

There are a lot of reports that the president is furious, he is seething—

I didn’t see that. I didn’t see fury, seething. But remember, I’m a stranger, he wouldn’t show that to me.

The president has been, in an unprecedented way, attacking the Justice Department, the FBI, law enforcement officials—

Sounds like me. I have been doing this for 53 years. The only thing that has changed is that now conservatives have become civil libertarians, and liberals have become strong supporters of law enforcement, the Justice Department, and the FBI. I have been consistently a critic of law enforcement and the FBI for 53 years.

Professor, we both know why conservatives are criticizing the FBI right now, and it’s not because they have become critical of law enforcement, and we both know liberals are not defending everything that has gone on with the law enforcement community.

Yes, they are.

They think the independence of the Mueller investigation should be upheld.

I don’t agree with that at all. I think everybody is taking sides. Let me put it this way: If President Hillary Clinton’s lawyers’ office and hotel room had been raided like President Trump’s was yesterday, the ACLU would be up in arms, the liberal bar would be up in arms, privacy advocates would be up in arms. The silence of the ACLU and others is deafening. I’m sorry, I don’t agree with you.



It’s just that it is Trump. What’s happened is that the world is now divided and you have to choose sides.

I’m excited to hear the president start to speak out against police shootings of unarmed African Americans now that he has become such a civil libertarian. Any day now.

Well I haven’t said that.

You said everyone has switched sides.

Everyone has become hypocritical when it serves their interests. They are fair-weather civil libertarians or fair-weather supporters of Justice and the FBI.

You say you have been criticizing aspects of the criminal justice system for 53 years. I think the president doing it when there is an investigation about him is different.

I agree with you, and I think there was a difference when Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton did it when he was being investigated.

Uhhhh—

I am a neutral, non-political observer.

So, you are not at all worried about the ways that the president is attacking the Justice Department?

Of course I am. It bothers me and it bothered me when Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton did it as well. I think selected, targeted, nuanced criticism of the Justice Department is very healthy. I think criticism of yesterday’s raid is a very healthy thing. It should not have been a first resort. It should have been a last resort. Many of the materials they could have obtained through other—

You don’t know all this.

Well I know quite a bit about it. I know they went after bank records, for example. Bank records could be gotten from banks. I am told they went after tax records. Tax records could be gotten from the tax authorities. And I know they went after conversations between a lawyer and a client, and if that had happened to anyone else but Trump, I think we would be seeing a lot of people concerned about that.


Why do you think that a Republican FBI director and a Republican deputy attorney general, if everyone has switched on this issue, would okay this given the high standards you need for such a warrant?

Because I think that prosecutors, particularly prosecutors to a special counsel, tend to become zealots. And I don’t believe that Mueller is partisan. I don’t believe that the deputy attorney general is partisan. I don’t believe that Comey was partisan. I believe they were zealous prosecutors. And zealous prosecutors often compromise civil liberties, and I think we should call them on it whether they are going after Republicans or Democrats.

Do you feel like we are at a dangerous moment for American democracy right now?

I do. We are. I wrote a book about it.

I mean involving the man in the White House and the decisions he might make.

I think we are generally in a dangerous place on all sides. I think we are seeing overzealous prosecution. Look, I didn’t vote for Donald Trump and he wouldn’t be my choice for president, but I’m a civil libertarian first, and my interest in politics comes second.

Does Trump ever ask you for advice?

He certainly has never asked me for legal advice. He has asked me for advice, obviously, about the Middle East.

He doesn’t think Jared can handle it on his own?

I mean, that’s really a snotty question. You think that if two people ask for advice about the Middle East—it’s like the old joke: A mother buys the son two ties and he wears one of them, and she says, “What’s the matter? You didn’t like the other one?”

I was making a joke.

Well that’s fine. But it’s better to seek advice from many people. And Jared also asked my advice. And Jason also asked my advice.

Jason Greenblatt, [the Middle East envoy]?

