Eddie Bravo: JJ Unleashed book

[NeelyWCU]

Royler made a good point in his no gi grappling book that the majority of guys who win in AbuDhabi are bjj blackbelts

he thinks the gi makes you more technical/move slower and concentrate on technique



i think his point about abudhabi could also be because these people have been doing submission versed grappling since they (most of them) were very very young...but he has a point

 

[Happy Camper]

Funny since Royler was tapped by Bravo when he was a brown belt. The things its that if you are a JJ black belt you have trained for a long time and will be good, however it does not say that its the best way to train for sub wrestling or mma.

 

[FutureBxer]

the people who started the "train with the gi on for at least a while then switch to no gi " are the guys who were forced to wear the damn gi most of their lives when no-gi was uncommon.

I also agree with eddie. and go ahead and call me bias cuz i train at 10th planet but ive always felt this way.

 

[bird1965]

This BJJ instructor at this one place I used to go recently made it a requirement for everyone to wear the gi . . . I think he's afraid of no-gi/MMA guys tapping him out and he needs the other person to wear a gi in order to better set up his submissions.

Every BJJ instructor I know still says if you have a choice either Gi or No Gi always go with the Gi. Are they just out of date or behind the times?

 

[bird1965]

Which is what this forum is for. Fights and MMA discussion is for the MMA forum, grappling discussion is for the Grappling forum.

I was thinking the grappling forum would be for grappling in grappling type tourny's not grappling for MMA.

 

[scorcho]

I agree with Eddie. If you are going to fight nogi, you should train that way.

 

[Immortal-BJJ**]

No gi is good, I like no gi, but you'd be suprised as to how many people are very good without the gi even though they train with the gi. I don't really agree with what Eddie has to say because by the way he puts it, he thinks they should get rid of the gi all together, saying that bjj has evolved past that. The gi is where the fundamentals of jiu-jitsu lye, it was created with the gi and survived with the gi. If the heart of jiu-jitsu was to train without the gi I think it would've changed to that already. Even Rickson said, even though he would fight without the gi he would still train at least one day a week with the gi. And for anyone who says Eddie has to be right or else he wouldn't have tapped out Royler with his advanced no-gi skills, let's look at the facts. Royler was dominating Eddie up to that lucky triangle, if they fought again, I'm absolutely sure it wouldn't go the same way. Leozihno knew this that's why he totally OWNED Eddie in their fight right after.
My point is, it's very important to know no-gi if u want to fight MMA, but let's not forget where jiu-jitsu came from, it started with the gi and that's where bjj will stay.

 

[FutureBxer]

No gi is good, I like no gi, but you'd be suprised as to how many people are very good without the gi even though they train with the gi. I don't really agree with what Eddie has to say because by the way he puts it, he thinks they should get rid of the gi all together, saying that bjj has evolved past that. The gi is where the fundamentals of jiu-jitsu lye, it was created with the gi and survived with the gi. If the heart of jiu-jitsu was to train without the gi I think it would've changed to that already. Even Rickson said, even though he would fight without the gi he would still train at least one day a week with the gi. And for anyone who says Eddie has to be right or else he wouldn't have tapped out Royler with his advanced no-gi skills, let's look at the facts. Royler was dominating Eddie up to that lucky triangle, if they fought again, I'm absolutely sure it wouldn't go the same way. Leozihno knew this that's why he totally OWNED Eddie in their fight right after.
My point is, it's very important to know no-gi if u want to fight MMA, but let's not forget where jiu-jitsu came from, it started with the gi and that's where bjj will stay.

the ignorance is digusting


just because jiu jitsu started with the gi and -up to this point- has survived with the gi , doesnt mean the future evolution of jiu jitsu has to be with the gi. are u that blind? Dont you see thats what makes jiu jitsu so much different then traditional MA's

traditional MA's stay the same and practice the same junk over and over - that is why they fell behind modern MA's. They refused to change and evolve. guys do the same stances, same moves, etc - all because it STARTED that way and guys hundreds of years ago practiced it that way.

so according to you - just because jiu jitsu hasnt abandoned/moved past the gi yet... then it never should?? thats ridiculous. There is a start for everything, and no gi is relatively new. Just because it hasnt happened yet doesnt mean it should never happen or wont ever happen. just cuz jiu jitsu started with the gi doesnt mean it needs to keep it.

