Dumb myths about UFC HW division

[GOATtalks]

Now you're just acting as a shill.

Gane, Volkov and Waldo are all supremely boring.

Same for Pavlovich if he plans to keep fighting like he did in his last fight.

No one is interested in HW point fighters.

lol. I truly enjoy all of them fighting.

Gane- has a 69% finishing rate. In his last 4 wins, he only has 1 decision. I don’t know how you can you call him a point fighter.

Volkov- 74% finishing rate. In his last 4 wins he finished 3 opponents, 2 of them in the first round. Do you actually watch the fights? Or just talk out your ass?

Pavlovich- 79% finishing rate, lol. He had a 6 first round KO streak in UFC. The man is a bulldozer.

Waldo- has a 50% finishing rate, which isn’t that high, but the dude lands 6 significant strikes per minute. That’s more than Nick Diaz did and he’s a HW. He’s definitely not trying to stall a fight and just win by points, he’s aggressive and always throwing down.

Finishing rate of all time great HW’s
Fedor- 73%
Nog- 72%
Cain- 86%
Werdum- 75%
Stipe- 75%
Ngannou- 94%

Only Ngannou and Cain had significantly higher finishing rates than these guys. But then we also have Aspinall who beats them all with a 100% finishing rate.

I’m not a shill, you’re just acting like a retard

 

[GOATtalks]

Hardy was the same In mma he was in nfl

Top tier mid level

And Lane is the lowest level in UFC, just like he was in NFL.

So does it mean, that UFC HW= NFL in terms of skill and athleticism?

 

[GOATtalks]

Enjoy your division with 5 good fighters in it.

I will watch only if bored, and all my household chores are caught up.

Aspinall
Gane
Volkov
Pavlovich
Almeida
Blaydes
Waldo
Lewis
Kuniev
Teixeira
Walker
Diniz
Petrino
Pinto
Delija

I think that’s about enough to make the division interesting to watch

 

[GOATtalks]

Myth: Jon Jones returned as soon as Francis Ngannou left the company.

Truth: Jon signed a contract in November 2022 to fight at UFC 285 (March 2023). Franci$ was released in January 2023.

Source?

Jones vs Gane was announced on January 15th 2023z

Jones-Gane HW title bout set; Ngannou released

Jon Jones' long-awaited return will come March 4 for the heavyweight title against Ciryl Gane, a bout that comes after the UFC failed to reach terms with Francis Ngannou.

www.espn.com.au

 

[Megatronlee]

And Lane is the lowest level in UFC, just like he was in NFL.

So does it mean, that UFC HW= NFL in terms of skill and athleticism?

No. Just means Hardy is a good enough athlete to do anything at a competent level. That’s all

 

[GOATtalks]

Dumb thread from a dumb poster.

Dumb comment from a dumb poster

 

[GOATtalks]

No. Just means Hardy is a good enough athlete to do anything at a competent level. That’s all

So what about Lane?

 

[Trabaho]

I don’t know about that. Bautista’s only notable wins are Aldo, who was definitely out of prime and Patchy who isn’t really good either and unproven in UFC.

Buday beat Arlovski and he also beat Buchecha, who was considered a great prospect.

Dude Arlovski is ancient greece old. Bautista is elite. Buday is nowhere near a contender. Split decision vs Oldlovski. Patchy isn't a prospect but proven fighter.

 

[GOATtalks]

@HI SCOTT NEWMAN
Don’t be scared homie

 

[GOATtalks]

Dude Arlovski is ancient greece old. Bautista is elite. Buday is nowhere near a contender. Split decision vs Oldlovski. Patchy isn't a prospect but proven fighter.

Cool. The fact is that Bautista is a top contender at a super fast and exciting weight class and he’s still boring AF to watch.

 

[theincognito]

lol. I truly enjoy all of them fighting.

Gane- has a 69% finishing rate. In his last 4 wins, he only has 1 decision. I don’t know how you can you call him a point fighter.

Volkov- 74% finishing rate. In his last 4 wins he finished 3 opponents, 2 of them in the first round. Do you actually watch the fights? Or just talk out your ass?

Pavlovich- 79% finishing rate, lol. He had a 6 first round KO streak in UFC. The man is a bulldozer.

Waldo- has a 50% finishing rate, which isn’t that high, but the dude lands 6 significant strikes per minute. That’s more than Nick Diaz did and he’s a HW. He’s definitely not trying to stall a fight and just win by points, he’s aggressive and always throwing down.

Finishing rate of all time great HW’s
Fedor- 73%
Nog- 72%
Cain- 86%
Werdum- 75%
Stipe- 75%
Ngannou- 94%

Only Ngannou and Cain had significantly higher finishing rates than these guys. But then we also have Aspinall who beats them all with a 100% finishing rate.

I’m not a shill, you’re just acting like a retard

A lot of those definitely are point fighters even if they ultimately get finishes sometimes.

Gane is a point fighter who sometimes gets finishes from his opponents gassing and succumbing to accumulation. A finish doesn't erase the fact that he point fights.

