Law Don't let your kids chemically transition

[jx820]

Sounds a bit like a propped up story to defend the new legislation

That probably depends what you mean by "propped up". It's almost certainly a true story. If there's an objection to be had around how that should effect policy it would be that it's annecdotal. It's a deeply sad story that this person got a treatment that sterilized them but it's not a statistically significant sample.

So opposition can make the case that this even happening once is too often, but they haven't made the case based on that single testimonial that this is a greater threat to public health than any of the numerous opt-in treatments for minors that have undesirable outcomes or side effects (e.g. anti depressants and their link to suicides or the 0.2% of circumcisions that are botched).

 

[Fugazy]

Claiming that puberty blockers are completely reversible is a disgusting and dangerous lie.

I shudder to think of all the mutilated children this zeitgeist has produced.

That anyone would even bother to say or post such rubbish really brings you into the realization of just how demented these leftists are.

 

[mjfan23]

She’s not even an adult. Let’s not listen to her/him/it

 

[Greta Thunberg]

TLDR but sorry Fingerkaren, I usually don't take parenting advice from folks who either aren't parents themselves
already or never plan on being parents in the future.

But I will say if you somehow end up responsible for raising children, ensure you keep your mentally ill, cross-dresser
friends as far away from them as possible. Closely monitor them on YouTube, Netflix and other streaming sights. Take
the time to sit down each night and have dinner with them. And never sign them up for the local Liberal indoctrination
program referred to as public education. Maybe even home-school them if you have to. Wait, on second thought, find
a good private school.

There now, a bit of sound advice from an actual successful parent of two mindful boys. Not an arbitrary tangent that
some random attention whore went on because they read an article about a mentally ill teenage cross-dresser that
most likely had parents herself/himself/themself/zerself that I wouldn't solicit advice from either.

Why wasn't this trash thread hidden in the mentally ill cross-dresser mega thread like the others?

 

[Greta Thunberg]

You do realise that the bill termed "don't say gay" by the left doesn't say the word gay, even once? ...or LGBT, or trans or anything like that right?

It says don't talk about sex, sexual identity, straight, gay, bi or any such bullshit at all to little children. It only blocks the discussion of sex in any way at all to children under 9... and for me, even that is too young. The state should stay the hell out of such subjects until sex education at 10-11 in my opinion... certainly not 4 and 5 year olds.

I live on the other side of the world so don't have a dog in the fight either way but did anyone actually read the bill before jumping to conclusions? America is fucking weird.

She's not an American.

 

[Fugazy]

That probably depends what you mean by "propped up". It's almost certainly a true story. If there's an objection to be had around how that should effect policy it would be that it's annecdotal. It's a deeply sad story that this person got a treatment that sterilized them but it's not a statistically significant sample.

So opposition can make the case that this even happening once is too often, but they haven't made the case based on that single testimonial that this is a greater threat to public health than any of the numerous opt-in treatments for minors that have undesirable outcomes or side effects (e.g. anti depressants and their link to suicides or the 0.2% of circumcisions that are botched).

If someone were intending to argue against hormone therapies and puberty blockers for kids you’d think they’d argue against hormone therapies and puberty blockers for kids and not tail off into arguments against anti depressants or circumcisions.

Because, why the fuck would they? Those are different matters.

And fuck “public health”, this is about protecting individuals. If you had kids, you’d get it.

 

[jx820]

If someone were intending to argue against hormone therapies and puberty blockers for kids you’d think they’d argue against hormone therapies and puberty blockers for kids and not tail off into arguments against anti depressants or circumcisions.

Because, why the fuck would they? Those are different matters.

And fuck “public health”, this is about protecting individuals. If you had kids, you’d get it.

I guess what you're missing is that a sane and reasonable person would be discussing treatments that may have potential unwanted reprecussions out of a sense of concern for children. That concern would cause a broader view of how treatments or surgeries that are not necessarily medically necessary are implemented with minors.

If you were trying to score political points by railing against a minority group and using ONLY those treatments that effect that tiny number of patients as a cover for your REAL motives... then you'd focus on that. Because I think we both know that no one is looking at the potential reprecussions of ALL hormone therapies for children it's very much laser focused on culture war issues... not kids.

