DQ wins should rarely be awarded

[Rhood]

You ever hear stories about how wild zoo animals have to be put down after biting people?
The reason why this happens is once they get taste of something for the first time and they enjoy it, they'll keep doing it again.

This same concept applies to MMA.

Sterling created somewhat of a blueprint of getting a DQ win.
Once he got a taste of a DQ win, he started training on how to bait another disqualification victory.
When Sterling fought Cejudo, it was blatantly obvious he was baiting for a DQ in that fight with the way he was positioning.

When Cody Brundage fought Malkoun, he got a good taste of having a DQ win.
He even adopted the same strategy and positioned himself to get elbowed in the back of the head in his fight with Bo Nickal. Nickal was more aware of what was happening and tried to avoid a DQ loss at all cost. Yes it was a lackluster fight because Brundage wasn't fighting. He was baiting for a DQ.

Now this brings us to Brundage/Al Hassan. AlHassan starts dominating, and then Brundage queues the DQ bait and AlHassan falls for it just like clockwork.
This could've been a DQ win, but it becomes a no contest.
Either way Brundage doesn't lose and is prepared to DQ bait his next opponent.

Do you see where this is going?
Both Sterling and Brundage got a taste of a DQ win and have learned to use this strategy when they're losing fights.

I think DQ victories should only be awarded for major violations such as biting, soccer kicks, head stomps, fish hooking, etc.
Knees to downed opponents or elbows to the back of the head should always be a no contest if the fighter can't continue.
This is to discourage DQ baiting, which is what we're seeing often now in MMA.

What's your opinion?

 

[chinarice]

Change the stupid rules like no knees to the head of a downed opponent. It's one of the dumbest rules in MMA.

Punches to the back of the head are such a gray area, I find it hard to DQ someone unless they're clearly doing it on purpose. Guys moving their heads around while not looking at the opponent and dude swinging and hitting the back of their head is fair game to me.

 

[Oscar Madison]

Historically -- what percentage of Wins in the UFC are DQ Wins?

 

[VinceArch]

I feel like DQ wins are rarely awarded.

 

[OldBoy91]

Depends on the fight imo.

In the case of a title fight you can't really let the champ keep their belt if they get DQed after a fight ending foul or multiple fouls.

It would just lead to champions intentionally getting disqualified in order to keep their belt.

The the UFC would have to implement heavy fines or something to try to discourage champs from ruining all their PPVs. It would be a whole mess.

 

[Ares Black]

Uh, DQ wins ARE really rare.

 

[Siver!]

Alhassan was dumb. He was being warned not to hit the back of the head and was throwing blindly like a teenager in his first schoolyard fight.

Dude, you're winning, stop yourself and target your shots you clown. You're not frantically trying to squash a bug.

That said, screw Brundage.

I went from holding him in low regard to actively disliking him.

 

[filthybliss]

make it a no-contest, done

 

[Simple Southerner]

Yea true f dq wins Jon Jones is undefeated

 

[JBJ was here]

Keep DQ losses; treat the other side of the fight as a no contest or a technical decision win depending on the circumstances.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Daniel Day Brundage really broke out his acting chops saturday. He went from asking everyone what happened like he just arrived from another planet to saying he can go once the fight was stopped. Brundage wanted out of that fight in a hurry. That being said Hassan was fighting like an idiot. He needed to pick his shots better.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

You ever hear stories about how wild zoo animals have to be put down after biting people?
The reason why this happens is once they get taste of something for the first time and they enjoy it, they'll keep doing it again.

This same concept applies to MMA.

Sterling created somewhat of a blueprint of getting a DQ win.
Once he got a taste of a DQ win, he started training on how to bait another disqualification victory.
When Sterling fought Cejudo, it was blatantly obvious he was baiting for a DQ in that fight with the way he was positioning.

When Cody Brundage fought Malkoun, he got a good taste of having a DQ win.
He even adopted the same strategy and positioned himself to get elbowed in the back of the head in his fight with Bo Nickal. Nickal was more aware of what was happening and tried to avoid a DQ loss at all cost. Yes it was a lackluster fight because Brundage wasn't fighting. He was baiting for a DQ.

Now this brings us to Brundage/Al Hassan. AlHassan starts dominating, and then Brundage queues the DQ bait and AlHassan falls for it just like clockwork.
This could've been a DQ win, but it becomes a no contest.
Either way Brundage doesn't lose and is prepared to DQ bait his next opponent.

Do you see where this is going?
Both Sterling and Brundage got a taste of a DQ win and have learned to use this strategy when they're losing fights.

I think DQ victories should only be awarded for major violations such as biting, soccer kicks, head stomps, fish hooking, etc.
Knees to downed opponents or elbows to the back of the head should always be a no contest if the fighter can't continue.
This is to discourage DQ baiting, which is what we're seeing often now in MMA.

What's your opinion?

This is an extremely stupid opinion. You are entitled to have it but it is based on moronic thinking. Brundage is trying to not get hit. Putting yourself in a position where your opponent isn't allowed to hit you isn't "Baiting for a DQ" it is defending yourself.

