Well, the "reality" is that they exist in two different eras, so all we can really do is speculate. But Armstrong was insanely successful at welterweight. Tito would be bigger and more powerful, but I definitely wouldn't see him "slaughtering" Henry. Armstrong is clearly the superior inside fighter between the two and Tito Trinidad isn't the best at dictating range against people at Armstrong's skill level. Tito's size would definitely help him, as would his power, but those are just two factors among many.
Yeah, I don't necessarily think that Tito beats Napoles. Look at Napoles versus Monzon. This isn't to crap on Tito. I just don't think he's close to the greatest welterweight of all-time. I also think if Whittaker caught him a little earlier he would have outboxed him pretty decisively. His win over Whittaker was great, but it was a broken down Whittaker.
Far better, given that it was an actual win.
this is laughably confident & matter-of-fact for being so based on opinion. a top 5 ww list is far from set in stone, although robinson & leonard should absolutely be in everyone’s top 5.
well tito’s was an actual win too. like it or not, he did enough to convince the only judges that matter that he won the fight. that’s the same criteria necessary for every decision win. you and i might disagree with the judges but he deserves credit for accomplishing what he did.
Well, then I would just say, Hearns' win was clear and decisive. He kept Benitez on the outside and jabbed his way to victory. Meanwhile, against Oscar, Tito was outlanded by close to 100 punches and was essentially ineffectual offensively for the entire fight. So they aren't comparable performances, other than that they both may have disappointed fans in search of fireworks.
Spence? <puh-lease75>
if spence beats crawford handily he absolutely has a case for top 10 ww
I think Hearns edges Tito especially at 154. At that weight Tommy was a wrecking machine.
Hopefully that fight gets made.
oh for sure, i definitely agree. i think hearns was obviously more impressive in dissecting a nearly perfect defensive fighter in his prime, re: benitez. as for ATG rankings at WW i think benitez and DLH are on a similar level though, so i think a W by decision over either should bolster one’s resume nigh-equally.
i did forget about that, but both men were longtime welterweights. mayweather/cotto was at 154 as well but i think the fight has merit in discussions about both fighters in the context of their overall careers, and 7 more pounds of water and fat on two grown men don’t really make me think the fight would unfold any differently without it.
agreed. and i should correct myself, he doesn’t even have to beat him handily. even a close competitive decision win would catapult him into those discussions. he would have beaten porter, garcia (danny), and crawford. all of whom are welterweight champs who have been top 10 pound for pound in this era. throw in complementary wins over algieri, brook, and mikey, and his resumé is quite impressive.
I think Tommy and Tito put on muscle at 154. It's too bad Tito didn't stay there longer. IMO DLH was at his best at 140.
He needs a win over Crawford but I think he still has a ways to go after that to catch up to Canelo. I think some good wins at 154 would help his case a lot.
canelo is out far and ahead resumé-wise. he’s already a top 50-75 p4p fighter of all time, easily. could be top ten once it’s all said and done. i just meant spence is the closest to top ten for welterweights.
As far as top ten all time WWs I still don't know. Mikey might be his best opponent but he's a LW.