If you had kids, you'd get it.

 

[Bald1]

Secular ideologies that demand blind faith based on shaky or unproven politically tainted science, constant affirmation, that have their heresies, eternal antagonists, weaponized victim narratives, that conducts purity tests and brooks no dissenting opinion are religions too.

Bingo! The "left" has a nasty habit of adopting the worst aspects of ideologies and behaviours they claim to oppose. Quite illiberal.

 

[Fugazy]

I guess what you're missing is that a sane and reasonable person would be discussing treatments that may have potential unwanted reprecussions out of a sense of concern for children. That concern would cause a broader view of how treatments or surgeries that are not necessarily medically necessary are implemented with minors.

If you were trying to score political points by railing against a minority group and using ONLY those treatments that effect that tiny number of patients as a cover for your REAL motives... then you'd focus on that. Because I think we both know that no one is looking at the potential reprecussions of ALL hormone therapies for children it's very much laser focused on culture war issues... not kids.

If you had kids, you'd get it.

If my kids were struggling with gender identity I’d give no fucks about “greater good” concepts. I’d care about what’s best for my kid. Tiny numbers don’t matter when your kid is part of that number.

You seem to be one of those jackasses who sees kids as a prop and a means to an end for politics.

Your argument is the definition of a straw man.

You are wondering why the people concerned about this specific matter that THIS thread is about don’t also care about the other issues you think they should care about. Which you don’t even know, you are just assuming they don’t care.

Do better man.

 

[IamStryker]

Girl, 17, who transitioned back from a boy reveals how puberty blockers and surgery have 'irreversibly and painfully' ruined her body as she backs Florida law blocking medical interventions

• Chloe Cole told how taking puberty blockers and having surgery damaged her
• She said it left her unlikely to be able to have children and unable to breastfeed
• She also told how she could be at risk of certain types of cancer due to treatment
• Chloe told of her trauma in heartbreaking testimony during a hearing in Florida
• Officials had discussed reimbursements made to those after hormone therapy

Fucking hell. This is terrible. Florida is ridiculous with the don't say gay rule but don't give children life changing decisions, please.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sition-kids-message-former-trans-girl-17.html

There is no don't say gay rule. Stop spreading misinformation.

Children shouldn't make life changing decisions? Well no shit. Only leftists have trouble with this common sense.

 

[IamStryker]

Sounds a bit like a propped up story to defend the new legislation

All of these stories should be propped up. Every single one.

 

[IamStryker]

She’s not even an adult. Let’s not listen to her/him/it

How do you all come up with such brain dead spins?

 

[salamander]

Bingo! The "left" has a nasty habit of adopting the worst aspects of ideologies and behaviours they claim to oppose. Quite illiberal.

That's been made clear to me here on more than one occasion.

 

[IamStryker]

I guess what you're missing is that a sane and reasonable person would be discussing treatments that may have potential unwanted reprecussions out of a sense of concern for children. That concern would cause a broader view of how treatments or surgeries that are not necessarily medically necessary are implemented with minors.

If you were trying to score political points by railing against a minority group and using ONLY those treatments that effect that tiny number of patients as a cover for your REAL motives... then you'd focus on that. Because I think we both know that no one is looking at the potential reprecussions of ALL hormone therapies for children it's very much laser focused on culture war issues... not kids.

If you had kids, you'd get it.

This issue IS focused on kids. Hormone therapies that are necessary because of a legitimate medical issue are not relevant. This is about children making the decision that they want to transition and adults stupidly saying OK LETS DO THAT. There is no medical necessity for it. The left is brain washing everyone to affirm these children because if you dont you are transphobic and harming them. So children who don't know shit about life or what they really want make the decision to take these drugs and have these surgeries. They realize it wasn't needed and are stuck with what they did to themselves.

 

[jx820]

If my kids were struggling with gender identity I’d give no fucks about “greater good” concepts. I’d care about what’s best for my kid. Tiny numbers don’t matter when your kid is part of that number.