Sterling was clearly in a position where it was illegal to knee him. Yan could have tried punching but then he loses control of his opponent who can then get away. Yan wasn't baited into a DQ his IQ caused him to get DQ'd. His own fucking corner said don't knee. The ref told him and he blasted him. DQ win was 100% correct. Otherwise if I am a fighter and losing then I will just blatantly foul and get a NC so no loss on my record.

If Yan wants to knee downed opponents he needs to go fight in One FC.

 

[EndlessCritic]

I don't think DQ's are as big of a problem as NC's being awarded in fights like Ogden vs Motta.

 

[laleggenda27]

DQ wins are an extreme rarity, so this thread is a big bowl of nothing.

More generally, the rules for violations need to be enforced MORE. As it stands now, fighters are essentially gifted 2 or 3 "warnings" for clear violations, so fighters are actually incentivized to break the rules.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I feel like that's a monumentally bad take. DQ'd fighters  try to take bad damage through a foul in the EXTREMELY RARE hope that they get awarded a victory which almost never happens? And the opponents who are in a position to foul them have no other option but to break the rules and get DQ'd?

Yan's corner yelled "Hit" because he had Sterling kneeling right in front of him, and the idiot decided that meant throw a knee. If you have someone in a position where you can foul them, even if they put themselves there, your responsibility is to NOT foul them. You have a lot of options, but victim blaming ain't one of them.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

You ever hear stories about how wild zoo animals have to be put down after biting people?
The reason why this happens is once they get taste of something for the first time and they enjoy it, they'll keep doing it again.

This same concept applies to MMA.

Sterling created somewhat of a blueprint of getting a DQ win.
Once he got a taste of a DQ win, he started training on how to bait another disqualification victory.
When Sterling fought Cejudo, it was blatantly obvious he was baiting for a DQ in that fight with the way he was positioning.

When Cody Brundage fought Malkoun, he got a good taste of having a DQ win.
He even adopted the same strategy and positioned himself to get elbowed in the back of the head in his fight with Bo Nickal. Nickal was more aware of what was happening and tried to avoid a DQ loss at all cost. Yes it was a lackluster fight because Brundage wasn't fighting. He was baiting for a DQ.

Now this brings us to Brundage/Al Hassan. AlHassan starts dominating, and then Brundage queues the DQ bait and AlHassan falls for it just like clockwork.
This could've been a DQ win, but it becomes a no contest.
Either way Brundage doesn't lose and is prepared to DQ bait his next opponent.

Do you see where this is going?
Both Sterling and Brundage got a taste of a DQ win and have learned to use this strategy when they're losing fights.

I think DQ victories should only be awarded for major violations such as biting, soccer kicks, head stomps, fish hooking, etc.
Knees to downed opponents or elbows to the back of the head should always be a no contest if the fighter can't continue.
This is to discourage DQ baiting, which is what we're seeing often now in MMA.

What's your opinion?

The real issue here is that Cody really shows that he doesn't have much heart. That may be smart in the long-run, but having heart is important for this sport and he ain't got it.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

DQ wins are an extreme rarity, so this thread is a big bowl of nothing.

More generally, the rules for violations need to be enforced MORE. As it stands now, fighters are essentially gifted 2 or 3 "warnings" for clear violations, so fighters are actually incentivized to break the rules.

Tim Means fully kneed a clearly kneeling Cowboy Oliveira in the head TWICE and admitted it was intentional, but got a NC because he apparently didn't know the rules. (This was shortly after the downed fighter rule first changed, but neither the old or new version was ever unclear on having a knee down made you grounded, and ignorance of the rules is a shit excuse regardless if they were recently changed or not)

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Getting DQ'd takes true effort

 

[zuffazombee]

Such an Idiotic take, TS.

Essentially, you're saying to combatants "Go ahead. Cheat as blatantly & violently as you like. You're not to blame for breaking the rules."

What's next? Blaming victims of DV because they made their attackers angry???

 

[markys00]

This is an extremely stupid opinion. You are entitled to have it but it is based on moronic thinking. Brundage is trying to not get hit. Putting yourself in a position where your opponent isn't allowed to hit you isn't "Baiting for a DQ" it is defending yourself.

Sterling was clearly in a position where it was illegal to knee him. Yan could have tried punching but then he loses control of his opponent who can then get away. Yan wasn't baited into a DQ his IQ caused him to get DQ'd. His own fucking corner said don't knee. The ref told him and he blasted him. DQ win was 100% correct. Otherwise if I am a fighter and losing then I will just blatantly foul and get a NC so no loss on my record.

If Yan wants to knee downed opponents he needs to go fight in One FC.

Im pretty sure you have the story wrong. His corner was yelling for him to knee him.

Also, no one is saying the knee was illegal. It was the ridiculous acting performance by aljo to get the belt

 

[dog y]

Essentially, you're saying to combatants "Go ahead. Cheat as blatantly & violently as you like. You're not to blame for breaking the rules."

They do that already, though. Picto always eye poked and never got DQ'd