Maybe read into the post first before actually sending it next time. I mean Anderson silva fighting someone nobody has heard of isn't proof. Same with nate diaz and Duffy. Complete car crash of a post.
Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing
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Maybe read into the post first before actually sending it next time. I mean Anderson silva fighting someone nobody has heard of isn't proof. Same with nate diaz and Duffy. Complete car crash of a post.
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This is generally true, MMA fighters have better hands than many boxing fans would like to admit.
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Most boxers fight nobody's in MMA as well.
Yeh erm who did toney fight? And mercer? You are embarrassing yourself now.
Yep, because Ngannou is bad at boxing...lol good lord the top 10 HW boxers would annihilate him easily. No punchers chance could save Ngannou against the top heavyweights right now. Hell, Wlad could probably un retire and scorch him in boxing.
Your post makes no logical sense. Ngannou would obliterate those same guys in a cage. Also the ridiculous argument of “oh yeah, you can bite and eye gouge on the street!” Um yeah, both guys could. Why would mma people play by mma rules while the boxer bites them? Lol that is stupid. MMA isn’t better than boxing, but it is objectively much closer to a “real fight”.
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Wilder would kill ngannou anywhere
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I don’t think any boxers actually think their two hands beats 4 limbs and grappling though.
It seems only MMA fans always need to point out that boxers are overmatched in an MMA fight, which really, needs no pointing out.
I'm not sure if you can read/why you have gone off on tangents. I was replying to the point that journeyman ufc heavys would destroy elite boxing heavy 99/100. I just made the point ngannou barely had any training and a few years later is champ. He was primarily a boxer and trained boxing when he first started,but he wasn't good enough for boxing and went to mma to try his hand there. He worked hard to be fair to him but he had no wrestling/ground game a fe wyears ago and he did well didn't he? So that's the point I was making that it isnt 99 out 100 as a journeyman ufc heavy isn't really that skilled.
MMA fans summed up there. Going out there way to prove boxing is inferior yet do you actually think boxers care?
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Those 2 examples are not "most" boxers. The thread I linked has the MMA records of 61 different boxers. 39 of them have winning records in MMA and 21 have losing. Very few boxers have fought a mixed martial artist of any note and even fewer have actually won.
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But when comes to PPV... let's see the numbres on Pac vs Spence later on and compare it to Eddie's numbers.
EIDT: also, boxing and mma are different sports. Put a mma guy against a boxer in striking and the boxer wins in pure punching and the mma guy in kicking. same with ground and wrestling, those 2 are totally different.
EIDT: also, boxing and mma are different sports. Put a mma guy against a boxer in striking and the boxer wins in pure punching and the mma guy in kicking. same with ground and wrestling, those 2 are totally different.
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Once again you need to take it on a case by case basis. You can't group all of it together. I'm trying to explain it to you but you can't seem to understand. Also what does mcgregor count as considering he was a boxer first as he was in the Irish amateurs? Exactly it doesn't take that into account does it? Same for whyte(did kickboxing first), lucas brown did boxing first but it says mma first on that post.
Which famous male boxers have gone over to mma apart from toney and mercer?
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Boxing is the ultimate form of combat.
Anything after that is pure cope for the fact that you couldn't cut it as a boxer.
It has the deepest talent pool by a large margin vs any other combat sport in the world. This is pure fact. This alone puts it at the very top as the apex combat sport.
MMA, by comparison, has the talent pool comparable to darts or pool.
The entire comparison of what is real fight vs what is not is pure cope from insecure MMA fanboys.
Why are you MMA guys faulting the boxers because they saw simply ZERO financial incentive to train an inferior form of combat (MMA) so that they can be paid less and have far less status? For what reason would a 3rd world, dirt poor child would take up MMA (a far more expensive sport for FAR smaller pay), when that same child can take up boxing, and potentially make millions and millions more? So that the child can satisfy MMA weirdo's obsessions with being "the ultimate warrior, bro!"?
The issue in this debate has never been about talent for you MMA guys. Your entire narrative is based on the fact that boxers CHOOSE not to participate in your DISCIPLINE. Your entire argument falls apart when addressing this.
Fact of that matter is, due to boxing's immensely large world wide talent pool, boxing pretty much siphons up all the most genetically gifted athletes and fighters, PERIOD. Due to the money involved, these genetically gifted fighters and athlete CHOOSE to learn the discipline of boxing.
Take these very same genetically gifted and superior athletes and fighters, have them train muaythai/wrestling/MMA, and they would absolutely CRUSH those sports as well. But there is no money involved in those inferior sports and their tiny talent pool, so all the best fighting talents in the world naturally migrate to boxing.
You MMA fanboys have absolutely ZERO basis for why a freak athlete like Manny Pacqiauo, Mayweather, Joshua, GGG, couldn't have easily taken up kickboxing/MMA and dominate harder than any MMA scrubs before them.
The issue/debate should have never been about something arbitrary like discipline (kickboxing vs boxing vs MMA) but about GENETIC POTENTIALS. The sport with the most money naturally has the largest talent pool, which naturally results in the creme de la creme of world wide fighting TALENT.