When Dvd's first came out, a lot of peole were saying they wouldnt replace VHS and they were a fad, not as good, blah blah. It took a few years but now look at it? I'm not saying No-gi will replace gi but I am saying that you cannot say it never will just because it has not happened already. No-gi is too new for you to make that assumption. It may never happen or it may happen 80 years from now - who the fuck knows.


you have to think outside the box and be open-minded to new ideas.


oh and here is the best part of you're post - eddie's "lucky triangle" buddy, you dont get "lucky" and tap royler gracie. This is the guy who never had a point scored on him up to this point. ESPECIALLY When Eddie tapped royler with his bread and butter. You honeslty dont know what you're talking about.

 

[Foolkiller]

I was thinking the grappling forum would be for grappling in grappling type tourny's not grappling for MMA.

You'd think that... but given the content of threads in here 80% of the time... you'd be off by a mile.

Also, just to put it in black and white, gi grappling is better suited to clothed conflicts and no gi is better for all round submission fighting. NEITHER IS BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE OTHER, To compare the is like saying a T shirt is better than a suit... neither is, it's just a matter of the environment, clothing being worn and the options provided by the situation. I'd not go to an interview in shorts and T shirt, and I wouldn't socialise in a suit 90% of the time. It is just a matter of what you prefer and are comfortable in.

 

[Immortal-BJJ**]

the ignorance is digusting


just because jiu jitsu started with the gi and -up to this point- has survived with the gi , doesnt mean the future evolution of jiu jitsu has to be with the gi. are u that blind? Dont you see thats what makes jiu jitsu so much different then traditional MA's

traditional MA's stay the same and practice the same junk over and over - that is why they fell behind modern MA's. They refused to change and evolve. guys do the same stances, same moves, etc - all because it STARTED that way and guys hundreds of years ago practiced it that way.

so according to you - just because jiu jitsu hasnt abandoned/moved past the gi yet... then it never should?? thats ridiculous. There is a start for everything, and no gi is relatively new. Just because it hasnt happened yet doesnt mean it should never happen or wont ever happen. just cuz jiu jitsu started with the gi doesnt mean it needs to keep it.

When Dvd's first came out, a lot of peole were saying they wouldnt replace VHS and they were a fad, not as good, blah blah. It took a few years but now look at it? I'm not saying No-gi will replace gi but I am saying that you cannot say it never will just because it has not happened already. No-gi is too new for you to make that assumption. It may never happen or it may happen 80 years from now - who the fuck knows.


you have to think outside the box and be open-minded to new ideas.


oh and here is the best part of you're post - eddie's "lucky triangle" buddy, you dont get "lucky" and tap royler gracie. This is the guy who never had a point scored on him up to this point. ESPECIALLY When Eddie tapped royler with his bread and butter. You honeslty dont know what you're talking about.

I'm ignorant huh? How fuckin long has jiu-jitsu been around, and the gi has always been used... oh so what, we're the magical fuckin generation that's gonna change the way jiu-jitsu has been done for hundreds of years. Because you feel training without the gi is better, jiu-jitsu will now finally take on an evolution that's been waiting to happen? There is no jiu-jitsu without the gi! Oh and that tap on Royler that you think is not so lucky, ask any other fuckin black belt that night who wanted to face Royler and see what they say...

 

[Immortal-BJJ**]

oh and here is the best part of you're post - eddie's "lucky triangle" buddy, you dont get "lucky" and tap royler gracie. This is the guy who never had a point scored on him up to this point. ESPECIALLY When Eddie tapped royler with his bread and butter. You honeslty dont know what you're talking about.

Oh yeah, and if it's really not a lucky tap he got, why don't you ask Leozihno if Eddie's tap on Royler was lucky. Because you know, I'm sure he went to Abu Dhabi to fight Eddie. Dude fuck that, he wanted to fight Royler, and he knew that tap was luck and that's why he fuckin creamed Eddie in their match for taking his fight with Royler away.

