Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[HenryFlower]

Rent?

yes, you know, the thing where you pay x amount of money to temporarily have access to something

 

[Bob Gray]

Framing someone else?
Ok, enlighten me. Who did they frame for multiple murders of Jedi with a lightsaber so that other Jedi would buy it?

Sol, the main jedi character that got killed.

 

[Falsedawn]

I never said they were, or insinuated as such.




"Always two there are. No more no less. A master and an apprentice." - Yoda, Ep1.

Here's the thing... with the events of the finale of 'The Rule of Two' (2nd book) the Jedi are sarisfied that the last of the Sith are finally extinct. But also it was a pretty short timeframe from the Thought Bomb (Finale of Book 1) and the finale of the 2nd book, to justify Yoda's certainty of "Always two there are" since the Jedi only had one interraction with the Sith in a millenium which they believed they were all killed off.

At some point that knowledge would be revealed to the Jedi that the 'extinct' Sith worked in pairs.

Read Star Wars: Yoda. Yoda found out, the Jedi at large refused to believe him because "the Sith were extinct". He even has a battle with Dooku where he admits that he refused to believe Dooku was falling to the darkside because he was "blinded by the light". The Jedi aren't immune to hubris.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Read Star Wars: Yoda. Yoda found out, the Jedi at large refused to believe him because "the Sith were extinct". He even has a battle with Dooku where he admits that he refused to believe Dooku was falling to the darkside because he was "blinded by the light". The Jedi aren't immune to hubris.

That's an EU book I own buy haven't gone around to reading. I'll remedy that in the next few weeks.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Sol, the main jedi character that got killed.

Ummmm... yeah.... that'd be believable to the Jedi Council.

 

[Madmick]

Have you broken, Mick, lol

I'm not the one who moves the goalposts. The pro-woke camp complains about movies, asserts movies are doing strong business, either specifically woke films, or categorically, but the moment you point out this is a falsehood, they suddenly start talking about TV. What point is there in further debating when they concede, then tuck tail?

Then you shift to discussing woke premium streaming content...

The Real Reason For Disney's $11 Billion Streaming Losses​

...and they'll again implicitly concede by moving on to some entirely new argument.

I'm not interested in entertaining arguments borne by ignorant posters. The entertainment industry is a vast, international enterprise, now. Netflix doesn't just stream to Americans. It streams all over the world. Much of the content between regions isn't the same. And much of that content isn't produced in L.A., anymore, or other bastions controlled by woke executives. The world's economy is maturing which is drastically increasing the potential consumers for luxuries like media entertainment, this is the most direct reason for broader growth, and yet consumers are oversaturated with content that costs too much to produce which is why companies like Disney may grow revenue, but still lose money.

That's a daunting network of weeds to disentangle-- maybe impossible. So it makes the most sense to focus specifically on #woke content. Those who are pro-#woke then immediately try to claim content which performed well, but hasn't seen a vocal pushback from those who are anti-woke, as "woke". They even start talking about content released decades ago before the anti-#woke sentiment coalesced like Aliens, LOL. Obviously that doesn't make sense. What makes the most sense is to look at content that is explicitly pushing a political agenda, that has seen a trend of irritation, then look at how that has performed.

That content has performed terribly.

 

[Bob Gray]

Ummmm... yeah.... that'd be believable to the Jedi Council.

You would know, having not watched it and all.

It's not a big deal. You're saying it breaks canon and it doesnt. Can you accept that or not? Because you're basically doing exactly what @deviake is talking about in the thread. Getting bent out of shape over what someone on youtube told you as opposed to having any actual knowledge or insight.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I'm not the one who moves the goalposts. The pro-woke camp complains about movies, asserts movies are doing strong business, either specifically woke films, or categorically, but the moment you point out this is a falsehood, they suddenly start talking about TV. What point is there in further debating when they concede, then tuck tail?

Then you shift to discussing woke premium streaming content...

