Don't you appreciate Mike Tyson so much more?

[gladiator40]

Francis reminds me of Tyson in a way
Massive monster who was feared by everyone and knocked people dead on such short time

more like frank bruno than Tyson , big massive hw who eventually got beat up.

 

[rstringer]

Tyson lost to all the top hw he faced. Spinks was the only one he beat who had a name . Spinks also was a small hw that moved up from smaller weight class.

The only legitimate top guys he lost to were Evander and Lennox and he faced them after his jail time and his prime. Are we going to discount all his 37 consecutive wins before that?

 

[rstringer]

Sorry to break this to you, but go take a look at Tyson’s resume. It’s extremely thin and unimpressive.

You keep repeating that , who are you comparing him to? Monsters like Klitskho or Lewis?

 

[LEWIS540]

Joe Louis held the title for 12 years in an era there was only 1 title.
That says a lot tbh sir.

Perfect example. Even though he had the “famed bum of the month” run, most rank him as a top 3 HW ever.

Same time, if you time travelled him forward in time he’d get battered by the guys of the 70s, 90s and today, almost certainly.

 

[StonedLemur]

Perfect example. Even though he had the “famed bum of the month” run, most rank him as a top 3 HW ever.

Same time, if you time travelled him forward in time he’d get battered by the guys of the 70s, 90s and today, almost certainly.

Well if I took 1 tank to the Roman empire I would be King too sir lol.

 

[jeff7b9]

Basically agree, yeah.

Tyson was very good, no doubt, but at the same time he developed something of a cult of personality as well.

Wilder is a difficult one to judge. Great punch, obviously, but who’re his best wins? Ruiz?

Any time people are dealing in extremes they are going to miss the mark.

Tyson and Wilder were both very good boxing champs. Not quite great in an all time status but 9 title defenses is nothing to sneeze at.

Tyson beat 5 of the champs that held the belt before him, Holmes, Plinkton Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Trevor Berbick and Michael Spinks.

Holmes, Berbick and Spink he fucking annihilated.

For any other boxer that alone would cement then as a great but Tyson gets graded on an impossible curve.

Tyson was a victim of his own success in that he gets called a champ of a weak era because the guys he beat never held the title because Mike had them all. In the 90s those belts got passed around like a hot potato so everyone was racking up these "big wins" over champs. Mike was beating the same 1-10 ranked guys of his era.

Mike will always be a "what could have been" if he stayed out of trouble, didn't go to jail, trained harder, etc. But he was still a damn good boxer in his day and even unified 2 of the major belts in his post prison run while well past his best.


Wilder... people like to try to sound cool talking shit about his boxing but he went 42 fights without defeat including 9 title defenses. KOed every man he faced that wasn't 6'9 monster freak Fury.

Fury draw was his best result imo. Some Wilder criticism is fair, a lot of it is bs imo.
He is one of the best KO artists ever and that takes more than power, like for example the defense to not get dropped in all those fights.

 

[jitzmonkey]

Tyson is a perfect example of some of these pro-fighters needing a mentor to control/guide them.

Mike had Cus D'Amato.
Mike really went off the rails when Cus died.

JBJ's family needs to step in (maybe he's gotten it out of his system) and help keep him in line.

I mean it in a supportive family way; no shade.

 

[Stagliano]

Marciano was like 185, no?

Wilder normally comes in at 215, no?

Lots of HW boxing champs weren’t exactly giants.

And LOL at gaining 50 pounds. Half at that at most.

Lol at bringing Marciano's name. He wasn't undersized at all for his era.

 

[LEWIS540]

Well if I took 1 tank to the Roman empire I would be King too sir lol.

Yes, that’s the point.

If I can see further, it’s because I stand on the shoulder of giants.

 

[jeff7b9]

Can only really judge people by how they did in their own eras.

 

[StonedLemur]

Yes, that’s the point.

If I can see further, it’s because I stand on the shoulder of giants.

That's why I said Joe Louis is the best HW ever...because in his era nobody was even close.
He even went to the military for a few years.

 

[LEWIS540]

Lol at bringing Marciano's name. He wasn't undersized at all for his era.

LOL

He was small HW by any eras standards. More that he peaked in a time when HW boxing was as weak as it has ever been, and the only names on his record were also small, old or both.

 

[LEWIS540]

That's why I said Joe Lewis is the best HW ever...because in his era nobody was even close.
He even went to the military for a few years.

Louis

Definitely a legitimate contender.

 

[kenetics]

The only legitimate top guys he lost to were Evander and Lennox and he faced them after his jail time and his prime. Are we going to discount all his 37 consecutive wins before that?

You do know boxing pads records early on right? The best eventually reach the top and have to face each other. Evander was a cruiserweight before moving up. I do think that prison time he spent definitely hurt him.

The fact still remains he lost to the named HW. Lennox did get the better of Tyson when they were teens also. I don't think Tyson would've beat Lennox without the prison time.

 

[StonedLemur]

Louis

Definitely a legitimate contender.

Yeah I spelled it wrong but I haven't slept yet so forgive me sir lol.

 

[Cooliox]

Mike Tyson, at 12, beatdown and robbed grown men. UFC Champ after one kids wrestling class...

Do you remember when EVERY man on this planet feared Mike Tyson?


I remember.

I think the closest thing we had to that in the UFC was Chuck Liddell... in MMA overall? Fedor

 

[LEWIS540]

Yeah I spelled it wrong but I haven't slept yet so forgive me sir lol.

Louis vs Lewis might well be the ultimate HW dream fight, imo, all respect to Ali.

 

[LEWIS540]

Do you remember when EVERY man on this planet feared Mike Tyson?


I remember.

I think the closest thing we had to that in the UFC was Chuck Liddell... in MMA overall? Fedor

Don’t think Liddell ever had that aura, tbh. Remember posting here back in the day, and a lot of people always thought he was overrated.

 

[StonedLemur]

Louis vs Lewis might well be the ultimate HW dream fight, imo, all respect to Ali.

That would've been crazy.
Ali is fantastic but he's known more for what he said than his boxing in most circles.

Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier would be one a dream fight for me.

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Hagler is another.

 

[LEWIS540]

That would've been crazy.
Ali is fantastic but he's known more for what he said than his boxing in most circles.

Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier would be one a dream fight for me.

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Hagler is another.

I know what you’re saying, but that is a massive disservice to Ali.

He’s obviously massively overrated by casuals, as you infer, who have him as the clear, undisputed GOAT of all weight classes ever, but at the same time he’s still in the conversation for GOAT HW.