Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools

Kafir-kun said:
So I guess we're in for a 40 page TCK evolution thread again. I guess its been a while since we've had one of these...
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My bad. We should be all be circle jerking about how backward Turkey is. That's much better.
 
TheComebackKid said:
All you've ever seen is the process of natural selection working upon pre existing pools of genes/traits. You've seen some traits degrade to the point where they seem like new features(but arent) but you've need ever actually seen entirely new features and functions form randomly through mutation or anything else.

You have witnessed micro evolution but not macro.



That's not macro evolution tho. That's natural selection working upon pre existing genes/traits...ie micro evolution.
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Do you not realize that the things you call "micro" make up "macro" when added together?
 
TheComebackKid said:
All you've ever seen is the process of natural selection working upon pre existing pools of genes/traits. You've seen some traits degrade to the point where they seem like new features(but arent) but you've need ever actually seen entirely new features and functions form randomly through mutation or anything else.

You have witnessed micro evolution but not macro.



That's not macro evolution tho. That's natural selection working upon pre existing genes/traits...ie micro evolution.
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You are using a creationist definition of macro evolution, not a scientific one.

Why should anyone care about the creationist definition?
 
TheComebackKid said:
My bad. We should be all be circle jerking about how backward Turkey is. That's much better.
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Instead we are circle jerking about how backwards you are. Congrats.
 
lecter said:
That's a good thing.
You don't want a nation like today's Turkey under the reign of Erdogan (and his successors which will be in alignment with his ideas) to become too powerful.
Systematically making your own people less educated is one little aspect working in favor of that.
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What a short sighted and defeated attitude. Long term that can only mean less critical thinking, more reliance on dogma for truth. You're cheering for regression, and that means cheering for radicalization. Sad Vomit!

This is why you're kind of an enigma and you get a lot of customers for your admittedly good, trolling form of dry satire. It's because you actually are fucked on a number of issues, like this one, so that throws people off.
 
TheComebackKid said:
All you've ever seen is the process of natural selection working upon pre existing pools of genes/traits. You've seen some traits degrade to the point where they seem like new features(but arent) but you've need ever actually seen entirely new features and functions form randomly through mutation or anything else.

You have witnessed micro evolution but not macro.



That's not macro evolution tho. That's natural selection working upon pre existing genes/traits...ie micro evolution.
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Seems to be a key word you kept repeating in there...

hrm...what was the word?

EVOLUTION?

K.
 
ShadBo said:
You are using a creationist definition of macro evolution, not a scientific one.

Why should anyone care about the creationist definition?
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Anyone more focused on semantics rather than concepts is probably an evolutionist.
 
Edison Carasio said:
Instead we are circle jerking about how backwards you are. Congrats.
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TheComebackKid said:
I know that's what you believe but it's not actually the case
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I know you believe the world was created by a magical being out of nothing but it's not actually the case
 
TheComebackKid said:
Anyone more focused on semantics rather than concepts is probably an evolutionist.
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Semantics? Your criteria for 'macro' evolution is completely different from the scientific definition.

In fact, the micro/macro distinction is short hand and not even a part of the theory.

Dem semantics doe. :rolleyes:
 
TheComebackKid said:
My bad. We should be all be circle jerking about how backward Turkey is. That's much better.
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Yeah I don't actually like those threads either but there has to be a middle ground between going off the rails on evolution again and just saying "Turkey bad, very bad"
 
ShadBo said:
Semantics? Your criteria for 'macro' evolution is completely different from the scientific definition.

In fact, the micro/macro distinction is short hand and not even a part of the theory.

Dem semantics doe. :rolleyes:
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Different people use different definitions.

Concepts > semantics.
 
snakedafunky said:
In my experience, they were doing ok as a secular country. Trouble started when the US took out Saddam and the Kurds started to make demands.
They just always also had a lot of Nationalism mixed in as well. That is always dangerous.

I have been to Turkey several times and have many Turkish friends. I think they can function just fine as a secular nation.
I mean Erdogan's version of Islam in the 90's or the 2000's worked fine. He is just using it now to establish his power.
An issue we wouldn't have today if the US didn't meddle in other people's affairs once again.
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Secular=/ good. The Turkish military establishment was a racist one that viciously oppressed the Kurdish population through extrajudicial killings and kidnappings
According to Tahir Elci, the head of the Diyarbakir Bar Association, about 2,500 disappearance cases remain unresolved in Turkey, most of them in the mainly Kurdish southeast. Some efforts have been made in recent years to shed light on the extrajudicial killings that terrorized the population in the 1990s and were blamed on the rogue Gendarmerie Intelligence and Counterterrorism Unit (JITEM). Yet, many cases have been closed under the statute of limitations.
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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...-pkk-hopes-vanishes-dissapeared-in-1990s.html

This is the ugly side of the secular ethnonationalist military rule of Turkey that doesn't get acknowledged because hey, at least hijabs were banned from universities or whatever.
 
jgarner said:
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Did you learn that stupid shit from your pastor or something?

Evolution, both micro and macro, works through mutation, migration, genetic drift, and natural selection from generation to generation over a period of time. Micro-evolution is the exact same fucking thing as macroevolution, just on a smaller scale.

Just what do you think happens when something over goes micro-evolution over the course of 3.8 billion years? God damn, there's some real fucking idiots running around. Genetics is literally based on the idea of evolution. That's how genetic testing works you dumb ass. And the fossil record is a physical verification of macro-evolution. There's a clear blend as evolution takes place.
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Yes, and without the introduction of new genes/traits, through mutation, then there is no way for a single cell organism to evolve into the entire universe.

The fossil "record" are a bunch of of fossils that we form conclusions about...conclusions that can't be verified in anyway. Not everyone reaches the same conclusions.

Genetic testing does not introduce new genes and traits.

When Christian retards pretend like the mountain of evidence directly supporting evolution means nothing, but some stupid fucking book from 2000 years ago in the ME is the word of god based purely on faith, it really makes me depressed. You're a grown ass man in the 21st century. Stop being an idiot. If you want to believe in god then fine, but stop blatantly dismissing proven science.
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I'm not saying that mountain of so called evidence is meaningless...it just doesn't mean what you think it does.
 
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