Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing

[Irabbs]

It always comes from people who have never set foot in the ring or cage - which unfortunately, thanks to MMA’s comparatively casual fanbase, is most MMA fans.

As far as single combat sports go, boxing is up there with the very most effective in a real life situation. It’s just brutally efficient. It’s treated by a large portion of casual MMA fans in a bizarre manner that seems to equate it with Kung Fu or some eastern martial art based loosely on dance choreography. Ironically, it’s literally the most opposite to that.

I actually thought alot of mma fans followed boxing first like I did and watch both. In reality alot of mma fans don't know shit about boxing and follow it casually. They parrott people like joe rogan and make out like they know about boxing themselves. I mean mma/mcgregor fans were calling floyd the goat of boxing just cause rogan did then they even said mcgregor nearly beat floyd lol. Complete lack of understanding of the sport I agree with you.

 

[Irabbs]

As far as single combats go I agree it's up there, nobody in MMA equates Boxing with Kung Fu lol

The point is you need to train everything to a degree if you want to be prepared for a real life self defense situation

Einstein strikes again. Well done for that top analysis really adding to the discussion. Not.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Almost all of this choreographed ‘how to deal with an armed attacker’ stuff is 100% bullshit. The reality is, if a guy has a blade and you decide to grapple with him, there’s a very high chance he’s going to slide that in between your ribs.

You MIGHT have a chance with a striking art, in the sense that if you could react quickly you could hit him and get out, but as soon as someone brings out a knife the smart thing to do is get out of there, or de-escalate anyway you can.

It's not 100% bullshit, yeah if a guy has a knife you should run, but if you're forced to engage with him, it's helpful to have knowledge on how to deal with it, sometimes you can't just run away

You realize Tim Kennedy is kinda experienced with this sort of thing right?

 

[Irabbs]

A reminder that Jiu-Jitsu, and Wrestling are still very useful even if weapons are involved

Even against a gun?

 

[USA!USA!]

Stupid argument because they are both just sports. You can be good at 1 and suck at the other.. look at Ben Askren. Look at James Toney. 2 different sports.

Obviously someone in MMA is going to do better in a street fight where there are no rules - that doesn't really mean shit. Someone who shoots targets could shoot you with a pistol - does that make target shooting the ELITE of the ELITE sports?

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Stupid argument because they are both just sports. You can be good at 1 and suck at the other.. look at Ben Askren. Look at James Toney. 2 different sports.

Obviously someone in MMA is going to do better in a street fight where there are no rules - that doesn't really mean shit. Someone who shoots targets could shoot you with a pistol - does that make target shooting the ELITE of the ELITE sports?

It's obvious to a lot of us, but a lot of people disagree or are uneducated on the topic

 

[WandCC_77]

To be fair, JustOnce was saying ten top-100 lightweight boxers would beat 10 journeymen heavyweight MMA fighters in a street fight. "Journeyman" was the key word there.

You countered with DC, one of the greatest MMA heavyweights of all time.

But that’s still just not true, At. All. Lol and I love Boxing. With no rules, journeyman MMA heavyweights beat top 100 HW boxers 9/10 times. GTFO with lightweight boxers beating any 250 pound man who even kind of knows how to wrestle.

 

[Khaiser]

It's not 100% bullshit, yeah if a guy has a knife you should run, but if you're forced to engage with him, it's helpful to have knowledge on how to deal with it, sometimes you can't just run away

You realize Tim Kennedy is kinda experienced with this sort of thing right?

What I’m saying is - learning a technique in practice and applying said technique in a life and death situation are two very different things.

It’s not that what he’s doing doesn’t work per se, it’s that it works as part of a very orderly routine that isn’t reflective of real life.

For the vast, vast majority of even highly trained grapplers, trying to grapple with a bloke with a knife would be madness.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

What I’m saying is - learning a technique in practice and applying said technique in a life and death situation are two very different things.

It’s not that what he’s doing doesn’t work per se, it’s that it works as part of a very orderly routine that isn’t reflective of real life.

For the vast, vast majority of even highly trained grapplers, trying to grapple with a bloke with a knife would be madness.

Yeah for sure, but Tim Kennedy is gonna have a better chance of disarming someone with a knife than an untrained person, that's the point, it certainly doesn't make you invincible, and trying to grapple someone with a knife is definitely last resort

 

[Y2Khaos]

MMA fighters do way better when they try boxing then boxers do when they try MMA.

