Early UFC #219 Buys

Just shows me what I already knew, that UFC isn't going to have Ronda Rousey like buys with WMMA headlining today.
 
There is no way to prove who drew such numbers Khabib or Holly. But looking at the social media reactions and youtube views pre fight it seems people were more interested in the Khabib fight. Tbf 350k is huge for this shit card.
 
FrankieNYC said:
All valid
With more money in the sport now, things changed
Sadly a byproduct of growing as an entity

EDIT: But in no way do I rip fighters for doing what is right by them. It is their lives/business/brand.
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Right!! BUTTTTT why are they allowing their business model to change??? This is why i cant stand people paying for shit ufc cards!! It hurts us all!!! like i said im sure ufc 220 will do very well and deservedly so... but with 219 doing 350 and 221 another shit card around the corner, im very nervous that the days of STACKED cards has come to an end. For the ufc to have the balls to put on such a bad card for the year end card is appaling to me. The year end card has historically always been one of if not the best card of the year.

THIS SUCKS!
 
I think Cyborg is a good reason for this numbers. More than Holly.
 
qw3rty said:
I agree and I can't believe some sherdoggers think these numbers are high because of Khabib lol
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Id think many more people bought that card for the khabib fight then the WMMA fight.
 
rb3b3 said:
Right!! BUTTTTT why are they allowing their business model to change??? This is why i cant stand people paying for shit ufc cards!! It hurts us all!!! like i said im sure ufc 220 will do very well and deservedly so... but with 219 doing 350 and 221 another shit card around the corner, im very nervous that the days of STACKED cards has come to an end. For the ufc to have the balls to put on such a bad card for the year end card is appaling to me. The year end card jas historically always been one of the if not the best card of the year.

THIS SUCKS!
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Because it makes them more money
I don't think for a second early Fertitta era wouldn't do as many "money fights" (lack of better word).
There just wasn't as many

Brock vs Randy proves they would
 
rb3b3 said:
For the ufc to have the balls to put on such a bad card for the year end card is appaling to me. The year end card has historically always been one of if not the best card of the year.
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Well, to be fair
Conor & Ferg was on the table until Conor bailed on the fight
 
rb3b3 said:
Right!! BUTTTTT why are they allowing their business model to change??? This is why i cant stand people paying for shit ufc cards!! It hurts us all!!! like i said im sure ufc 220 will do very well and deservedly so... but with 219 doing 350 and 221 another shit card around the corner, im very nervous that the days of STACKED cards has come to an end. For the ufc to have the balls to put on such a bad card for the year end card is appaling to me. The year end card has historically always been one of if not the best card of the year.

THIS SUCKS!
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Hard reality is that since the Fox deal was signed, stacked cards have become much rarer. The launch of FS1, with yet another expansion of cards, really killed the old model. There have been a couple of years, 2015 and 2016, when, thanks to there being quite a number of active big stars, the PPV cards were mostly good. But those years are the exception. I agree, it sucks.
 
FrankieNYC said:
Because it makes them more money
I don't think for a second early Fertitta era wouldn't do as many "money fights" (lack of better word).
There just wasn't as many

Brock vs Randy proves they would
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Is that really what makes them more money?? ORRR is their effective cost cutting tools and tv rights what is making them the money? ppv buys were way down for 2017 even tho we had maymac.
 
rb3b3 said:
Is that really what makes them more money?? ORRR is their effective cost cutting tools and tv rights what is making them the money? ppv buys were way down for 2017 even tho we had maymac.
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GSP vs Bisping was the second biggest PPV & that can be considered a monery fight
The other fights that did lower were not

In the current PPV environment, money fights create an event & that makes it easy to sell a PPV since very very few are singular purchases
Remember in-between MayPac & MayMac Floyd did 400k

You are not wrong about cuts/TV (I see you are good at comprehension) but it all factors in.
One does not negate the other
 
Mob69 said:
Hard reality is that since the Fox deal was signed, stacked cards have become much rarer. The launch of FS1, with yet another expansion of cards, really killed the old model. There have been a couple of years, 2015 and 2016, when, thanks to there being quite a number of active big stars, the PPV cards were mostly good. But those years are the exception. I agree, it sucks.
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Thats not entirely true, back in its heyday what the ufc really had going for them was the fact that they would put on 5 great fights for a ppv unlike boxing which has one great fight and the rest garbage. However its like you said since the fox deal stacked cards are much more rare thus becoming like boxing urghhh.
 
