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Opinion Explain the Great Reset to me

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Hellowhosthat, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. The XL Red Belt

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    The same elites who have been responsible for all the economic chaos and all the wealth redistribution to the rich before Covid and especially during it are naturally going to make things better after it
     
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  2. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    your thought processes don't add up though. the whole conservative notion seems to be based on survival of the fittest (not a notion ever worth positing) or lies told about kids filling those jobs (not how it works out on the ground in reality). conservatives also very cruelly make fun of people for being stupid or dumb like that would be the persons fault who was born with low intelligence... around 20% of the country is low intelligence, below the low point of average. what about those people? fuck them? let them be poor their whole life for losing the lottery of genetics?

    i think if a person works full time they should have enough money to own a home and not be doomed to a renters class lifestyle building no equity and with no chance to pass anything on to the next generation. they should also have quality health insurance, be able to afford a car, and have some kids.

    they would not have the extra money laying around for vacations and toys and things (they would still be poor) but the basics of life that allow the freedom to live a happy useful and good life should be in place for every full time worker no matter how low iq they are, or broken by upbringing, or slow they are to wise up, or held back by poor choices.

    i disagree that there is not enough wealth at the top to make this happen and i also roundly disavow any argument that this is a form of charity. it isn't. its the end of taking advantage of the least among us and bleeding off of their labor so that others can enjoy an undeserved level of living, a level of living that i consider to be parasitical.

    there are all kinds of creative solutions that together could make this goal an easy one to fill, its not just about income. just changing housing zoning laws alone, crafted by land developer and shit bag politicians to make housing unaffordable by maximizing profits and to bolster the owners class hold over the poor, could go a long way towards fulfilling this goal.

    if we wanted to ensure that the least among us has these basic levels of dignity and living conditions it would be very easy to accomplish but a society that did this would have to have goals that were not self centered and evil.


    also as a christian i worry for the souls of the wealthy who have a legitimate moral dilemma facing them in the afterlife as jesus has stated very clearly that it is nearly impossible for a rich person to get into heavan. he also tells stories of the rich, burning and separated by a great and impassable chasm from heavan, and how no one will be able to help them cross. presumably because of the great evil of having absurd amounts of money you can never spend or use and not giving it to the starving and the sick.

    i want to help these very rich people not die spiritually and incur tremendous debt for letting people die when they could so easily solve it and help.
     
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  3. Papi Chulo Green Belt

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    Hypocritical much?

     
  4. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    damn you are dumb man..... now just tie that to where i think any of you deserves to be poor and taken advantage of your whole life and you would have a point. but i get it man sesame street level, one if these things is not like the other, is not developed in you yet.
     
  5. Papi Chulo Green Belt

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    Hypocritical again, calling us stupid and dumb.
     
  6. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    its not an insult. its a descriptor. also hypocritical doesn't fit and i just showed you why. im sure you just dont understand the point. its ok though. i think you still deserve a decent life.
     
  7. Hellowhosthat Gold Belt

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    Interestingly, one of the goals of the great reset as far as I can tell is to greatly increase access to high speed internet to communities around the world.

    So hopefully that percentage will go up significantly.
     
  8. Hellowhosthat Gold Belt

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    Wouldn't that make you a libertarian rather than a conservative?

    Anyway the last one I watched had a couple of WEF guys, the president/prime minister of Columbia, the President of Rwanda, Benjamin Netanyahu and a few business leaders.

    Not exactly a bunch of commies.
     
  9. Hellowhosthat Gold Belt

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    You're pretty much the least Christian Christian I've ever come across tbh.
     
  10. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    My thought process adds up just fine, with actual numbers to back them up. Yours is based on blending the worst aspects of entirely different groups of people to create some imaginary noble victim of that darn capitalism. We already do have a generous benefits package for people unable to work. The global GDP per capita is like 18k, and you can get up to double that in the US for not working at all if you're disabled. We also have medicaid, public housing, public schools, food stamps for the poor, medicare and social security for the elderly. What group specifically are you talking about being left to die in ditches with nothing available to them? Also, the criteria I gave in my previous post is not based on "survival of the fittest", it's based on the left wing brookings institute's criteria for achieving at least middle class status.