You seem to be one of those jackasses who sees kids as a prop and a means to an end for politics.

Your argument is the definition of a straw man.

You are wondering why the people concerned about this specific matter that THIS thread is about don’t also care about the other issues you think they should care about. Which you don’t even know, you are just assuming they don’t care.

Do better man.

Lets be clear. I'm not really wondering.

You and I both know why there are 1,000 threads a week on here about an issue that effects half of a percent of the population and in this case a thread about a treatment that only effects the fraction of the half a percent that are still minors, and then the fraction of that fraction of a fraction that is pursuing said treatment.

There are 10 pages of responses to this issue not because it's so personal to everyone. Not because you have kids. It's because it's a culture war issue.

Honesly I don't care what issues you do or don't care about. It's the hypocracy that kills me. The disingenous "won't someone think of the children" but only about this, always this, incessantly and obsessively about this. I'm not telling you what you have to care about I'm saying your "caring" is a thinly veiled political wedge issue and not born of a genuine concern.

I hope that clarifies things.

 

[The_Renaissance]

That's been made clear to me here on more than one occasion.

Thing is, the Left adopts these authoritarian beliefs because they belive its for the greater good. They fail to recognise that the Right adopts certain views because they think its for the greater good.as misguided as those views are, the people believing them genuinely think its for the best - they are wrong. As are the Left with some of their most bonkers views.

 

[Fugazy]

Lets be clear. I'm not really wondering.

You and I both know why there are 1,000 threads a week on here about an issue that effects half of a percent of the population and in this case a thread about a treatment that only effects the fraction of the half a percent that are still minors, and then the fraction of that fraction of a fraction that is pursuing said treatment.

There are 10 pages of responses to this issue not because it's so personal to everyone. Not because you have kids. It's because it's a culture war issue.

Honesly I don't care what issues you do or don't care about. It's the hypocracy that kills me. The disingenous "won't someone think of the children" but only about this, always this, incessantly and obsessively about this. I'm not telling you what you have to care about I'm saying your "caring" is a thinly veiled political wedge issue and not born of a genuine concern.

I hope that clarifies things.

I think you greatly underestimate the empathy that people who have kids have for other kids.

And you just outed yourself as actually not caring lmao.

 

[Contempt]

She's not an American.

No shit but she's been over there for a long time now.

I was commenting on the political tribalism bullshit over there not on Cuffs.

 

[Bald1]

Thing is, the Left adopts these authoritarian beliefs because they belive its for the greater good. They fail to recognise that the Right adopts certain views because they think its for the greater good.as misguided as those views are, the people believing them genuinely think its for the best - they are wrong. As are the Left with some of their most bonkers views.

It's as if many people are short sighted, aren't self aware and never spent a second in introspection.

 

[jx820]

This issue IS focused on kids. Hormone therapies that are necessary because of a legitimate medical issue are not relevant. This is about children making the decision that they want to transition and adults stupidly saying OK LETS DO THAT. There is no medical necessity for it. The left is brain washing everyone to affirm these children because if you dont you are transphobic and harming them. So children who don't know shit about life or what they really want make the decision to take these drugs and have these surgeries. They realize it wasn't needed and are stuck with what they did to themselves.

Most of the treatments kids recieve are not necessary. We give short kids growth hormone. It's pretty common, it's literally treating body image issue with hormones. I don't think I've ever heard a discussion about the risks it could pose. We give hormone therapy to many/most teenage girls to treat cramps or regulate their cycle. That comes with 2 different cancer risks and a risk of blood clots or loss of vision. We have hard data on this. I don't see multiple threads a week on here about that risk.

And they don't just let kids decide to transition. You can't buy a transition kit over the counter at your local piggly wiggly. A minor can't just ask their pediatrician and the Doctor says YOLO. A parent or guardian, a shrink, a medical doctor, and in some cases a surgeon all have to agree to this.

All of this is ultimately beside the point. I'm not making the case for this treatment. I'm saying people are lying about the root of their concern, it's all the thinly veiled culture war issue and all the outrage is conjured from a very dishonest place.