Rumored "Famous Irish Sports Star" under investigation - sexual assaults (MEGA THREAD)

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kellier said:
Hi Tim2tom,

You'd initially be cautioned regarding an offence and taken for formal questioning. Anything you say may be used as evidence against you. Thereafter, if you're arrested then the gardai can detain you for up to 24 hrs for further questioning, which is significant in this context. At the end of this detention they must either charge you or not. They can't re-arrest though and restart a fresh 24 hr holding period unless new material evidence becomes available.

I am unaware whether the alleged victim sought immediate legal representation, which would not be necessary for filing a criminal complaint. It would also contrary to the narrative of a shell shocked victim who has PTSD following a brutal sexual assault. Typically a victim would confide in a friend who would bring them to the gardai and medical professionals discreetly.

Allegedly there are numerous other points of physical evidence which would indicate that the matter was not consensual. This would include physical injuries and allegedly a foreign object which had to be removed from the victim's body by medical professionals. Pretty horrendous stuff, allegedly.
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So this person was arrested and held for 24 hrs. If he was charged they let him roam free until trial? Can he leave the country while this process is ongoing? Sorry, I am not familiar with the legal system there.
 
In my personal opinion, the nearest thing to being a credible piece of information we have is the rte leak, but unless a legal expert in that area of law can say that the only reason they have for reporting it would be because it was genuine and accurate, then I don't even believe we can count that personally
 
Dumb questions: (for people that KNOW, not for people to guess at - I can guess without help!)
  • If this goes to trial, won't paparazzi (or regular journos) get pics of Conor going into/out of the court house?
  • In the US there would be a criminal trial, but then there also could be a civil (monetary) trial. It appears that in Ireland there's only one trial and it's up to the judge of the trial to decide any monetary compensation?
  • Looking at this quote "Irish DPP Claire Loftus has been in her position for 8 years. A 2017 report states that her office received 13,666 prosecution files in 2017, 66% of the cases had a decision made on them within 4 weeks at a 94% overall conviction rate maintained." does that mean that from decided to press charges to decision, it usually takes less than 4 weeks? Or that the trial itself takes 4 weeks (but may not start for months and months after charges are decided on)? In the US the trial process, for the time charges are filed to the time a trial starts can be 12+ months. Then the trial can last quite a while. But what timeframe is "usual" in Ireland?

Interesting (but basic) legal overview here: https://www.dppireland.ie/brief-guide-to-the-criminal-justice-system/category/5/
 
I believe the accused left without being charged so would be at total liberty unless told otherwise, but i think a legal representative would argue the case. If he was charged I'm sure he would have been held in custody until a magistrates court could hear the case and then either bailed until the trial could be heard at crown court with conditions such as not being able to leave the country, but again his legal team might argue for him to be able to leave the country in order to fulfill any contractual obligations he has, or held in custody. For someone like McGregor who has enough money to pay his bail and afford a decent legal team, with international business commitments its unlikely he would be held in custody in my opinion. Thats how it would go down in the UK anyway
 
To the best of my knowledge in terms of paparazzi etc... if hes got an injunction or the law covers his identity then it may be held in secret, even give evidence via video, and whatever the journo's found out they couldnt print in any place that the law or any injunction covers. Footballers in the UK are always getting injunctions over these exact same kind of scenarios
 
And, skipping back a comment, if he was allowed to leave the country, he may have conditions such as he has to tell the police exactly where he is going to be and when, and has to present himself at a police station between set times in the places he has stated he will be at the time he has said he will be there
 
lakelander said:
In my personal opinion, the nearest thing to being a credible piece of information we have is the rte leak, but unless a legal expert in that area of law can say that the only reason they have for reporting it would be because it was genuine and accurate, then I don't even believe we can count that personally
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It wouldn't be a leak if it wasn't credible, it would be a fake document with no ties RTE made by some random person on photoshop.
 
Or someone in the rte office pissing about for a laugh and ran it off on the copier and sent it to a few mates
 
RTE have reported to the Data Privacy Commission that they had a data breach. Which means they could be subject to a 20 million Euro fine. The info about McGregor came from a court memo. So you can keep on protesting but at the very least, he was brought in for questioning.
 
I dont know the ins and outs of the law. They may have to report it cos it has their name on, they may not have to report it if it was fake, but felt it was in their best legal interests. For me, not knowing the law, I dont think there is enough information to make a conclusion without jumping the gun
 
lakelander said:
Or someone in the rte office pissing about for a laugh and ran it off on the copier and sent it to a few mates
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In this unlikely scenario you present, the employee would have been fired and RTE would have come out an exposed the incident if Conor was not involved. They would have distanced themselves from it the second they were able to.

The only reason they had no comment when they were pressed about it by the press, is because he is involved and the document is legit, therefore they would be in contempt to acknowledge it.
 
If I was a journalist, I would ask someone who knows the ins and outs of that area of law and they will tell you if the only reason is cos its genuine or not and if they say yes, then you have got to the bottom of it. Im not protesting anything I am just exploring all the possibilities before making a conclusion
 
That may well indeed be so O'Kane, but I don't have the legal knowledge to say that for sure, and I know for a fact the law does not follow the same logical thinking as you my friend. Its a very complex and merky minefield that takes a knowledge of a very specific area of the law to understand
 
O'Kane said:
In this unlikely scenario you present, the employee would have been fired and RTE would have come out an exposed the incident if Conor was not involved. They would have distanced themselves from it the second they were able to.

The only reason they had no comment when they were pressed about it by the press, is because he is involved and the document is legit, therefore they would be in contempt to acknowledge it.
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It is as close to confirmation we're going to get that Conor is the accused until the rest of the story comes out, or there is another even bigger leak.
 
closer would be if we could find a legal expert in this area to confirm that the leak could only be genuine AND accurate, i.e. its genuinely from rte and true that mcgregor was arrested, based upon the fact that there would be no other reason for rte to report it. if we got that then that it is confirmation
 
Although only confirmation that he was arrested for questioning over it. Not necessarily that he was the accused
 
As I mentioned much earlier on in the thread, I was questioned over a rape case because i was with the women earlier on in the evening that the alleged incident occurred, despite not being the accused. Although I was not arrested, the police man did want me to travel halfway across the country to be interviewed in person, although in the end they agreed to take a statement on the phone
 
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