Anything after that is pure cope for the fact that you couldn't cut it as a boxer.
It has the deepest talent pool by a large margin vs any other combat sport in the world. This is pure fact. This alone puts it at the very top as the apex combat sport.
MMA, by comparison, has the talent pool comparable to darts or pool.
The entire comparison of what is real fight vs what is not is pure cope from insecure MMA fanboys.
Why are you MMA guys faulting the boxers because they saw simply ZERO financial incentive to train an inferior form of combat (MMA) so that they can be paid less and have far less status? For what reason would a 3rd world, dirt poor child would take up MMA (a far more expensive sport for FAR smaller pay), when that same child can take up boxing, and potentially make millions and millions more? So that the child can satisfy MMA weirdo's obsessions with being "the ultimate warrior, bro!"?
The issue in this debate has never been about talent for you MMA guys. Your entire narrative is based on the fact that boxers CHOOSE not to participate in your DISCIPLINE. Your entire argument falls apart when addressing this.
Fact of that matter is, due to boxing's immensely large world wide talent pool, boxing pretty much siphons up all the most genetically gifted athletes and fighters, PERIOD. Due to the money involved, these genetically gifted fighters and athlete CHOOSE to learn the discipline of boxing.
Take these very same genetically gifted and superior athletes and fighters, have them train muaythai/wrestling/MMA, and they would absolutely CRUSH those sports as well. But there is no money involved in those inferior sports and their tiny talent pool, so all the best fighting talents in the world naturally migrate to boxing.
You MMA fanboys have absolutely ZERO basis for why a freak athlete like Manny Pacqiauo, Mayweather, Joshua, GGG, couldn't have easily taken up kickboxing/MMA and dominate harder than any MMA scrubs before them.
The issue/debate should have never been about something arbitrary like discipline (kickboxing vs boxing vs MMA) but about GENETIC POTENTIALS. The sport with the most money naturally has the largest talent pool, which naturally results in the creme de la creme of world wide fighting TALENT.
Touched on some good points. What mma fans fail to understand is boxing depth is wayy more then mma. There's also a great amateur system in some countries and some countries push forward their a+ athletes into boxing so you get more elite athletes in comparison to mma plus its harder to win a belt if the depth is way more even if there's 4 belts. And the main reason boxers don't go to the octagon is money they don't need to prove themselves as a man like mma fans expect them to lol.
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The entire narrative that boxing isn't real fighting, or that MMA is closer to real fight simulation is pure cope from weirdos and nerds who have never engaged in a fight in their lives.
Boxers are superior fights, and have far higher potential to be superior MMA fighters, IF THEY WOULD HAVE CHOSEN THAT PATH. But they didn't, because a) MMA isn't that popular, b) MMA doesn't pay anywhere close to boxing, and c) MMA doesn't have anywhere near the prestige, world wide fame, and history as boxing.
So when you MMA dorks say something like, "Well, Mayweather would lose in a "real" fight vs MMA guys" you dorks sound completely out of touch with reality.
If MMA would have paid boxers 150 million a fight 20-30 years ago when Floyd was still a child, then perhaps Floyd Mayweather would have chosen MMA over boxing. And because we know for a FACT that Mayweather is genetically superior to literally every single MMA fighter in history, athletically, reflex, twitch, ring IQ, durability, chin, etc., we can make a factual statement that Floyd would have equally dominated MMA as he did boxing.
Why? Because Mayweather is a genetic freak athlete unlike anything we've seen in MMA. Who are you to say someone with Floyd's speed, fight IQ, physical talent, wouldn't have learned to low kick faster and harder than any MMA bum in MMA's history?
Similarly, if MMA would have paid 30 million a fight during the 80s, then perhaps a genetic monster like Mike Tyson would have taken up MMA? Mike Tyson would easily have the most explosive takedown in the history of wrestling and MMA because Mike Tyson is a genetically FAR superior to any bum athlete in wrestling OR MMA.
Again, if a genetic embarrassment like Tim Sylvia can dominate and become UFC HW champion with just his size alone, then surely genetic specimens like Joshua, Wilder, and Fury would dominate MMA FAR FAR FAR harder than Sylvia ever could, with their combination of size, strength, athleticism, speed, IQ.
MMA is a joke because the talent pool is a joke. Coping with the whole "hurr durr MMA is real fighting!" is pure low IQ cope.
If MMA ever paid the same as boxing, those very same talented boxers would migrate over to MMA and dominate and embarrass the sport.
If a complete boxing failure like Ngannou can transition over as a BOXING NOVICE, and dominate life long MMA practitioners like Stipe and Arlovski, then surely ANY mid to high lever HW boxers can do the exact same thing, in less than the time it took Ngannou to do it (less than 6 years, what a joke!).
Boxers are superior fights, and have far higher potential to be superior MMA fighters, IF THEY WOULD HAVE CHOSEN THAT PATH. But they didn't, because a) MMA isn't that popular, b) MMA doesn't pay anywhere close to boxing, and c) MMA doesn't have anywhere near the prestige, world wide fame, and history as boxing.
