Opinion Elon Musk says FEMA sent $59M last week to luxury NYC hotels to house illegal migrants. Edit: see bottom of the OPs

[panamaican]

Don't declare your city to be a "sanctuary city" then. It's fucking amazing how you people are utterly incapable of taking responsibility for your own actions.

But it wasn't their actions. They didn't ship illegal immigrants anywhere. Being a "sanctuary city" has nothing to do with it.

I'll try to explain -- A sanctuary city simply does not perform ICE actions for the federal government. They simply don't participate in enforcement. But a sanctuary city does not and cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing illegal immigration laws. How it works in real life is this: Illegal Alien Jose moves to Philadelphia. Philadelphia cops pull over Jose for speeding. They will fine him for speeding but they will not arrest him for being an illegal immigrant, even thought they know it. However, if Federal Agent Johnny shows up in Philadelphia and finds Jose, Philadelphia cops cannot and will not interfere with Johnny arresting Jose for deportation.

None of that has anything to do with funding for housing. I'll explain that too --

Every illegal immigrant has to go through a deportation hearing. While they are going through that hearing process, the federal government has a responsibility to house them. This only applies to those people going through hearings. Jose, from above, doesn't qualify. However, the people that Texas and Florida rounded up and sent to NYC were people who they had in their control because those illegals were in the hearing process. That meant the Fed had to house them....no matter where they were. So sending them to NYC is no different than sending them to Alaska or sending them to Virginia or Maine. Wherever they were sent, the Fed was going to have to house them.

In the border states, housing facilities and infrastructure already exists. So, housing them might burden the system but the system exists. In other states, the infrastructure doesn't exist. So it has to built up from the ground up. That costs money. It was not NYC's money because the legal obligation to house illegal immigrants in the middle of hearings falls on the Feds. And that means it falls on us. So we pay 2x. We pay to maintain infrastructure in border states and then we pay to build infrastructure in non-border states.

None of that has anything to do with whether or not a city is a "sanctuary cities" because the funding issue is entirely federal.

Hope that helps.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

This guy basically is YouTube's Sean Hannity, but no news he's broken has been false.

LOL owned

 

[Islam Imamate]

Again, I understand the balance of following the courts (govt) and appeasing the person at the top (owner). I am not doing anything unless I check with him on something like that. Once it's documented that he made a decision be it court order or not then I'm going with it and letting him deal with it. Of course politics are at play here in the decisions made but none of this is surprising. Again, how something like a court order gets resolved isn't on me. It's on the leader to deal with those things. If I decide that I'm going to just do something without checking I'm expecting some fallout. If it's a moral conundrum then I'm likely just walking away. But govt disputes aren't something I'm getting in the middle of.

Trump is not the "owner" of the US government, he's a president who is bound by the Constitution.

You're saying that if the president orders something unconstitutional which is being blocked by the courts you'd rather civil servants obey the unconstitutional order? I wholly disagree with that, as I said before civil servants take an oath to the Constitution and not the president.

 

[Cajun]

Trump is not the "owner" of the US government, he's a president who is bound by the Constitution.

You're saying that if the president orders something unconstitutional which is being blocked by the courts you'd rather civil servants obey the unconstitutional order? I wholly disagree with that, as I said before civil servants take an oath to the Constitution and not the president.

You know what I mean. In my case it was owner/president and the person I reported to. Im meaning the person at the top. I will at minimum discuss it with him. The justification for the pause was not constitutional but that it was too vague in the judges statements. I said that if you find yourself in a moral conundrum then bring it to the top and if they reject it then walk. Don't just do things.

 

[avenue94]

Yes the money was allocated based on the issues with so many coming across. I agreed that the money was legit. Musk is only seeing payouts. Not the origination of the funds. If Trump did put a freeze and the payment made after then that's a thing but have to see more.

This should answer your question as to whether or not DOGE is undertaking an audit. Auditors kind of know when payments are going out and why. And if they don't know why they ask people who know.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You know what I mean. In my case it was owner/president and the person I reported to. Im meaning the person at the top. I will at minimum discuss it with him. The justification for the pause was not constitutional but that it was too vague in the judges statements. I said that if you find yourself in a moral conundrum then bring it to the top and if they reject it then walk. Don't just do things.

I know what you mean but my point is that it's a bad analogy because we shouldn't expect the federal government to function like a business.

I prefer that civil servants act according to their oath to the Constitution instead out of loyalty to the president but I guess that's why we voted differently in the election.

 

[Cajun]

I know what you mean but my point is that it's a bad analogy because we shouldn't expect the federal government to function like a business.

I prefer that civil servants act according to their oath to the Constitution instead out of loyalty to the president but I guess that's why we voted differently in the election.

Again, if it conflicts and I've discussed it with him then I just bounce. I get what you are saying but it is a team sport even if its govt. There are many similarities to govt and private sector. Communication is a must and again if I've exhausted the avenues open then I can bounce at that point. If noone was communicated with then it's not great either and it wasn't going to end well.

 

[scoopj]

Why not wait until the truth comes out before posting about it?

