Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[deviake]

You got to be trolling.

You have to be trolling. It was a hypothetical

Edited to be more polite

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Ideological diversity and my point still stands.

Huh?

What brings you here if you've no idea about the sport this site is all about?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

What brings you here

 

[Deleted member 585708]

"Somewhere to argue"

 

[Bob Gray]

You got to be trolling.

“The Sith have been extinct for a millennium."
- Episode 1, 1999.

And The Acolyte takes place a century before Episode 1.


Haven't seen it myself, so correct me if I'm wrong but the entire premise of the show is a tribe of lesbian witches conceive twins through the force... which Darth Palguis takes note of... and 100 years later Anakin Skywalker is conceived through the force.

Plaguis's experiments in replicating their methods resulted in Anakin Skywalker's conception.

Grand Experiment

The Grand Experiment was conceived by the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis's desire to create a life form by gaining control of the midi-chlorians, the sentient microscopic organisms that enabled certain beings to wield the power of the Force. Not only did the Dark Lord deem the project a failure, his...

starwars.fandom.com

So children born through the force, in Disney's canon, is no longer such a special thing... and it was lesbian witches's success with the conception of children through the force... that led to the events of all of George Lucas's movies.



That's worse than woke.
That's retroactively making the entire franchise's events due to a LGBTQ group.

Why are you still talking about shit you havent watched?

No. You're wrong. You're breakdown is wrong and you've been wrong about the show a bunch of times and even after I, and other other people, have explained it to you, you still don't get it. The show was terrible, but most of your criticisms don't apply. You're still harping about "lesbian witches" for fucks sake.

This is actually one instance where @deviake might actually have a point, and goddamn you for making me concede that. You're the kind of guy that just watched youtube clips and gets bent out of shape about things he doesn't actually have any knowledge of.

 

[koquerelle]

Ghost Busters 2016 is a great example of what I think people would call "woke". Dumb male character, gender swap of the cast. There's about a million reasons why it sucks that don't involve gender. Meow imagine it was well written and funny but still women. If the story is good, it's funny and charming like the original... still woke? Even if we call it woke, is anyone goin' broke? Or did it suck because of poor production and the rest was incidental?

Prey is another good one. William for example cried (and I'm sure others did) about how a small woman would stand a chance against a Predator but the whole point of the first movie is that you don't beat one with brute force like a meathead, you have to use cunning and outsmart it. Plus, as RLM pointed out, having a woman going against men telling her she can't do shit is like some 90s Disney shit, ya know, the stuff no one complains is woke, like Mulan.

Take The Acolyte. Keep everything the same except it has a coherent, well written story that makes sense and doesn't break cannon. No fire in space, dumb jail break, stupid killing of Trinity, the sisters don't contradict their own characters, etc. And when I say everything I even mean even the interview that people cry about where Headland calls R2D2 a lesbian. Still woke or nah?

So, if The Acolyte didn't suck, it could have been good.

 

[Bob Gray]

So, if The Acolyte didn't suck, it could have been good.

To be fair, that logic tracks pretty well.

 

[SuperAlly]

Why would someone who knows absolutely nothing at all about MMA even be here, out of curiosity?

Not clear. You are referring to yourself here right?

 

[SuperAlly]

So, if The Acolyte didn't suck, it could have been good.

People around here are Awfully defensive about a terrible show, and one of the major reasons it was terrible was the creators and staff were more interested in throwing identity politics in everyone's face than just concentrating on making good TV

The far left on here will be up in arms. But the numbers don't lie: viewers and money. Star wars, Indiana jones, LoTR etc are dying on their arse for this very reason

 

[deviake]

Why are you still talking about shit you havent watched?

No. You're wrong. You're breakdown is wrong and you've been wrong about the show a bunch of times and even after I, and other other people, have explained it to you, you still don't get it. The show was terrible, but most of your criticisms don't apply. You're still harping about "lesbian witches" for fucks sake.

This is actually one instance where @deviake might actually have a point, and goddamn you for making me concede that. You're the kind of guy that just watched youtube clips and gets bent out of shape about things he doesn't actually have any knowledge of.

I'll reply to your other post when I've time later

So, if The Acolyte didn't suck, it could have been good.

That wasn't the point. I asked if it'd still be woke if the writing was good and it didn't break cannon. You guys need to actually read what you're quoting

 

[Falsedawn]

You got to be trolling.

“The Sith have been extinct for a millennium."
- Episode 1, 1999.

And The Acolyte takes place a century before Episode 1.


Haven't seen it myself, so correct me if I'm wrong but the entire premise of the show is a tribe of lesbian witches conceive twins through the force... which Darth Palguis takes note of... and 100 years later Anakin Skywalker is conceived through the force.

Plaguis's experiments in replicating their methods resulted in Anakin Skywalker's conception.

Grand Experiment

The Grand Experiment was conceived by the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis's desire to create a life form by gaining control of the midi-chlorians, the sentient microscopic organisms that enabled certain beings to wield the power of the Force. Not only did the Dark Lord deem the project a failure, his...

starwars.fandom.com

So children born through the force, in Disney's canon, is no longer such a special thing... and it was lesbian witches's success with the conception of children through the force... that led to the events of all of George Lucas's movies.



