Excuses will be invalid when Gane dominates Jones

[NEETzschean]

Prime Jones would crush Gane. If he doesn’t, it’s a loss to Father Time only. Jones is a really bad style matchup for a guy with low power, no grappling and low fight IQ. He may be able to piece sloppy brawlers up on the feet but the threat of the takedown will neutralize most of his striking and he’ll likely spend a long time back to the cage or on his back on the ground.

Jones has always fought men he either had a huge height or reach advantage over, usually both. When he's fought prime guys around his size, even with a sub-80 reach (Gus 1, Reyes), he's struggled badly. Gane is bigger and better than those LHW's and better than Jones. Gane's razor thin loss to Ngannou is irrelevant because Jones doesn't have anything like his size or power and would also lose to Ngannou but in worse fashion.

 

[true_fan]

Jon is going to either get murdered or eye gouge Gane and get the fight stopped!

 

[NEETzschean]

Are you saying Gane would the a better fighter that night, or are you suggesting he would be considered a better fighter than Jones over all?

I'm saying that Gane is a better fighter than Jones in absolute terms, better at heavyweight. Jones has a much longer list of wins so it's fair to say he's better in terms of accomplishments or "P4P".

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Gane's razor thin loss to Ngannou is irrelevant because Jones doesn't have anything like his size or power.

Gane got thrown out and outgrappled by a brawler on one leg with zero grappling background - Jones has shown some of the best overall MMA grappling in the sport. He’s also a 250 pound man who’s been training for a long time for this move. It’s foolish to discredit the giant grappling gap.

The only way Jones loses this is due to Father Time or some doping violation. A fully picoed Jones in his prime would grapple fuck Gane and cave his skull in with elbows.

 

[dog y]

4/6, great. Hopefully he gets to 5/6. I'm betting on Gane.

 

[HaulParris]

There will always be excuses and revisionist history

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Jones earned this fight with his name, not with his game.

He arguably lost his last two at 205 against marginal competition (best available at time, but objectively not very solid) I feel like prime Jones should be pretty significant underdog VS Gane... let alone now. Strange. What do the books know that we dont?

 

[dog y]

Can't be both a reason and an excuse, kidd-o. Ask your English teacher about it.

I remember one attack being a pre-pre-emptive strike from history classes, as absurd as it sounds.
"Oh, they think we'll attack there, and they'll retaliate there. Then we should attack there to prevent their response before we attack target A. Everyone scared, general panic. Terrible calls.

 

[icemun]

Also Jon only has femtograms instead of his usual picograms

Ive heard hell have boo boo grams in this fight!

 

[NoSmilez]

I believe the line will shift when we see his body. Jones isn't going to be jacked like Gane. We see his brothers Chandler and Arthur. Chandler is 260 and he is not really muscular. Arthur is well over 300 lbs and he is chubby. I think Jones will look more like Chandler for his HW debut.

 

[RichterSchild]

I want Gane to win, but I sense Jones wins via wrestlefucking.

 

[VAfan]

he has excuses all over the place he'll be able to use. he's getting old, he hasn't fought in years, he's moving up a weight class. it's a question of which one he feels like using. and i was going to say his fans can do the same, only i'm not sure he has any, so that won't be too much of a concern.

 

[orca]

a decade plus of jones haters losing money on bet and trying to give excuses.

 

[Juice]

Jones nuthuggers will still say it's because he was past his prime

I wonder what his haters will say if he wins.

Do you really think Jones is still in his prime? I mean besides the fact he has 3 years of ring rust and moving up and taking on a top 3 Heavyweight with no tune up fight.

 

[WA2OOO]

Jones is a 4/6 favourite to beat Gane.

A narcissist like Jones wouldn't be taking this fight if he didn't believe he was at or close to his best, he knows that Gane is a serious operator. Jones hasn't got a paycheck-chasing journeyman's mentality, nor is he the kind of fighter who is happy to blemish his record for the love of the sport.

Jones' performances against Santos and Reyes were lacklustre but he'd been lineal UFC LHW champion since 2011 and was likely relatively unmotivated fighting guys he was massively favoured to beat. We'll see a more motivated Jones against Gane.

Jones will be very similar to Gane in weight and is virtually the same height, with a 3.5 inch reach advantage.

There is no Jones footage to study at HW and no Jones footage to study in the last 3 years.

Jones has a massive experience advantage over Gane (15-0 vs 0-1 in title fights) and he's 35, not 40+.

If Gane beats Jones it's because he's better than Jones, not because Jones has slipped.

You have a new account your opinion doesnt count. I can tell by your post about fedor in this thread. Jones is older, three years off and looked like he was on a downward spiral. If he wins hes the goat ever. If he doesn't he is still the LHW goat. Its pretty simple

I wonder what his haters will say if he wins.