    If we're not actually talking about "the least among us", and are instead talking about kids and people who intentionally sabotage themselves, do you think first year cashiers at a fast food place should be able to buy houses, cars, and pay for several kids working that job forever? It's very difficult to stay in that position long-term and somehow not get promoted to manager. And like 90% of large and mid size employers already do offer medical benefits to employees.

    And back to the Global GDP per capita of 18k.
    GDP per capita for just the US is like 60k, and the biggest factor for income level is age.
    Since the US GDP per capita is 60k, That is the absolute maximum you could lift poor people up to, and that is nowhere close to possible or even in the ballpark of reasonable because that would require a 50 year old who's been a surgeon for 20 years to be paid the same as a 20 year old working his first job at gamestop, as well as people who don't even work, and it would also assume that anybody would ever want to start or run a business, take any risk, or have any professional responsibility at all with absolutely 0 potential upside.

    The reason for the "CEOs make ____ times as much as their average worker" that always get repeated is because companies are bigger and CEOs are in charge of more people than any previous point. The example I've given several times on here is Walmart. The CEO's total compensation last year was $22.1 million. While it's true that's comically higher than a greeter or cashier in one the stores, they also have 2.3 million employees, so taking the CEO's entire compensation and forcing him to work for free to spread to the employees would give each employee a bonus of less than $10/year.

    Also, not everyone wants to own a home. Not everyone lives in the same place their whole lives, and you lose more money buying and selling a house every time you move than you would have renting. Buying a house isn't a positive investment unless you'll be in it for at least 4-5 years.
     
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  11. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    but we are talking about the least among us and not about kids. you just made that up and its a lie to throw the conversation off kilter.

    and yes a cashier at full pay ought to be able to buy and afford a home. weather or not they choose to do so is up to them and should be their choice. as for who are the least among us, well its people of low intelligence as there are a significant amount of them in this county who can/will never be able work more than a menial job. then there are the terribly abused who enter adulthood developmentally stunted and for whom a basic job may be all they can do for a good long while, and then there are the mentally ill but for whom it is mild enough that they can work low paying jobs but can never do more.

    but that accepts a premise of yours that i don't accept-- that a person working full time at a menial job is a fuck up in any way at all or a victim of any kind. i don't accept that premise and think it is false and ignorant. you did nothing to change the fact that society is producing jobs that need filled, filling them with adults, and then paying them shit wages. its immoral and parasitical and i think it is also evil.


    why be so stupid though man? why act like the money that walmart employees need to have a decent wage should come from the ceo (although some should because no matter how many employees a ceo has it doesn't map with needing millions more in compensation). you are a fool if you think that a 30% increase in employees has a proportionate increase in the work a ceo does....... tragically stupid thought here man.

    but aside from that idiocy, its the profits that the company makes that need to go back into the employees and provide a living wage. and there is enough money for that. in fact using your example of walmart you, yes you, personally, do subsidize that companies profits in paying taxes for assistance programs that full time employees and part time employees of walmart require to get by.

    that's called corporate welfare and corporate welfare needs to end immediately and if that means that the warlmart family cannot be absurdly wealthy to a point where they have so much money they could not possibly spend it all then good-- fuck them. no one should be that wealthy off the backs of employees who aren't even getting by... and taxpayers should not be subsidizing that bullshit either.

    it all comes down to what kind of society we want to create and live in. for me its got to be a society based not on survival of the fittest, but one of being our brothers keepers. there is room for varying levels of wealth but only after a bare minimum is created (through the work of those same people) for the least among us or just for those who want to do something basic and focus energies elsewhere.

    and i am not talking about communism or socialism but capitalism with strict regulations to make things good for everyone involved. that is not too much to ask and honestly i see it as our moral duty. i will say again as a christian it is most needful to save the rich from deep and impossibly long term profound suffering.

    the entire premise that some should have way more than they could ever need while others work full time and don't have enough is immoral and deeply spiritually sick and evil.
     
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  12. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    Jesus christ, this has to be a parody account. You just said
    Your entire existence on here is calling everyone who doesn't have a child like view of the world stupid and idiot and immoral and evil.