The Real Reason For Disney's $11 Billion Streaming Losses​

...and they'll again implicitly concede by moving on to some entirely new argument.

I'm not interested in entertaining arguments borne by ignorant posters. The entertainment industry is a vast, international enterprise, now. Netflix doesn't just stream to Americans. It streams all over the world. Much of the content between regions isn't the same. The world's economy is maturing which is drastically increasing the potential consumers for luxuries like media entertainment, this is a more direct reason growth, and yet consumers are oversaturated with content that costs too much to produce which is why companies like Disney may grow revenue, but still lose money.

So it makes the most sense to focus specifically on #woke content. Those who are pro-#woke then immediately try to claim content which performed well, but hasn't seen a vocal pushback from those who are anti-woke, as "woke". Theyeven start talking about content released decades ago before the anti-#woke sentiment coalesced like Aliens, LOL. Obviously that doesn't make sense. What makes the most sense is to look at content that is explicitly pushing a political agenda, and has seen a trend of irritation, then look at how that has performed.

That content has performed terribly.

I sorta see it but I don't know you seem to be carpet bombing the forum with 'concession accepted lol

I think media has been changing pretty dramatically. I would argue, if I had to argue something, that there isn't a hard line so it's disingenuous to argue this is definitely woke but this isn't.

If there are more films with female or black leads then any and all of them might be one guys version of woke. It's an agenda, or something. House of the Dragons is woke compared to GoT, Guardians has been displaying serious wokisms, but are they fully woke?

Who cares.

If it's good, good, if it's crap, people will point to agendas to try and explain why. Seems unnecessary and dishonest. In reality, it's probably just crap. Hollywood has been producing dogshit movies forever. TV sucked absolute ass in the 90s. It's better than its ever been APART FROM accessing content, and you're right on that one, it's all very oversturated and the market itself kinda sucks.

 

[Madmick]

I sorta see it but I don't know you seem to be carpet bombing the forum with 'concession accepted lol

I think media has been changing pretty dramatically. I would argue, if I had to argue something, that there isn't a hard line so it's disingenuous to argue this is definitely woke but this isn't.

If there are more films with female or black leads then any and all of them might be one guys version of woke. It's an agenda, or something. House of the Dragons is woke compared to GoT, Guardians has been displaying serious wokisms, but are they fully woke?

Who cares.

If it's good, good, if it's crap, people will point to agendas to try and explain why. Seems unnecessary and dishonest. In reality, it's probably just crap. Hollywood has been producing dogshit movies forever. TV sucked absolute ass in the 90s. It's better than its ever been APART FROM accessing content, and you're right on that one, it's all very oversturated and the market itself kinda sucks.

When posts concede the main point they originally contended, even implicitly, I'm going to accept the concession.

I don't care if that bothers you.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

When posts concede the main point they originally contended, even implicitly, I'm going to accept the concession.

I don't care if that bothers you.

It comes across as weird if a poster strings a bunch of points together in the middle of a debate but you've arbitrarily zoned in on just one and decided that's that.

It's not like all your posts are concise.

It did bother me somewhat the first time I read it, but it's obviously just a quirk.

 

[Madmick]

It comes across as weird if a poster strings a bunch of points together in the middle of a debate but you've arbitrarily zoned in on just one and decided that's that.

It's not like all your posts are concise.

It did bother me somewhat the first time I read it, but it's obviously just a quirk.

There is always a central contention. My posts may be long, but that's only because they're more detailed and exhaustive in litigating that central contention.

I'm usually game to move on to accept a new, modified argument. But only if my opponent first admits he had to concede his original argument. If they don't, I'll do it for them. And yeah, I'm sure it's obnoxious. It's meant to be.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You would know, having not watched it and all.

It's not a big deal. You're saying it breaks canon and it doesnt. Can you accept that or not? Because you're basically doing exactly what @deviake is talking about in the thread. Getting bent out of shape over what someone on youtube told you as opposed to having any actual knowledge or insight.

