Earth is safe from 'global warming'

[Farmer Br0wn]

earth has always naturally gone through temperature changes for billions of years. even if we do have an effect, it is insignificant in the long run.

Thank you for posting this. When ever people discuss climate change, it tends to be a tale of two charts.

Those who are skeptical of man made climate change look at charts like these and it indicates that changing climate is as natural as rainfall and earthquakes.

Those who believe in man made climate change tend to look at charts made by people like Michael Mann. The so called "hockey stick graph" tends to be the last 2% of the chart you posted. It gives the impression that mankind is the cause of this latest change in climate.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

LOL

If your definition of "insignificant" is "won't cause the planet to explode into a million pieces like Alderaan", yes.
If your definition of "insignificant" is "won't wipe out most existing life forms", then it's far from a sure thing.

You do know that modern civilization would never survive even half of those temperature swings in your graph, right?

I think he meant mankinds effect is insignificant.

 

[TeTe]

If we removed all the pollution and carbon from the atmosphere today, the earth's temperature would increase dramatically.

 

[Ruprecht]

I think he meant mankinds effect is insignificant.

Only the profoundly ignorant could look at that chart and believe that's what it shows.
I also wonder what exactly it's supposed to be attributing to New Scientist.

 

[Kevin Rudd]

Leave it to politicians instead

Anyways, u read the article too quickly "a group of retired NASA Apollo scientists and engineers"; it says 7 of the 40 were astronauts. Liberals turn to nasa on global warming issues nowadays (but only when they like what they have to say)

I didn't even bother to read the article. This is a Retard Robert thread you are talking about, it is instantly dismissed as stupid.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

I think he meant mankinds effect is insignificant.

?
I'm sure he did and that's what I assumed when I wrote my response.

Most people wouldn't define "radically altering life on the planet" as insignificant, regardless of what changes may have occurred millions of years before humans.

 

[lowsingle]

LOL

If your definition of "insignificant" is "won't cause the planet to explode into a million pieces like Alderaan", yes.
If your definition of "insignificant" is "won't wipe out most existing life forms", then it's far from a sure thing.

You do know that modern civilization would never survive even half of those temperature swings in your graph, right?

we can/will change the earth's temperature by a few degrees, we can wipe out some species, we can change the ocean level. but we won't destroy our own species and most around us from global warming, deforestation, overfishing, direct pollution (trash in the ocean, chemicals in the air etc.) will do MANY times more damage than man made climate change.

and even if we do change it by a few degrees, the earth can suddenly and unpredictably change either hotter or colder, in a much larger magnitude than we can cause.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You do know that modern civilization would never survive even half of those temperature swings in your graph, right?

And you won't even live to be 130. So what the fuck should you care?

 

[Kevin Rudd]

And you won't even live to be 130. So what the fuck should you care?

Right on. None of us should give a fuck about future generations, our children or our grandchildren.

Fuck em all right?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Right on. None of us should give a fuck about future generations, our children or our grandchildren.

Fuck em all right?

It won't even affect them. By the time the heat came rolling around, the offspring you speak of would as much of a relative to you as I am. Unless you sincerely care about that one guy you're barely related to (many thousands of years from now) whose destiny you can't change, in which case, feel free to worry all you want.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

And you won't even live to be 130. So what the fuck should you care?

About the fate of humanity?

Really?

It won't even affect them. By the time the heat came rolling around, the offspring you speak of would as much of a relative to you as I am. Unless you sincerely care about that one guy you're barely related to (many thousands of years from now) whose destiny you can't change, in which case, feel free to worry all you want.

So you don't consider raising the level of oceans, flooding large sections of currently settled land, extinguishing species, and the like vs not doing so "changing their destiny"?

 

[45ACP]

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

The vast majority of scientists used to believe the earth was flat and the outliers were called fools and crazy people. Just sayin'.

 

[Rematch]

Does anyone know what termites are?
Does anyone how long termites have been around on this planet?
Does anyone know what flatulence is?
Does anyone know what type of gas is in termite flatus?
How often do you think a single termite expels flatus within its lifetime?
How many termites do you think have been in existence?

I know that the questions I ask seem ridiculous. But upon researching these questions, you will find that man's contribution towards global warming is minute and that his actions to mitigate it are futile.

 

[Stokanator]

If god (if they believed there was a god) himself said there was no such thing as man made global warming, it still wouldn't be enough to change the minds of the global warming blowhards.