 

[DirectDrive]

I totally agree with Eddie. If you're supposed to fight without a gi why the f**k would you train with the gi on? i practice submission wrestling (no gi) and when i fight with some BJJ guys i clearly see that they need a gi to set subs up. All Eddie says in that book is gold to me, simply because if you train and fight in competitions (both MMA and Submission)you need all the holds that can only be applied on the body: neck, triceps, wrists etc.etc.

Sorry I don't know about the copyright.

cheers

the reason that they say train with the gi first is because you have to be more technical with a gi. i think particularly with escapes, posture and evading subs the idea is if you can get good with a gi they will be easier when slippery and faster paced.

keep in mind hte people that are saying this are not your average blue belt. these guys are top level players, so their game is at another level than ours.

 

[bird1965]

the reason that they say train with the gi first is because you have to be more technical with a gi. i think particularly with escapes, posture and evading subs the idea is if you can get good with a gi they will be easier when slippery and faster paced.

keep in mind hte people that are saying this are not your average blue belt. these guys are top level players, so their game is at another level than ours.

Some say just the opposite that you will get less technical working with the Gi as you begin to rely on the Gi for grip and sweeps. Eddie made a point about J. Pieriera(SP?) a Rickson BB who fought Hughes. Eddie says without the Gi Jorge couldn't set up any of his subs or sweeps so just layed on the bottom to be hit. As for the posts above yours (immortal BJJ and futurebxer) both make very good points. It looks like the gi, no gi contreversy will continue for awhile.

 

[colinm]

i respectfully disagree with eddie. ive taught a bunch of noobs in my school's bjj club, and the ones who never bought a gi get used to slipping out of shit and using their athleticism to beat up on other noobs. a couple months down the road, they still had shit technique while the other noobs actually learned some shit and were beating up on the nogi guys.

no doubt, if you're training for an mma fight, you should take off your gi, but i think there is something to be said for wearing the gi at least until you reach a blue belt level. i agree with eddie that training for sport jj then thinking you can easily transition to mma is ridiculous tho.

 

[VampireMonk]

I think gi training is essential.

I think Eddie Bravo is AWESOME, but he HAD gi training.

me too, and I'm glad that I did, even though I consider myself a non-gi person.

training with the gi....
is it VITAL? no, will it help you more? I definitely think so.
not because of the techniques, but the way it trains the mind to be technical in a certain way.

 

[genkisudo69]

I think that a good thing is train both . gi is slower and has more techniques and no-gi is faster and slick . of course if you want to go to mma you have to train a lot of no gi . anyways some guys does the transition from no gi to gi pretty good : bj penn & nogueira and others not : schembri & others .
anyways you could be one of the best grapplers in the world like dave terrell who won all in grappling and be destroyed in the first round by tanner .
the conclusion is that no-gi , gi and mma are different worlds and that

 

[VampireMonk]

yeah and just cause you excell in one doesn't gurantee you will do well
in another simillar sport!!!

this why I'm not doing Sambo, Judo, wrestling, because I rolled with those guys
in training and played by their rules and got KILLED, so I know when a guy can
pin me in seconds that I cant say that because of my BJJ skills, I can kick ass in
a wrestling tournament!!!

 

[Shaolin Bushido]

I wonder why the two of em never got together again ... Eddie and Royler, I mean.*contemplates intently*

 

[bird1965]

I think gi training is essential.

I think Eddie Bravo is AWESOME, but he HAD gi training.

me too, and I'm glad that I did, even though I consider myself a non-gi person.

training with the gi....
is it VITAL? no, will it help you more? I definitely think so.
not because of the techniques, but the way it trains the mind to be technical in a certain way.

Yes Eddie did have Gi training with one of the best in fact JJ Machado but he said learning under Jean Jack is when he started thinking about no gi because Jean Jack has only part of a hand so he couldn't really use the gi grip for that hand and had to modify more traditional jui jitsu. Very good point about training the mind. Also no answers on why this book has a 2006 copyright date yet?

 

[VampireMonk]

awww bird, every time I see your avatar, he's just soooo cuddley!!!!