To be clear when I said I 'haven't watched the show' I'm referring to the entirety of each episode, I've seen clips uploaded by Disney onto YouTube and Twitter to promote it, and I've seen clips of most of the plot-beats.

...and then do my best to forget most of them because this show is so bad.

The story of Master Sol killing six to eight of his fellow Jedi being believed by the Jedi Council? Obviously an example of the writing being so horrible and why basically why no one watched the show.

The Jedi may have been hubristic, but they weren't retarded.

 

[Bob Gray]

To be clear when I said I 'haven't watched the show' I'm referring to the entirety of each episode, I've seen clips uploaded by Disney onto YouTube and Twitter to promote it, and I've seen clips of most of the plot-beats.

...and then do my best to forget most of them because this show is so bad.

The story of Master Sol killing six to eight of his fellow Jedi being believed by the Jedi Council? Obviously an example of the writing being so horrible and why basically why no one watched the show.

The Jedi may have been hubristic, but they weren't retarded.

Ok, so you didn't answer the question you responded to.

The quality of the storyline is meaningless. I've already said the show is terrible numerous times for all sorts of reasons.

Are you going to accept that your point is wrong or not?

 

[SuperAlly]

People continuing with all kinds of mad, weak arguments because their own political belief systems mean they align with wokeness

House of the dragon isn’t considered woke

The acolyte absolutely broke canon and has shit writing, but you can just ignore it if you need your woke comfort blanket preserved for some reason

 

[Scerpi]

I'm not the one who moves the goalposts. The pro-woke camp complains about movies, asserts movies are doing strong business, either specifically woke films, or categorically, but the moment you point out this is a falsehood, they suddenly start talking about TV. What point is there in further debating when they concede, then tuck tail?

Then you shift to discussing woke premium streaming content...

The Real Reason For Disney's $11 Billion Streaming Losses​

...and they'll again implicitly concede by moving on to some entirely new argument.

I'm not interested in entertaining arguments borne by ignorant posters. The entertainment industry is a vast, international enterprise, now. Netflix doesn't just stream to Americans. It streams all over the world. Much of the content between regions isn't the same. And much of that content isn't produced in L.A., anymore, or other bastions controlled by woke executives. The world's economy is maturing which is drastically increasing the potential consumers for luxuries like media entertainment, this is the most direct reason for broader growth, and yet consumers are oversaturated with content that costs too much to produce which is why companies like Disney may grow revenue, but still lose money.

That's a daunting network of weeds to disentangle-- maybe impossible. So it makes the most sense to focus specifically on #woke content. Those who are pro-#woke then immediately try to claim content which performed well, but hasn't seen a vocal pushback from those who are anti-woke, as "woke". They even start talking about content released decades ago before the anti-#woke sentiment coalesced like Aliens, LOL. Obviously that doesn't make sense. What makes the most sense is to look at content that is explicitly pushing a political agenda, that has seen a trend of irritation, then look at how that has performed.

That content has performed terribly.

I'm sure they canceled the recent Star Wars spin off because it was pulling in record viewing numbers.... lol

And when they finally the new Snow White... it's going to be interesting to see if it bombs horribly

The lead actress has done her best to torpedo it with her SJW nonsense

 

[DoctorTaco]

you were right, we wouldn't be getting huge box office smashes like Deadpool and Wolverine or even other movies that have enjoyed massive success at the cinema in 2024 and 2023

Deadpool is queer

 

[Bob Gray]

People continuing with all kinds of mad, weak argument ps because their own political belief systems mean they align with wokeness

House of the dragon isn’t considered woke

The acolyte absolutely broke canon and has shit writing, but you can just ignore it if you need your woke comfort blanket preserved for some reason

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[SuperAlly]

Is English not your first language Bob? If so we can cut you some slack for not being able to understand very simple language.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Deadpool is queer

Deadpool is pansexual. He'll fuck anyone who turns him on, regardless of gender.