Yeah. And President Obama asked my advice. And Obama’s national security people asked my advice. And Bill Clinton asked my advice. And Bill Clinton’s national security people asked my advice. And President Bush asked my advice.

If President Trump moves this week to fire people in the Justice Department or end the Mueller investigation, are you planning to speak out against that as a mistake and say it is something that should not have happened?

Of course I will. Yeah.
 
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Its amusing watching the anti trumpers bash trump supporters for being unwavering, meanwhile they are just as radical. What a stupid game.
Does Trump have good qualities? Is supporting him actually logical? Perhaps is the "unwavering" criticisms of him are not only warranted but in fact just. Don't forget these victim playing trump people demanded an impeachment of Obama for 8 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Barack_Obama
 
So Mueller should have ignored the crimes?

Republican posters here are just proving what we all suspected.

No matter what crimes Trump committed they don't care.
He's "innocent" yet can have a laundry list of crimes hidden but still have their 100% support.

They never wanted him investigated because they didn't care if anything concrete was found. Cult followers till the very end.

Should we be surprised? Republicans have shown in the past year to support a :eek::eek::eek::eek: in Roy Moore & criminal in Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

They lost the moral high ground a long time ago.

Trump is keeping around Scott Pruitt because he's the axe man in waiting. AG needs to be a licensed to practice lawyer and there is only two in Trump's cabinet - Pruitt and the Labor Secretary.

Trump fired Price and the VA guy for much less - he's defending Pruitt because he needs him.

That's an interesting point. I was wondering why Trump was holding on to Pruitt. Even Fox News couldn't defend his corruption and over spending.

I dont speak often about other countries or give opinion on their leaders or how their government operates .

Same few posters who arent even American spewing u.s. politics.

And they are going to tell me I have a lot to say about other countries.

Ohhhh f*ck OFF!!!!

Exposed as a liar and shitposter. Incoming....

You talk shit about a bunch of other countries. You're the biggest U.S. nationalist here. With posts reeking of racism and bigotry.

France, Germany:

Like France. Germany and the German men look weak. They look like a conquered nation with their leader doing damage control.

Canada:

Starting to really hate Canada

Sweden:

So what if Sweden is a country, cause I called it the rape capital?
Number 1 rape country is better

China & Russia:

I heard China and Russia killed more of their own people then hitler tried to...

Australia:

What is an Afghan doing in Australia?

And finally my favourite that highlights your racist shitposting.

Africa:

there are more countries especially in Africa and the middle east that will attack you if you are white.

Whites in Africa.. that's cray cray

Cultures are judged by the way their socities have evolved.
Take a look at Africa?

Not all cultures are equal, some are smarter and harder workers then others

You're a racist piece of shit.

I don't know why you're not banned yet.

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Also you can't spell. Which makes me think you're either retarded or a teenager. I suspect both.
 
I didn't say covered up, I said trying to keep illegal activity from being investigated, which is why Comey started leaking his memos soon after he was fired (not to mention Brennan's accusations in his rage tweet) to keep the investigation going. We only know what has been disclosed, but so on the US side far we have three guilty pleas from people inside Trump's campaign, Manafort in deep shit, Erik Prince being investigated, Cohen in deep shit for something that may or may not be related to Russia but is apparently quite illegal and quite distressing to Trump, and Mueller wanting to depose Trump. That is off the top of my head, but I think there are more issues.

As for Manafort, I agree that Trump has had his staffing issues, but Manafort was his campaign manager and a known guy in the GOP. I think as the investigation expanded and more was known, possibly including intel from Flynn flipping, things got worse quickly for Manafort.
I don't really disagree with most of this, but I'll nitpick a little.

I didn't say covered up, I said trying to keep illegal activity from being investigated,

I'm usually the guy around here who appreciates slight distinctions, and I hate to mischaracterize others, but the difference between "covering something up" and "trying to keep something from being investigated" is too tiny for me to understand. I am willing to try.



so far we have three guilty pleas from people inside Trump's campaign

Two is the right number. Papadopolous was not paid by the campaign and didn't have a campaign e-mail address or office. He was a low-level volunteer.