While I do agree with you, speculation and innuendo are what make this place tick.

 

[Cajun]

This should answer your question as to whether or not DOGE is undertaking an audit. Auditors kind of know when payments are going out and why. And if they don't know why they ask people who know.

Auditors have all access. Not just read only of payments made. Likely better to just continue flagging and getting people with access to answer the questions.

 

[avenue94]

Auditors have all access. Not just read only of payments made. Likely better to just continue flagging and getting people with access to answer the questions.

And whose fault is it that Musk and company doesn't have access? Their own because they didn't want to go though the hiring requirements.

Just remember who is claiming to be auditor but isn't. It ain't liberals, and it's clear why DOGE is trotting out lies like that to inflate their importance.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Again, if it conflicts and I've discussed it with him then I just bounce. I get what you are saying but it is a team sport even if its govt. There are many similarities to govt and private sector. Communication is a must and again if I've exhausted the avenues open then I can bounce at that point. If noone was communicated with then it's not great either and it wasn't going to end well.

I just don't know why you're bending over backwards to defend an executive that is trying to circumvent a court order and blaming instead the civil servants upholding their oath to the Constitution.

Well that's not entirely true I guess, you voted for that executive so on some level I can see why you probably feel the need to defend him as a result but I'm wondering how you can do so in the face of this kind of power grab and disdain for our Republic's checks and balances, instead blaming the folks standing in the way of that power hungry executive.

 

[Cajun]

And whose fault is it that Musk and company doesn't have access? Their own because they didn't want to go though the hiring requirements.

Just remember who is claiming to be auditor but isn't. It ain't liberals, and it's clear why DOGE is trotting out lies like that to inflate their importance.

Typically the govt audits itself. A group in the legislative branch. When you get to groups outside the govt then it's going to change.

 

[Cajun]

I just don't know why you're bending over backwards to defend an executive that is trying to circumvent a court order and blaming instead the civil servants upholding their oath to the Constitution.

Well that's not entirely true I guess, you voted for that executive so on some level I can see why you probably feel the need to defend him as a result but I'm wondering how you can do so in the face of this kind of power grab and disdain for our Republic's checks and balances, instead blaming the folks standing in the way of that power hungry executive.

I'm not defending Trump. He will have to comply until the pause gets resolved and should. I'm saying that I think communication was in order from subordinates.

 

[AWilder]

Wow this is Olympic level mental gymnastics.

Checkmate libs

 

[avenue94]

Typically the govt audits itself. A group in the legislative branch. When you get to groups outside the govt then it's going to change.

A branch of the government audits itself, or its outsourced.

And since when is the DCAA part of the Legislative branch? The GAO isn't the only game in town.

And information isn't the issue here. If it was, why has the GOP pushed for DOD budget increases consistently in recent years, despite its obvious failed financial controls?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not defending Trump.

To be clear here that's how it comes off.

He will have to comply until the pause gets resolved and should. I'm saying that I think communication was in order from subordinates.

What makes you say that?

 

[Cajun]

A branch of the government audits itself, or its outsourced.

And since when is the DCAA part of the Legislative branch? The GAO isn't the only game in town.

And information isn't the issue here. If it was, why has the GOP pushed for DOD budget increases consistently in recent years, despite its obvious failed financial controls?

I thought it was the GAO that audits. The last part I can't say. The DOD loses money like crazy. No idea why that is but it's terribly run. I'm not sure about other departments

 

[Cajun]

To be clear here that's how it comes off.

What makes you say that?

Its how the chain of command works in any organization.

 

[avenue94]

I thought it was the GAO that audits. The last part I can't say. The DOD loses money like crazy. No idea why that is but it's terribly run. I'm not sure about other departments

GAO does audits, but they are not the only game in town. DCAA handles defense contracts and supports DOD audits. It's bigger than GAO. Point being, you may want to brush up on the basics before going off half cocked on the whole audits and finances thing.

And it's straight forward, DOD is terribly run because Congress allows it to. Like I said, auditing the DOD with DOGE is a joke. It's like taking a patient with a lopped off head to a doctor for a second opinion. If the doctor was a vet who got his license suspended or something.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Border wall, i guess since mexico wasn't paying for it it was no longer efficient for the US gov to build and pay for it.

Lol, sure.

on catch and release from your source: Customs and Border Protection said the shift in policy was result of three issues — the influx of migrants and children from Central America, Mexico’s refusal to take in families with children under 12, and the COVID-19 pandemic, which has affected the agency’s detention facilities and transportation capacity, Fox News reported.

Catch and release is an enforcement policy set by the POTUS. Nobody forced Biden to make that change.

Remain in mexico

By the time the courts tried to revive it, it had already been dismatled by Biden.

DNA - i don't know why they would stop that, i don't support that.

At least we can agree on that.

Zero Tolerance - uhhh, yeah ending this was good. You support ripping apart families and losing children?

You asked what he did differently.

State barriers - oh no.

You asked what he did differently.

The funny thing is blaming Biden when it's congress who makes/creates laws.