Google trends Cyborg, Holm and Nurmy in the USA

cyborg holm nurmy.jpg
 
rb3b3 said:
How do we know this to be a fact Frankie?
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As much as a fact as it can be
It was widely known it was negotiated by a lot of parties.
Meltzer reported this:
The UFC was looking for a monster show on 12/30 with Conor McGregor vs. Tony Ferguson, Tyron Woodley vs. Nate Diaz and Cyborg vs. Holm, with the idea that with that card would legit blow past 1 million buys and with GSP-Bisping, that 2017 would end up super profitable.

McGregor and Ferguson talks were going back-and-forth on the McGregor side, and were apparently frustrating in the sense UFC would agree to what he wanted, then he’d change what he wanted. He also expressed concern that Ferguson wasn’t a big enough name to pull the kind of numbers he was used to pulling and UFC said they’d promote the hell out of Ferguson leading to the fight.

After the incident last week when he hopped the cage in Dublin, UFC was the one that made the call to end negotiations for 12/30.

McGregor’s trainer John Kavanagh, said that McGregor probably wouldn’t fight again until April or the summer, although the impression we have is UFC would want him against Ferguson for the 3/3 show in Las Vegas
 
FrankieNYC said:
GSP vs Bisping was the second biggest PPV & that can be considered a monery fight
The other fights that did lower were not

In the current PPV environment, money fights create an event & that makes it easy to sell a PPV since very very few are singular purchases
Remember in-between MayPac & MayMac Floyd did 400k

You are not wrong about cuts/TV (I see you are good at comprehension) but it all factors in.
One does not negate the other
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yes of course i remember that..
FrankieNYC said:
GSP vs Bisping was the second biggest PPV & that can be considered a monery fight
The other fights that did lower were not

In the current PPV environment, money fights create an event & that makes it easy to sell a PPV since very very few are singular purchases
Remember in-between MayPac & MayMac Floyd did 400k

You are not wrong about cuts/TV (I see you are good at comprehension) but it all factors in.
One does not negate the other
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what do u mean by singular purchases? I think ufc 217 did soo well because it was a stacked card not only a money fight. jj vs rose, cody v tj, gsp v bisping.. 3 titles were on the line, that was def a stacked card.. now i ask u this.. do u think gsp v bisping would have done the same numbers had there been 4 shit fights on the card with them? gsp v bisping wasnt just a money fight, it actually meant something as it was for the undisputed mw title right?
 
rb3b3 said:
Thats not entirely true, back in its heyday what the ufc really had going for them was the fact that they would put on 5 great fights for a ppv unlike boxing which has one great fight and the rest garbage. However its like you said since the fox deal stacked cards are much more rare thus becoming like boxing urghhh.
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Makes no sense to me.
I feel like if they had added 2 more big fights to this last card the increased sales would more than pay for the extra fighters salaries.

4 more fighters at $200,000 each is only $800,000. 50,000 more buys at $60 would be 3 million more.
 
FrankieNYC said:
As much as a fact as it can be
It was widely known it was negotiated by a lot of parties.
Meltzer reported this:
The UFC was looking for a monster show on 12/30 with Conor McGregor vs. Tony Ferguson, Tyron Woodley vs. Nate Diaz and Cyborg vs. Holm, with the idea that with that card would legit blow past 1 million buys and with GSP-Bisping, that 2017 would end up super profitable.

McGregor and Ferguson talks were going back-and-forth on the McGregor side, and were apparently frustrating in the sense UFC would agree to what he wanted, then he’d change what he wanted. He also expressed concern that Ferguson wasn’t a big enough name to pull the kind of numbers he was used to pulling and UFC said they’d promote the hell out of Ferguson leading to the fight.

After the incident last week when he hopped the cage in Dublin, UFC was the one that made the call to end negotiations for 12/30.

McGregor’s trainer John Kavanagh, said that McGregor probably wouldn’t fight again until April or the summer, although the impression we have is UFC would want him against Ferguson for the 3/3 show in Las Vegas
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thats the first i saw that report. thanks frankie:)
 
rb3b3 said:
yes of course i remember that..


what do u mean by singular purchases? I think ufc 217 did soo well because it was a stacked card not only a money fight. jj vs rose, cody v tj, gsp v bisping.. 3 titles were on the line, that was def a stacked card.. now i ask u this.. do u think gsp v bisping would have done the same numbers had there been 4 shit fights on the card with them? gsp v bisping wasnt just a money fight, it actually meant something as it was for the undisputed mw title right?
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Singular purchase = Someone buying a PPV & watching by themselves
Every study shows that to be a dwindling & minority number
Most are watched by multiply people
 
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