None of the three guilty pleas are a good sign for Mueller. He' s getting people for lying under oath. That makes them useless as witnesses against the higher-ups.
 
Republican posters here are just proving what we all suspected.

No matter what crimes Trump committed they don't care.
He's "innocent" yet can have a laundry list of crimes hidden but still have their 100% support.

They never wanted him investigated because they didn't care if anything concrete was found. Cult followers till the very end.

Should we be surprised? Republicans have shown in the past year to support a :eek::eek::eek::eek: in Roy Moore & criminal in Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

They lost the moral high ground a long time ago.



That's an interesting point. I was wondering why Trump was holding on to Pruitt. Even Fox News couldn't defend his corruption and over spending.



Ohhhh f*ck OFF!!!!

Exposed as a liar and shitposter. Incoming....

You talk shit about a bunch of other countries. You're the biggest U.S. nationalist here. With posts reeking of racism and bigotry.

France, Germany:



Canada:



Sweden:



China & Russia:



Australia:



And finally my favourite that highlights your racist shitposting.

Africa:







You're a racist piece of shit.

I don't know why you're not banned yet.

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Also you can't spell. Which makes me think you're either retarded or a teenager. I suspect both.

Fuck me that was brutal. Massive thumbs up for the effort in collecting his dumb shit and presenting it like this

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Republican posters here are just proving what we all suspected.

No matter what crimes Trump committed they don't care.
He's "innocent" yet can have a laundry list of crimes hidden but still have their 100% support.

They never wanted him investigated because they didn't care if anything concrete was found. Cult followers till the very end.

Should we be surprised? Republicans have shown in the past year to support a :eek::eek::eek::eek: in Roy Moore & criminal in Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

They lost the moral high ground a long time ago.



That's an interesting point. I was wondering why Trump was holding on to Pruitt. Even Fox News couldn't defend his corruption and over spending.



Ohhhh f*ck OFF!!!!

Exposed as a liar and shitposter. Incoming....

You talk shit about a bunch of other countries. You're the biggest U.S. nationalist here. With posts reeking of racism and bigotry.

France, Germany:



Canada:



Sweden:



China & Russia:



Australia:



And finally my favourite that highlights your racist shitposting.

Africa:







You're a racist piece of shit.

I don't know why you're not banned yet.

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Also you can't spell. Which makes me think you're either retarded or a teenager. I suspect both.
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Force? Wtf lol. Bunch of jealous bitches who are obsessed with our country.

Grow up.
Are you going to attempt to deny that your government, your leaders and your mass media exert a great deal of influence beyond your borders?
Further, don't you think one would be wise to pay attention to, and exert whatever influence one can manage over, those that have influence over us?

The disparity of influence ( in basically any field or industry you could care to name) between America and any other individual nation has been ridiculous over the last, what, 70-ish years. That's not jealousy talking - that's simply an observation of the obvious.

When America's leaders make decisions, the rest of us will often have to shoulder some of the consequences of those decisions - often in ways that your geographical isolation and wealth mean you never have to deal with to the same extent. On top of that, you're the most well-marketed nation in the world, and your culture is exported across the globe in the form of movies, series and music.
Your leaders and your financial industry send you into a recession, and the cost of living in my country goes up.
Your leaders dick around in the Middle East for 15 years, and refugees flood into Europe - likely permanently altering the course of more than one culture in both regions.
Your cops shoot your black people, and suddenly BLM pops up in all their retarded glory, inspiring copycats and wannabes around the world.
Your military and your intelligence community actively try to "spread democracy" and the rest of us have to deal with upended governments, regional destabilisation and ousted leaders.
We're all familiar with and influenced by the declining arts of America - we know at least a handful of your celebrities, your songs and your cartoon characters.

It's an interconnected world, and everyone would be wise to pay at least a little attention to what everyone else is doing - America just happens to demand more attention because it commands more influence.
Get over it.

I know yours was a throwaway comment, so I hope you don't mind that I put more than a half-second of thought into mine.
 
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