That's worse than woke.
That's retroactively making the entire franchise's events due to a LGBTQ group.

Uh, the Sith were never extinct?

The jedi THOUGHT the Sith were extinct because they could no longer detect them through the force. They had no understanding of what Darth Bane did with the Rule of Two and that the Sith were still extant and active. There was an unbroken line in the Order of Sith Lords until Darth Vader who broke the lineage and "brought balance to the force".

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

"Somewhere to argue"

How is that ideological monocuture working out for the Internet and the electorate?

 

[panamaican]

That'll be why the Acolyte has been renewed for another season too

Yeah, you got me...that one Disney show that got cancelled tells us the whole story while all of the other "woke" shows that ran for years can just be ignored.

Let me say the point more directly. If going woke meant going broke then the majority of Hollywood productions would be anti-woke products because the woke products would eventually drive their producers out of business. Capitalism would end woke productions as a legitimate production decision. We'd get a few woke products here and there but largely not because studios couldn't afford to lose money on them over and over again.

 

[panamaican]

Waiting for what? A 40-year domestic box office revenue low? Because that happened. Still hasn't recovered. Let's skip ahead to where you scapegoat COVID as an out for your ridiculous argument that could only have been made because you were too lazy, ignorant, and oblivious to box office proceeds to realize it walked itself off a cliff. Kind of a stupid argument to make since you're just gonna backpedal now, and whine about COVID, eh?

Then let's visit how even that isn't an out:

• For two decades straight from 1985 to 2004 the domestic box office grew every single year.
• In fact, from 1977 to 2013, the latter when the term woke first gained traction in online searches, it grew by an average of 21.2% every year.
• From 2013 to 2019, on the other hand, half of those six years it shrank rather than grew. Across those years, the average change was just +0.75% per year. That's unadjusted for inflation. If adjusted, Hollywood's revenues were diminishing.

And that last period is with the MCU carrying the industry. Generally speaking, this is not an IP associated with wokeism. That's why we tend to focus on the individual performances of movies characterized by "woke" programming. They don't do well. Generally, they're doing poorly, and they're alienating moviegoers.

Hollywood produces more than just movies. And you're smart enough to know better than to attribute the reduction in box office receipts to political positions. The impact of streaming content on movie studios is well known.

But I've long ago stopped expecting better from you.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Yeah, you got me...that one Disney show that got cancelled tells us the whole story while all of the other "woke" shows that ran for years can just be ignored.

Let me say the point more directly. If going woke meant going broke then the majority of Hollywood productions would be anti-woke products because the woke products would eventually drive their producers out of business. Capitalism would end woke productions as a legitimate production decision. We'd get a few woke products here and there but largely not because studios couldn't afford to lose money on them over and over again.

It is happening.

No Star Wars movie for how many years after it was planned one a year.

Look at the Transformers animated movie compared to the last Transformers movie.

You do realize that the founders would find the current IP and trademark protections insane. The whole industry would look different if IP laws would would be different.

 

[Madmick]

Hollywood produces more than just movies. And you're smart enough to know better than to attribute the reduction in box office receipts to political positions. The impact of streaming content on movie studios is well known.

But I've long ago stopped expecting better from you.

Concession accepted.

 

[HenryFlower]

Hollywood produces more than just movies. And you're smart enough to know better than to attribute the reduction in box office receipts to political positions. The impact of streaming content on movie studios is well known.

But I've long ago stopped expecting better from you.

nope! it’s clearly the woke content that is tanking box office revenue, not the fact that having access to new releases from the comfort of your home is more prolific than ever!

 

[SuperAlly]

Yeah, you got me...that one Disney show that got cancelled tells us the whole story while all of the other "woke" shows that ran for years can just be ignored.

Let me say the point more directly. If going woke meant going broke then the majority of Hollywood productions would be anti-woke products because the woke products would eventually drive their producers out of business. Capitalism would end woke productions as a legitimate production decision. We'd get a few woke products here and there but largely not because studios couldn't afford to lose money on them over and over again.

You honestly think making shows based on ramming your politics down people's throats rather than on making good entertainment first and foremost is going well?

When you have enormous captive fanbases like Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana etc you will get away with a number of projects because people are invested in these IPs and want them to be good. So you don't only get one chance. You get a few. But each time you make a Rey movie, an Acolyte, an Ashoka, you lose more and more of that fanbase until the numbers stop adding up - and then things get cancelled

If you want to pretend Hollywood, Disney and woke identity politics entertainment isn't destroying formerly enormous and hugely successful IPs that's up to you.

I can just keep screaming water isn't wet. But everyone else isn't obliged to ignore the obvious and agree with me

 

[SuperAlly]

Hollywood produces more than just movies. And you're smart enough to know better than to attribute the reduction in box office receipts to political positions. The impact of streaming content on movie studios is well known.

But I've long ago stopped expecting better from you.

The cope is strong in this one

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

nope! it’s clearly the woke content that is tanking box office revenue, not the fact that having access to new releases from the comfort of your home is more prolific than ever!

What do you mean ever?

Nflix is how old? Torrenting is how old?