    You're also a hypocrite for calling everyone above your income evil when, if you are actually upper middle class, you presumably have a nicer car than you need, live in a nicer place than you need, pay for a bunch of entertainment subscriptions, go out to eat regularly. You should be giving all that extra money to poor people instead of only being generous with strangers' money. Same applies to the entire middle class in the US. Even menial jobs in the US pay waaay more than the global average income.
    I want specifics here. How much should a kid who dropped out of HS with no prior work experience be making as a fast food cashier? How about the manager? How about the franchise owner? How about engineers? How about surgeons?

    You start running out of money if your starting point is like 50k unless your answer was the same for all of those, and why the eff would anybody hire you if your only qualification is existing, and they still have to pay you as much as someone with more education and more experience? I already said the country's gdp per capita is 60k, so it isn't possible for the starting point to be anywhere near that unless there is a money tree the rest of aren't aware of.

    Current gdp dictates the only common place for everyone to meet is poverty. If you're poor or mentally deficient, you should consider yourself pretty damn lucky for it to be in this country at this time.
     
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  13. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    ive never called anyone on here immoral or evil. ive said certain policies are immoral and evil. big difference right? right? why be a liar like your hero trump bud? only a coward needs to lie during debate.

    also you took that out of context. many conservatives make fun of people for being dumb and think those dumb people don't deserve a good living. that is not at all what i do here as i think all those people who are foolish enough to fall for trumps lies or q anon still deserve a basic level of living even if there is something so deeply wrong with them that they have lost touch with reality.

    you are a lot like trump with the lies and straw man stuff.

    secondly there is no way to break down the exact levels of income for this to happen as you damn well know as income (as i have said on here but you failed to read) is not the only driver for attaining this end. how far money goes varies wildly depending on where a person lives.

    there are lots of other areas that legislation would need to address. just one of which is zoning laws that do not allow for alternative building methods that are cheaper and that i think are intentionally exclusive to put money in the pockets of land developers and cities through property tax.

    i think government run programs where beneficiaries of alternative building methods like aircreet for example, could be required to help the next aircreet home get built is a great idea. this would be a good start for making housing extremely affordable and it would work in rural areas but also in many cities if they would zone for it. aircreet can be built by unskilled laborers and can cost less than a quarter of what it costs to build with traditional materials.

    but the point is we need to first embrace something bigger than survival of the fittest, or the greediest, or the sick enough to always think about money. we need to have bigger minds and hearts and we need to value people more than how much wealth we can accumulate.

    we need a new vision based on being our brothers keepers.
     
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  14. spacegnome Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    ^^^^^^

    you are right about one thing though. i have been pretty hard on conservatives but that is because way too many people on the right have gone overboard and are dangerously misled and dangerously deluded and even though they were always there they now have the idiot in chief to lead them down the CT road.

    its just dangerous enough to have a little venom on the fools who buy into it.
     
  15. genecop Gold Belt

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    Wanted to update this thread with a very real video..
     
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    And their "philanthropy" is more technology for the plebs (which actually is more control over the plebs).

    The elites just can't have enough. Even if you'd give them the universe, they'd still want more. No amount of money can make them immortal though and it can't help them escape God's judgement.
    Money can't buy wisdom.
     
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  17. Hellowhosthat Gold Belt

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    This dude has done less research than me and is making Youtube videos about it and I don't even consider myself especially knowledgeable about the thing.
    <{cruzshake}>
     
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  18. luckyshot The ONLY iPotWR Platinum Member

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    In true conspiracy theory fashion, many elements of the right are now claiming that the social media crackdowns that happened in response to the Capitol riot are part of the "Great Reset."

    If aliens land on Earth tomorrow, they will claim that the government response, whatever it happens to be, is also part of the "Great Reset."
     
  19. Robotnickx Banned Banned

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    You're calling people dumb while demonstrating the writing ability of a 3rd grader.

    Are you just trolling? Very confusing poster, not sure if you expect anyone to take you seriously.
     
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  20. Gutter Chris Circus Ninja Southwest Voodoo Wizard

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    When has the world not been in a state of chaos

    How fucking big or a narcissist do you gotta be to think God saved up the end of the world just for you to see ?
     

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