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Donald Trump's 10 Point Immigration Plan

Lol. It's a "Well I feel like if this happened this would happen" argument.

I give a source showing Obama prosecuting employers at a record rate and you say well "he didn't want illegals gone"

Get out you clown
Yea he was really going after them and then the economy went down, So why did he stop, we still have 10s of millions here??

Could it have anything to do with wanting to give them citizenship and future votes??


No way couldn't be that, its justy that some went back when the economy was bad, LOL

GTFO with that dumbshit
 
Yea he was really going after them and then the economy went down, So why did he stop, we still have 10s of millions here??

Could it have anything to do with wanting to give them citizenship and future votes??


No way couldn't be that, its justy that some went back when the economy was bad, LOL

GTFO with that dumbshit

I gave you facts, numbers and history. You have hypothetical questions bordering on conspiracy theories.

You lost. I'm moving on until you provide anything of substance, which won't happen. I'm not going to argue with an ignorant person that the moon isn't made out of cheese
 
I gave you facts, numbers and history. You have hypothetical questions bordering on conspiracy theories.

You lost. I'm moving on until you provide anything of substance, which won't happen. I'm not going to argue with an ignorant person that the moon isn't made out of cheese
s this an exampe of him going after BIG companies

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/us/politics/30raid.html?_r=0

TUCSON — Obama administration officials are sharpening their crackdown on the hiring of illegal immigrants by focusing increasingly tough criminal charges on employers while moving away from criminal arrests of the workers themselves.
After months of criticism from Republicans who said President Obama was relaxing immigration enforcement in workplaces, the scope of the administration’s strategy has become clear as long-running investigations of employers have culminated in indictments, convictions, exponentially increased fines and jail sentences. While conducting fewer headline-making factory raids, the immigration authorities have greatly expanded the number of businesses facing scrutiny and the cases where employers face severe sanctions.
In a break with Bush-era policies, the number of criminal cases against unauthorized immigrant workers has dropped sharply over the last two years.
Among the employers who have felt the impact of the administration’s tactics are two owners of Mexican restaurants in the Chuy’s Mesquite Broiler chain, which are popular for their laid-back Margaritaville mood and their broiled mahi tacos. On April 20, immigration agents descended on 14 Chuy’s restaurants in coordinated raids in Arizona and California, detaining kitchen workers and carrying away boxes of payroll books and other evidence.
But at the arraignment days later in federal court here, no immigrant workers stood before the judge. The only criminal defendants were the owners, Mark Evenson and his son Christopher, and an accountant who worked with them, Diane Ingrid Strehlow. If the Evensons are convicted on all charges against them of tax fraud and harboring illegal workers, they each could face more than 80 years in jail.
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Of 42 illegal immigrants caught in the Chuy’s sweep, only one was charged with a crime, and it was not related to the raid. Thirteen workers were processed for immigration violations — which are civil offenses — and detained or deported. The others remained in this country as witnesses or to seek legal status through the immigration courts.
Under President George W. Bush, immigration agents frequently conducted high-profile factory raids, leading away scores of unauthorized workers in handcuffs, often to face jail time for document fraud or identity theft before being deported. After a raid in Postville, Iowa, in 2008, nearly 300 immigrant workers went to federal prison.
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The Chuy’s prosecution contrasted with the application by state and county authorities of a law that Arizona adopted in 2007 to punish employers who hire illegal immigrants; the measure was upheld by the Supreme Court on Thursday. Despite the political furor over that law, only a handful of cases have been brought against employers under its terms, which provide mainly for civil penalties. But state authorities have continued to bring criminal cases against illegal immigrant workers, leading to their deportations.
The Obama administration’s record on workplace enforcement has been fiercely debated in Washington since President Obama announced that he would try, against steep odds, to pass an immigration overhaul this year. Administration officials say that their audits and investigations of employers have laid the groundwork for a system that would dissuade companies from hiring illegal immigrants.
“We have steadily increased our efforts to investigate and prosecute employers who violate the law on a serious and grand scale,” said John Morton, the director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. The next step, administration officials said, is to open a pathway that would allow millions of illegal immigrants in the country to live and work here legally.
Republicans, pointing to the decline in arrests of unauthorized workers, say the administration is failing to remove those immigrants from the work force just when Americans are grappling with high rates of unemployment.
“While President Bush’s so-called get-tough strategy clearly did not do enough to remove illegal workers, President Obama’s strategy is much worse,” said Representative Elton Gallegly, Republican of California, who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee.
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The Chuy's owners are accused of tax fraud and harboring illegal workers like Javier Díaz Ojeda, left, and his brother Alejandro.Credit Joshua Lott for The New York Times
Secretary Janet Napolitano of the Homeland Security Department halted the flashier raids in 2009. Until this year, ICE’s leading tactic was “silent raids,” audits of companies’ hiring documents. If immigration inspectors found irregularities suggesting that immigrant workers’ identity documents might be false, managers had to dismiss the workers or risk prosecution.
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Last year, according to government figures, the enforcement agency started 2,746 workplace investigations in addition to the audits, more than double the number in 2008, the last full year of the Bush administration. Fines totaling about $43 million, also a record, were levied on companies in immigration cases.