I'm 33 years old, when I was in middle school I remember some of my teachers consistently preaching about the hole in the ozone layer, that it was growing bigger and bigger with every passing year. The super extreme environmentalists crowd went as far as claiming if we didn't make immediate changes the world was going to be doomed in a matter of decades. Now you never if ever hear anything about it once their argument fell apart. It's undisputedly proven the ozone layer is created by the sun, and with places like the north and south poles where the sun doesn't shine 6 months out of the year it makes perfect sense the ozone would be weaker above that part of the world. This also explained why at certain times the hole was undetectable.



The Earth has been going through different climate cycles since before people ever walked this earth. You can damn well guarantee if the Earth went through another one of these natural changes our environmentalist friends would still be claiming it was man made in order to push their agenda.

The is no question it is extremely important we take care and work to preserve our environment and it should remain a consistent focus. Even though I believe the whole man made climate change arguement is absolute garbage there has been good things that have came out of it but I don't think deceiving the people in order create new forms of taxation and to help environmentalist achieve their goals is a good way to go about it. It's because of examples like this that liberals are accused of having the philosophy that it's ok to lie as long as the end justifies the means.

 

[kpt018]

If god (if they believed there was a god) himself said there was no such thing as man made global warming, it still wouldn't be enough to change the minds of the global warming blowhards.

I'm 33 years old, when I was in middle school I remember some of my teachers consistently preaching about the hole in the ozone layer, that it was growing bigger and bigger with every passing year. The super extreme environmentalists crowd went as far as claiming if we didn't make immediate changes the world was going to be doomed in a matter of decades. Now you never if ever hear anything about it once their argument fell apart. It's undisputedly proven the ozone layer is created by the sun, and with places like the north and south poles where the sun doesn't shine 6 months out of the year it makes perfect sense the ozone would be weaker above that part of the world. This also explained why at certain times the hole was undetectable.



The Earth has been going through different climate cycles since before people ever walked this earth. You can damn well guarantee if the Earth went through another one of these natural changes our environmentalist friends would still be claiming it was man made in order to push their agenda.

The is no question it is extremely important we take care and work to preserve our environment and it should remain a consistent focus. Even though I believe the whole man made climate change arguement is absolute garbage there has been good things that have came out of it but I don't think deceiving the people in order create new forms of taxation and to help environmentalist achieve their goals is a good way to go about it. It's because of examples like this that liberals are accused of having the philosophy that it's ok to lie as long as the end justifies the means.

If you think climate change is a load of shit, why did you say this: "it is extremely important we take care and work to preserve our environment and it should remain a consistent focus". Just curious what you do think are issues here.

Your first statement is incredibly stupid btw. And people believe that climate change exists, is man made and is a problem because the great majority of climate scientists concluded that and have evidence to back it up. The "word of God" statement misses on a lot of levels.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

When dealing with climate issues, climate scientists >>>>> aerospace engineers.

And 98% of climate scientists agree that humans are responsible for climate change.

 

[IDL]

And how many of that 98% are state sponsored?

The thing that gets me is the power grab being executed in the name of saving the earth. These are the same people that fight wars for resources and are in bed with Big oil.

since when do they care about anything but wealth and power? If people can be scared, then it's easy to grab power.

 

[MeatheadMike]

I think we should hand over our money and cede control to these UN guys just in case.

Or we can just continue handing our money to big oil.

 

[kpt018]

And how many of that 98% are state sponsored?

The thing that gets me is the power grab being executed in the name of saving the earth. These are the same people that fight wars for resources and are in bed with Big oil.

since when do they care about anything but wealth and power? If people can be scared, then it's easy to grab power.

That's such a weak critique.

If you want to challenge what is now the consensus of climate scientists, you can challenge the science and evidence that support those conclusions. You can directly challenge their conclusions without all the circumstantial crap you throw out there all the time. That's the beauty of science.

The CT without evidence act is getting really old dude.

 

[Stokanator]

If you think climate change is a load of shit, why did you say this: "it is extremely important we take care and work to preserve our environment and it should remain a consistent focus". Just curious what you do think are issues here.

Your first statement is incredibly stupid btw. And people believe that climate change exists, is man made and is a problem because the great majority of climate scientists concluded that and have evidence to back it up. The "word of God" statement misses on a lot of levels.

Just because I don't believe in man made global warming doesn't mean I enjoy breathing in dirty polluted air! I believe we should challenge our automotive companies to build and design more efficient cars, and continue to seek other clean energy solutions.

If you think a "great majority" of scientists is half then sure. Oh and your referring to the climate scientists that want to ensure the particular career they've chosen and are greatly invested in stays highly marketable? Anyone who knows this subject throughly knows the model their basing their "proof" on is an absolute joke! You should read about it........it's in books.