So when you MMA dorks say something like, "Well, Mayweather would lose in a "real" fight vs MMA guys" you dorks sound completely out of touch with reality.
If MMA would have paid boxers 150 million a fight 20-30 years ago when Floyd was still a child, then perhaps Floyd Mayweather would have chosen MMA over boxing. And because we know for a FACT that Mayweather is genetically superior to literally every single MMA fighter in history, athletically, reflex, twitch, ring IQ, durability, chin, etc., we can make a factual statement that Floyd would have equally dominated MMA as he did boxing.
Why? Because Mayweather is a genetic freak athlete unlike anything we've seen in MMA. Who are you to say someone with Floyd's speed, fight IQ, physical talent, wouldn't have learned to low kick faster and harder than any MMA bum in MMA's history?
Similarly, if MMA would have paid 30 million a fight during the 80s, then perhaps a genetic monster like Mike Tyson would have taken up MMA? Mike Tyson would easily have the most explosive takedown in the history of wrestling and MMA because Mike Tyson is a genetically FAR superior to any bum athlete in wrestling OR MMA.
Again, if a genetic embarrassment like Tim Sylvia can dominate and become UFC HW champion with just his size alone, then surely genetic specimens like Joshua, Wilder, and Fury would dominate MMA FAR FAR FAR harder than Sylvia ever could, with their combination of size, strength, athleticism, speed, IQ.
MMA is a joke because the talent pool is a joke. Coping with the whole "hurr durr MMA is real fighting!" is pure low IQ cope.
If MMA ever paid the same as boxing, those very same talented boxers would migrate over to MMA and dominate and embarrass the sport.
If a complete boxing failure like Ngannou can transition over as a BOXING NOVICE, and dominate life long MMA practitioners like Stipe and Arlovski, then surely ANY mid to high lever HW boxers can do the exact same thing, in less than the time it took Ngannou to do it (less than 6 years, what a joke!).
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why would you care about likes? what a stupid thing to care about in a forum.
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It blows my mind MMA guys are still spewing this nonsense after Mcgregor vs Mayweather essentially exposed the genetic gap in the two sports.
Mcgreogr, and MMA strike who MMA fanboys touted as having "nuclear power!" and "amazing timing and speed". They really thought that if Mcgregor landed on Mayweather, it would surely result in the same as when Mcgregor touched those MMA manlet bums like Sivers, Mendes, and Aldo.
This is the problem with having almost no perspective on either sport. They have this warped, narrow minded view and base their entirely belief around this.
What happened when Mcgregor fought Floyd? Right, MMA got completely exposed for how INFERIOR their fighters/athletes are.
Remember, it's GENETIC, NOT discipline.
Mcgregor simply didn't have the genetic to hang with boxing guys. His once feared MMA punching power was but a JOKE vs Mayweather.
The supposed nuclear left hand became pillow fist vs the iron jaws of a boxer.
The MMA speed of Mcgregor became molasses vs the handspeed of a real boxer. The timing was not actual timing, but the simple advantage of having fighting nothing but MMA manlets.
Mcgregor, despite being far bigger in size and weight, couldn't ever pose a real threat to Mayweather simply because Mayweather was the superior genetic specimen.
Mayweather's speed, durability, endurance, chin, power, everything, just showed Mcgregor that he doesn't below anywhere in the same realm, DESPITE Mcgregor being the far bigger man.
Mcgreogr, and MMA strike who MMA fanboys touted as having "nuclear power!" and "amazing timing and speed". They really thought that if Mcgregor landed on Mayweather, it would surely result in the same as when Mcgregor touched those MMA manlet bums like Sivers, Mendes, and Aldo.
This is the problem with having almost no perspective on either sport. They have this warped, narrow minded view and base their entirely belief around this.
What happened when Mcgregor fought Floyd? Right, MMA got completely exposed for how INFERIOR their fighters/athletes are.
Remember, it's GENETIC, NOT discipline.
Mcgregor simply didn't have the genetic to hang with boxing guys. His once feared MMA punching power was but a JOKE vs Mayweather.
The supposed nuclear left hand became pillow fist vs the iron jaws of a boxer.
The MMA speed of Mcgregor became molasses vs the handspeed of a real boxer. The timing was not actual timing, but the simple advantage of having fighting nothing but MMA manlets.
Mcgregor, despite being far bigger in size and weight, couldn't ever pose a real threat to Mayweather simply because Mayweather was the superior genetic specimen.
Mayweather's speed, durability, endurance, chin, power, everything, just showed Mcgregor that he doesn't below anywhere in the same realm, DESPITE Mcgregor being the far bigger man.
Wilder was a novice dominating lifelong boxers. Stop acting as if the talent pools overlap 1-1. It’s fucking stupid on both sides. The skills needed aren’t identical. Being great at boxing doesn’t mean you’d be great at mma and vice versa.
Floyd, one of the greatest boxers of all time, is better at boxing than conor, who had 0 professional boxing fights. Def proves boxers are superior. Derp.