Do you really think Jones is still in his prime? I mean besides the fact he has 3 years of ring rust and moving up and taking on a top 3 Heavyweight with no tune up fight.

Exactly these new accounts are clueless. I wonder who they dickroad to find this subreddit. Conor or khabib?

 

[NEETzschean]

Gane got thrown out and outgrappled by a brawler on one leg with zero grappling background - Jones has shown some of the best overall MMA grappling in the sport. He’s also a 250 pound man who’s been training for a long time for this move. It’s foolish to discredit the giant grappling gap.

The only way Jones loses this is due to Father Time or some doping violation. A fully picoed Jones in his prime would grapple fuck Gane and cave his skull in with elbows.

"Jones has shown some of the best overall MMA grappling in the sport"

Sure: usually against middleweights. Those were the guys Jones was typically fighting. And when he's fought athletic LHW's in their prime he's gone life and death.

Khabib also showed some of the best grappling in MMA, arguably the best. But weight classes do matter in a fight. If Jones were to enter an open weight MMA competition and beat Volk, Islam and Edwards I wouldn't see it as very impressive because they're small guys. Maybe you would.

Jones isn't fighting a middleweight this time, or even a LHW. He's fighting an athletic heavyweight with superior striking. That puts him in a position he's never been in his whole career, a position where he's probably going to lose.

Name the opponent Jones fought with even remotely the size, strength and power of Ngannou. Gane's performance against Ngannou (going 5 rounds in his championship debut and losing a close, controversial decision) was more impressive than anything I've seen Jones do in his career. Ngannou would probably knock Jones out, or win a decision if Jones was able to run all night. In fact, it's very doubtful whether Jones would even fight Ngannou.

 

[fzoid4454]

Jones is a 4/6 favourite to beat Gane.

A narcissist like Jones wouldn't be taking this fight if he didn't believe he was at or close to his best, he knows that Gane is a serious operator. Jones hasn't got a paycheck-chasing journeyman's mentality, nor is he the kind of fighter who is happy to blemish his record for the love of the sport.

Jones' performances against Santos and Reyes were lacklustre but he'd been lineal UFC LHW champion since 2011 and was likely relatively unmotivated fighting guys he was massively favoured to beat. We'll see a more motivated Jones against Gane.

Jones will be very similar to Gane in weight and is virtually the same height, with a 3.5 inch reach advantage.

There is no Jones footage to study at HW and no Jones footage to study in the last 3 years.

Jones has a massive experience advantage over Gane (15-0 vs 0-1 in title fights) and he's 35, not 40+.

If Gane beats Jones it's because he's better than Jones, not because Jones has slipped.

Three years of inactivity in the 30s for anyone competing at the elite level of any sport can have a huge impact on performance. Now, in terms of "no excuses," no one else made Jones not fight during that time, but you can't state that Jones hasn't slipped from his peak until we see what he looks like. He could win and look like shit, he could lose and look great, but he can also lose and look like crap, and not because of Gane. It's kind of silly to pretend that age, inactivity, and, certainly, both combined have no impact on elite athletes.

 

[Domitian]

I don't believe this ring rust theory. It's not like Jon has forgot how to fight over the last 3 years and he's been in the gym training. Ring rust could apply to lesser fighters but not elite ones who already have the skills. Camp has sharpened him up.

 

[cburm]

Sure but if bones jones wins you sir can stop dick riding

 

[NEETzschean]

Three years of inactivity in the 30s for anyone competing at the elite level of any sport can have a huge impact on performance. Now, in terms of "no excuses," no one else made Jones not fight during that time, but you can't state that Jones hasn't slipped from his peak until we see what he looks like. He could win and look like shit, he could lose and look great, but he can also lose and look like crap, and not because of Gane. It's kind of silly to pretend that age, inactivity, and, certainly, both combined have no impact on elite athletes.

I get it but it's highly speculative and there's the other side of the coin. 35 at heavyweight isn't old at all, very often it's prime age and Jones has a wealth of experience in MMA (partly due to his age) that Gane does not. And while not fighting competitively for a long time can negatively effect a fighter's performance when he returns (though sometimes barely if at all), there's no footage of Jones to study in the last 3 years and no footage of him at all at HW. So what does Gane have to study of Jones but film from 3+ years ago which could be wildly misleading? Perhaps this wildcard of unpredictability benefits Jones more than the inactivity harms him.

Say Gane shuts Jones down, beats him wide on points. Jones fans will inevitably say that Jones was washed. It doesn't matter how good he looks in defeat, they'll speculate that he would have done a lot better against Gane 10 years ago. The best argument imo that Jones wins the fight is that he wouldn't be taking it if he believed he had faded significantly. He's not that kind of fighter in my assessment.