Evloev is a better grappler than Islam

[rjmbrd]

Movsar Evloev is a very good wrestler and grappler. He also has a very different style. Maybe it's the Greco influence. He has great takedowns and always ends up on top in scrambles.

He is probably a slightly better wrestler than Islam relative to their divisions but I think Islam's overall submission grappling game and especially the actual submissions are much much higher level. Islam has a Sambo, Judo and wrestling base and has also been training with a lot of American wrestlers and BJJ guys. I would say Islam's overall grappling and ability to finish submissions puts him over Evloev.

Exactly this.

Movsar is the better wrestler and Islam is the better submission grappler. They have completely different MMA styles overall, despite both having a grappling first skill set.

Aljo vs Evloev was a joy to watch and razor thin. Really a credit to how high quality both guys are, and how physical Aljo still is moving up a division.

Its an absolute bummer we never got to see Islam x Arman rematch.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Islam is a finisher and Mosvar is not

Tree -stump Volk will stay upright and land clean shots on the feet throughout the match

 

[Khaosan]

 

[RockyLockridge]

He's been unable to submit anyone in the UFC in 9 fights despite fighting some supbar grapplers, and yet he's gonna submit Volk??

This fight is gonna be a walk in the park for Volk, it's nice that he gets an easy match up for once.

the interesting thing about this prospective "easy fight" Is it's one of the most accomplished title challengers volk has ever faced on paper, Guys like max, zombie, Ortega and yair weren't on massive winning streaks like evloev was... yet.... I can only see this as being easier for volk than the last few. This guy beat lopes but The tools he used to do it I just cant see working on Volk. I feel like volk could get a finish here, because the striking diff is massive.

 

[mkess101]

Exactly this.

Movsar is the better wrestler and Islam is the better submission grappler. They have completely different MMA styles overall, despite both having a grappling first skill set.

Aljo vs Evloev was a joy to watch and razor thin. Really a credit to how high quality both guys are, and how physical Aljo still is moving up a division.

Its an absolute bummer we never got to see Islam x Arman rematch.

This. Aljo arguably won that fight. (No issue with Movsar getting it but was so close). Aljo is obviously a terrific grappler but Evloev isn't better than Islam.

 

[volcom5]

The flip flop on Volkanovski is a funny sight to see, 7 months ago the majority of people on this site considered Volkanovski washed and the thought of Evloev submitting Volkanovski would’ve been higher percentage especially with the way people were talking about how far gone Volkanovski was.

I don’t think Evloev is a better grappler than Makhachev, Evloev is just better positional dominance, Makhachev doesnt play that game, he’s trying to finish. Can I see Evloev submitting Volkanovski, highly unlikely if Evloev is going to the traditional route of position before submission, only way I see Evloev submitting Volkanovski is stunning him then clamping on a choke, other than that I don’t see it.

 

[legedema]

always enjoy watching Evolve,doesnt matter if he finishes the fight.
actually I do enjoy seeing him fighting all rounds.his fight against Diego was just great

 

[KavkazDominance]

This. Aljo arguably won that fight. (No issue with Movsar getting it but was so close). Aljo is obviously a terrific grappler but Evloev isn't better than Islam.

No way you think Aljo won that
Movsar didn't even train wrestling in that camp and bullied him in that department

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

OP in his head right now:

 

[mkess101]

No way you think Aljo won that
Movsar didn't even train wrestling in that camp and bullied him in that department

It was extremely close. It's such biased nonsense anyone who thinks otherwise.

Sig strikes- Aljo landed more
Takedowns-Aljo had more
Control time-Aljo had more

"Bullied him" lmao. It was an awesome back and forth grappling exhibition that nobody clearly won. Again, zero issue that Movsar got the nod, but absolutely it could've went the other way.

 

[Reptile_Bong_Hit]

Better ground game? No argument.

Better wrestler? Weak argument.

Better scrambler? Debatable.

Better grappler? No argument.

The irony of providing no arguments is not lost on me, brother!

 

[HHJ]

The dagestani takeover is over they should stick to freestyle wrestling

Now it's georgia time and very soon it will be chechen/ingush

Ladies and gentleman we've reached he hipster caucasus infighting era

If the Chechen/Ingush topple the Dagestanis, some mustache nerd will claim that the Krasnodarians are coming for them

 

[hswrestler]

People think Volk will nullify his wrestling like he did to Islam lmao.

Evloev is not the same as Islam, he's a level above believe me.

Evloev will submit Volk 100%.

In what way? Effectiveness in MMA?
Islam's two most impressive performances grappling-wise imo was controlling Oliveira for around a third of the fight without being in danger and edging Arman out in the wrestling exchanges. I haven't seen anything as impressive from Evloev

 

[flektarn]

This is the one contender where Volk is in zero danger of taking any damage.

 

[HHJ]

This is the one contender where Volk is in zero danger of taking any damage.

You can never count out a wrestler doing damage breh

 

[flektarn]

You can never count out a wrestler doing damage breh

Belal at least has looked threatening before.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

In what way? Effectiveness in MMA?
Islam's two most impressive performances grappling-wise imo was controlling Oliveira for around a third of the fight without being in danger and edging Arman out in the wrestling exchanges. I haven't seen anything as impressive from Evloev

Almost all of Movsar's wins have come by control including beating elite opponents (his last 3 wins especially). Islam is more versatile, and I think his striking goes heavily underlooked (I think it's better than his grappling to be honest).

Islam beating Oliveira has a lot to do with him just butchering Charles with punches on the feet. I think it's obvious Charles was rocked while he was on the ground, he hardly resisted. Charles lost that fight on the feet imo.

Evloev very well might be the better grappler. I think in terms of control, which seems to be what you're talking about, I would definitely take Evloev over Islam. Perhaps if you take into account gnp and submissions then Islam makes up the difference, but pure wrestling? I think you're underselling Movsar's career there.

Movsar pretty much HAS to win with control, and so far he's been doing that at a very high level. Islam combines control, submissions, and striking at a high level, which makes him a top 10 all time candidate, but it isn't inconceivable that there are better wrestlers than him in MMA.

 

[KavkazDominance]

Ladies and gentleman we've reached he hipster caucasus infighting era

If the Chechen/Ingush topple the Dagestanis, some mustache nerd will claim that the Krasnodarians are coming for them

Lmao

To be honest I like dagestanis it's just that people act like they're the only people from the caucasus who can fight when we all have a similar wrestling culture

 

[ExitLUPin]

Evloev literally hasn't finished a fight in the UFC. He might be the biggest decision machine at the top level of MMA. 100% guarantee he finishes Volk is asinine.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

So we are letting 2024 join dates make retarded threads now? When did this one come out of the woodwork? Must a an alt account from some jackass that got banned.