The inverse is someone like Ngannou who actively looks to take his opponent's head off. THAT is what people expect of HWs. The 'holy shit' type fighters, monsters, highlight reel machines. There's only 1-2 in the entire UFC top 15, which explains the lack of interest in the division.

Your math is also wrong on a lot of your percentages. For instance: you shaved 5% off Fedor's finish rate, which is closer to 80%. (Who's the 'retard' now? You can't even do math )

Ultimately, your original point about the division not being as weak talent-wise as people often claim is true, but now taking it to the point of trying to portray the division as 'interesting' is parody. If you were right, it would show in the form of fan interest.

 

[JBJ was here]

Your math is also wrong on a lot of your percentages. For instance: you shaved 5% off Fedor's finish rate, which is closer to 80%. (Who's the 'retard' now? You can't even do math )

For what it's worth, 73% tracks with Fedor's finish rate through the end of Pride, and don't we all wish that Fedor's career had actually ended there?

 

[GOATtalks]

A lot of those definitely are point fighters even if they ultimately get finishes sometimes.

Gane is a point fighter who sometimes gets finishes from his opponents gassing and succumbing to accumulation. A finish doesn't erase the fact that he point fights.

The inverse is someone like Ngannou who actively looks to take his opponent's head off. THAT is what people expect of HWs. The 'holy shit' type fighters, monsters, highlight reel machines. There's only 1-2 in the entire UFC top 15, which explains the lack of interest in the division.

Your math is also wrong on a lot of your percentages. For instance: you shaved 5% off Fedor's finish rate, which is closer to 80%. (Who's the 'retard' now? You can't even do math )

Ultimately, your original point about the division not being as weak talent-wise as people often claim is true, but now taking it to the point of trying to portray the division as 'interesting' is parody. If you were right, it would show in the form of fan interest.

Don’t know how I fucked up Fedor’s stats. You’re right, it’s actually 77% finish rate. Must’ve been a typo.

There are actually way more highlight reel machine in top15 than just 1-2.

Aspinall, Pavlovich, Lewis, Tuivasa, Teixeira all coming to Rio their opponents heads off

 

[theincognito]

Not all of those are in the ranking I was looking at.



Aspinall and Lewis are the 1-2 that I had in mind. Pavlovich is a maybe because he really changed his style in his last fight. At best it's those 3 in this whole top 15 + champ. 3/16 is not great.

But those you mentioned are definitely the most popular in the division and it's because they are what people want in HWs.

 

[Trabaho]

Not all of those are in the ranking I was looking at.

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Aspinall and Lewis are the 1-2 that I had in mind. Pavlovich is a maybe because he really changed his style in his last fight. At best it's those 3 in this whole top 15 + champ. 3/16 is not great.

But those you mentioned are definitely the most popular in the division and it's because they are what people want in HWs.

Those aren't the official rankings. Tybura and Mick are overranked. Tybura is old, Mick isn't talented.

 

[theincognito]

Those aren't the official rankings. Tybura and Mick are overranked. Tybura is old, Mick isn't talented.

Both are ranked in similar spots on the official. The difference for Tybura is one spot - that has him at #6 ahead of Waldo and the official has him at #7 behind Waldo.

Other differences:

That has Jhonta Diniz, Valter Walker and Mario Pinto while the official has Tai Tuivasa, Tallison Teixeira and Rizvan Kuniev.

The truth is probably a combination of the two: Kuniev, Diniz, Walker.

 

[Megatronlee]

So what about Lane?

Who is lane

 

[Trabaho]

Both are ranked in similar spots on the official. The difference for Tybura is one spot - that has him at #6 ahead of Waldo and the official has him at #7 behind Waldo.

Ok HW is dead. Tibura got old and is 6# let me check that. To be honest HW is boring. They need to sign someone. I tried to defend it. Only good fight will be Gane vs Pavlovich. Also Almeida Pavlovich. Gane Tom is good but I hate it, Tom must win or Jon will laugh at all us. Yeah HW is dying. They should sign new guys. It used to be exciting. They don't even fight. Lowest amount of fighters and inactive division. Boring as hell. If Gane doesn't beat Tom. It's gonna get predictable. Actually Gane Tom than Tom Almeida will be fun fights. If only they scored that fight for the dagestanian and not Curtis we'd have 1 more contender.

Other differences:

That has Jhonta Diniz, Valter Walker and Mario Pinto while the official has Tai Tuivasa, Tallison Teixeira and Rizvan Kuniev.

The truth is probably a combination of the two: Kuniev, Diniz, Walker.

Shamil still could be good. Kuniev is good. Curits won't be champ. Is it me or the ranked HWs fight 1.5 a year. Lol Tybura at 7. Ridiculous. Dude is like 39. At least they should be active. The top 10 can make a few exciting fights still.

Used to be a good division when Cain and JDS were champs. Strikeforce days HW was great.

 

[GOATtalks]

Who is lane

Wow! 11 years on Sherdog and still a casual! Congrats, man!

 

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Jones vs Gane was announced on January 15th 2023z

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Jon Jones' long-awaited return will come March 4 for the heavyweight title against Ciryl Gane, a bout that comes after the UFC failed to reach terms with Francis Ngannou.

www.espn.com.au

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