Social Even Democrats now agree : No Russian Collusion

second sight said:
you mean the other charges he isn't charged with
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Man come on numbnuts, follow along with the trials if you are gonna comment. Witness tampering, which Kilimnik was indicted for along with Manafort was one of the charges Manafort pled guilty to in his plea deal that he later broke (but the obstruction guilty plea remains)

https://www.justice.gov/file/1070326/download
 
ocean size said:
I agree there will be CT-level witchhunts on either side, but Birtherism doesn't compare to the Mueller investigation. Trump's campaign chair and his campaign deputy met with a Russian intelligence agent during the campaign, a guy the campaign chair shared internal polling data with. That campaign chair, Manafort, was willing to lie about his conversations with that Russian agent even though it violated his plea deal and he is now facing life in prison. You really don't think that was worth investigating, and even if no one flips on Trump, there was no chance he had knowledge of his campaign coordinating with Russians?
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You're literally just regurgitating talking points from CNN and MSNBC.

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ocean size said:
Man come on numbnuts, follow along with the trials if you are gonna comment. Witness tampering, which Kilimnik was indicted for along with Manafort was one of the charges Manafort pled guilty to in his plea deal that he later broke (but the obstruction guilty plea remains)

https://www.justice.gov/file/1070326/download
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witness tampering another charge thats not on the list of 18 charges he plead not guilty to
 
Limit Smasher said:
You're literally just regurgitating talking points from CNN and MSNBC.
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Everything I've said is in court filings other than my questions for you at the end. Sure, Manafort could have taken the campaign deputy to meet a Russian agent that he discusses internal polling data with for something unrelated, just trying to get himself paid without trump knowing.

But if you are telling me there is zero chance it was coordinating with Russia to influence the election and there is zero chance Trump knew about it, you are the conspiracy theorist and you are ignoring on the record facts.
 
Cake4Breakfast said:
He gave the data to the Russians so they could be more precise and targeted with there misinformation campaign, you know the one that Trump still hasn't admitted to and thinks Putin's idea of allowing russians intelligence agents to help Mueller is a swell idea.

You didn't ask me for a statute in your post that I responded to, but looks like you added it after I responded, and that statute is: 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20.

And of course I am speculating, so is anyone<LikeReally5>
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Bruh. Did you read the statutes? Those apply to foreign nationals contributing to our elections and Americans soliciting help or accepting help from foreign nationals in connection with our elections.

What happened was Manafort helped a foreign national by giving him polling data. There is no indication from any source that Manafort gave anything in return. Those statutes do not apply to Manafort giving polling data.

Find me a statute where it says an American can’t provide assistance to a foreign national.
 
ocean size said:
Everything I've said is in court filings other than my questions for you at the end. Sure, Manafort could have taken the campaign deputy to meet a Russian agent that he discusses internal polling data with for something unrelated, just trying to get himself paid without trump knowing.

But if you are telling me there is zero chance it was coordinating with Russia to influence the election and there is zero chance Trump knew about it, you are the conspiracy theorist and you are ignoring on the record facts.
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Keep it going man. Hedge all of your bets on "collusion". Make it the reason you wake up in the morning. Because one day, just maybe, it's going to be the day that you finally get Trump. Mueller is coming, right?
 
second sight said:
witness tampering another charge thats not on the list of 18 charges he plead not guilty to
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You do realise he had two different trials? Eastern District of Virginia was where he was tried on 18 counts of bank and tax related shit. US District Court DC is where he was tried with for conspiracy to defraud the United States, money laundering, failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, making false statements to investigators, and witness tampering.

He pled guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy in his plea deal.

Stop wasting my time with your low-effort posting
 
TheBlondBomber said:
Bruh. Did you read the statutes? Those apply to foreign nationals contributing to our elections and Americans soliciting help or accepting help from foreign nationals. What happened was Manafort helped a foreign national by giving him polling data. Those statutes do not apply.

Find me a statute where it says an American can’t provide assistance to a foreign national.
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Okay, I will play along, why would a pro-Russian Ukranian political consultant want the polling data from Manafort about a US election, and don't you think that is particularly concerning giving what is known about Russia's interference in the election that polling data was centered on? Feel free to speculate. ;)
 
keep in mind, the last time , mueller and weissmann did this dance they indicted numerous people and the supreme court over ruled them unanimously
 
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Cake4Breakfast said:
Okay, I will play along, why would a pro-Russian Ukranian political consultant want the polling data from Manafort about a US election, and don't you think that is particularly concerning giving what is known about Russia's interference in the election that polling data was centered on? Feel free to speculate. ;)
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There’s no playing along. You’re wrong. Don’t deflect. You said that Manafort sharing polling data was illegal. It’s not. The statutes you cited don’t apply. You either didn’t read them or you aren’t smart enough to understand them. Either way, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You should admit that.

Facts matter.
 
Strychnine said:
Comey said he wasn't being investigated and President Trump fired him for "This whole Russia thing."
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Yea, your post I originally quoted said

“Timestamped it. This whole current investigation kicked off because President Trump fired Jim Comey. If he had let it play out, we would be talking about something totally different. President Trump hasn't been paying any attention to history..

You do not fire the person that is investigating you”
See President Richard M. Nixon”

Which why I said Comey told Trump he wasn’t being investigated
 
ocean size said:
You do realise he had two different trials? Eastern District of Virginia was where he was tried on 18 counts of bank and tax related shit. US District Court DC is where he was tried with for conspiracy to defraud the United States, money laundering, failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, making false statements to investigators, and witness tampering.

He pled guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy in his plea deal.

Stop wasting my time with your low-effort posting
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keep trying to make accusations, all of which have nothing to do with Trump, as I mentioned earlier
 
TheBlondBomber said:
There’s no playing along. You’re wrong. Don’t deflect. You said that Manafort sharing polling data was illegal. It’s not. The statutes you cited don’t apply. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You should admit that.
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I am not deflecting, I am pointing out that your argument that he "helped" a foreign national (who is connected to Russian intelligence) is silly, and am asking you to present a single plausible reason for why Kilimnik would have wanted that data if not for nefarious purposes to help Trump get elected, knowing that Russian intelligence later interfered in the US election...I think it's clar that was for the purposes of helping Manafort and Trump, and the payback from Manafort and Trump was the change in the GOP's policy toward Russian interests.
 
second sight said:
keep in mind, the last time , mueller and weissmann did this dance the indicted numerous people and the supreme court over ruled them unanimously
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Another witch hunt, those good citizens at Enron didn't do nothing, am I right?
 
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