 

[Arkham's Notorious Geyser]

We would get 15 Pages of a sub Boomer Weeabo arguing about MMA vs Boxing among other things the conversation devolved into lol.



Thanks for the entertainment Boys.

 

[Seismic]

There's this odd myth in the MMA community that if you get a boxer to the ground in a 'street fight' he's rendered helpless, like he'll only be trying to swing hooks and uppercuts. In a street fight with no rules you can expect headbutts, biting, eye gouging and more. This is not a controlled environment we're talking about. How easy is it to perform an MMA choke when your opponent is attempting to rip your ballsack off?

 

[Irabbs]

MMA fighters do way better when they try boxing then boxers do when they try MMA.

Not really true based on evidence its pretty equal. And the recent cases have been retired fighters like askren(kod by novice youtuber) or old fighters like mercer(actually kod a legit fighter) /James Toney(past it again). Plus mma fighters train in boxing at times so obvs they should do better right? Considering boxers wouldn't train other aspects of fighting if they went straight into the octagon so yeh... Plus if you wanna use the example of mcgregor he was fighting in the Irish amateurs but was deemed not good enough but atleast he had experience a years of boxing unlike toney/mercer for example in mma.

 

[Irabbs]

But that’s still just not true, At. All. Lol and I love Boxing. With no rules, journeyman MMA heavyweights beat top 100 HW boxers 9/10 times. GTFO with lightweight boxers beating any 250 pound man who even kind of knows how to wrestle.

Funny thing is ngannou went into the ufc cause he was a shite boxer yet he came to the ufc with barely any experience and is champ now a few years later. And your telling me journeyman ufc heavys win 99 times out of 100. Have a word with yourself.

 

[Lychrel]

Boxing is a sport.

MMA is not.

If it was, Fat Beast wouldn't be sniffing a championship.

Athletes don't MMA

No, just athleticism isn't the determining factor.
Sage Northcutt was incredibly athletic. Didn't help him much

 

[Y2Khaos]

Not really true based on evidence its pretty equal. And the recent cases have been retired fighters like askren(kod by novice youtuber) or old fighters like mercer(actually kod a legit fighter) /James Toney(past it again). Plus mma fighters train in boxing at times so obvs they should do better right? Considering boxers wouldn't train other aspects of fighting if they went straight into the octagon so yeh... Plus if you wanna use the example of mcgregor he was fighting in the Irish amateurs but was deemed not good enough but atleast he had experience a years of boxing unlike toney/mercer for example in mma.

Most of them don't get much publicity so most people don't know but dozens of fighters have had crossover fights. It is not pretty equal. Mixed martial artists do better.
List of Boxers who have fought in MMA and Mixed Martial Artists who have boxed

 

[Irabbs]

Most of them don't get much publicity so most people don't know but dozens of fighters have had crossover fights. It is not pretty equal. Mixed martial artists do better.
List of Boxers who have fought in MMA and Mixed Martial Artists who have boxed

Yeh that post doesn't take into account for example if someone is out their prime? It doesn't also take into account that browne for example trained into boxing first then went into mma then back to boxing but that says he was mma first. Loads of holes in that post sorry. Point still stands. Mma fighters train boxing/striking over the years in training camps. Boxers training only with their hands. Oh just read more into that post u sent. Joe Duffy nate diaz and Anderson silva have boxing records? I didn't know this. You know why. Cause they fought absolute nobodies lol. Look at their records for gods sake. How can I take your post serious when u don't even research records first?

 

[MrKontakos]

Insecure manlet. 50 year old shannon brigs would kill him in the streets.

 

[Irabbs]

Insecure manlet. 50 year old shannon brigs would kill him in the streets.

Let's go champ

 

[Y2Khaos]

Yeh that post doesn't take into account for example if someone is out their prime? It doesn't also take into account that browne for example trained into boxing first then went into mma then back to boxing but that says he was mma first. Loads of holes in that post sorry. Point still stands. Mma fighters train boxing/striking over the years in training camps. Boxers training only with their hands. Oh just read more into that post u sent. Joe Duffy nate diaz and Anderson silva have boxing records? I didn't know this. You know why. Cause they fought absolute nobodies lol. Look at their records for gods sake. How can I take your post serious when u don't even research records first?

You same it's unfair because it proves you wrong.