Now he di try and do some things but of course the actual immihgrants themselves, the arrest are down. Again, gee I wonder why.



Also small fines has nothing to do with what people have said about fining people 1 million pr illegal.
 
This thread is a train wreck. This place is turning into the Heavies.
 
wow, wonder when liberals are finally going to give credit where it's due:

"Strengthen E-Verify, block illegal jobs"

that's code for ending employment for illegal jobs.

Evil corporations using illegals for profit, time to change the narrative, "Who's gonna pick our berries?"

No jobs, no immigration issues AMIRITE liberals?


I thought that was the only point he has that wasnt stupid. It is the classic liberal talking point that employers who hire illegals should be gone after,, not the illegals themselves.
 
Fan of all of it except for the wall.

Why? Are you afraid that it will interrupt wildlife? We spend trillions on pointless wars, why can't we spend a mere 15 billion on a front door to our proverbial house? Do you not have a door on your house? You just let anyone walk in unannounced?
 
What is so hard to.comprehend.

Every illegal in jail for rape to murder , to dwi and car accidents would have been prevented with a wall.

A physical wall and a strong presence and laws.

It's not fair for citizens to have gangs in their communities, have jobs taken or even be killed in a car accident by someone not supposed to be in the country.
 
The wall will work fine as long as Mexicans never learn how to operate ladders and shovels.
 
This thread is a train wreck. This place is turning into the Heavies.
Bloody hell ....you're right , too nany of these guys just want to throw shit back and forth .

Actually now that i think of it the heavies might be step up at this point.
 
Not really. There is just 3 really worthless posters that will wreck any thread if you engage them.

Ignore them and you're fine.
Well then please name names kind sir.

I'm still cracking up over "poo poo" in the OP. Yeah that's where I'm at.

He he he...he said Mexico will pay for it...he he he.
 
The last 24 hours I've heard many do nothing but poo poo his immigration plan as being too mean and hateful, too racist, too white nationalist, too kkk-ish, too nazi...basically too everything that is unholy in the universe. But what I haven't heard is much substantive argument against it.

What do you guys think of this plan, substantively, and could it work? What are the pros and cons? How does it compare to our current immigration policy and culture?

Trump's 10 Point Immigration Plan

1. Build the wall


Trump has continued to stress that Mexico would pay for the wall, despite Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto’s tweet on Wednesday insisting that he personally told Trump his nation would do no such thing. Going off script in Phoenix, Trump complimented Peña Nieto and then said, “They don’t know it yet, but they’re going to pay for the wall.”

2. End “catch and release”

Trump says any immigrant in the country illegally who is arrested by law enforcement would be detained until they are deported.

3. Create a deportation task force and focus on criminals in the country illegally.

Trump says he would launch a “deportation task force” that would focus on removing undocumented residents with criminal records, along with those who have overstayed their visas or are using public resources or benefits.

4. Defund “sanctuary cities”

Trump says he would use the federal government to discourage cities from enacting policies that protect or aid undocumented residents. Such places are referred to by conservatives as “sanctuary cities.”

5. Cancel President Obama’s executive actions

The GOP nominee would end the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals immigration policy, better known as DACA, under which roughly half a million young people brought to the U.S. as children have received temporary legal status. Trump would also cancel President Obama’s DAPA program, or Deferred Action for Parents of Americans, which would give similar status to undocumented parents of American citizens. That program has been frozen as it faces court challenges.

6. Extreme vetting. Block immigration from some nations

Trump would block immigration from countries for which proper vetting is not possible. He says that would include Syria and Libya currently.

7. Force other countries to take back those whom the U.S. wants to deport

Trump did not specify how this might work but insisted he would force other nations to take back criminals and other undocumented residents the U.S. wants to deport.

8. Get biometric visa tracking system fully in place

Such a system would include biometric records, such as fingerprints or retinal scans, that could identify individuals with more precision as they enter the country.

9. Strengthen E-Verify, block jobs for the undocumented

The nominee did not offer specifics but said he would strengthen the E-Verify system so that undocumented residents would find it difficult or impossible to get work.

10. Limit legal immigration, lower it to “historic norms” and set new caps

In the past, Trump has indicated that some legal immigration should be curtailed (in August 2015 he proposed a temporary freeze on all green cards). But his Phoenix speech expanded on that idea. The Republican nominee is now calling for a commission to roll back the amount of legal immigration to “historic norms,” a phrase that implies a level that is lower than the current historic high (immigrants relative to total U.S. population). Trump said he would expect new immigration caps to be put in place.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/donald-trumps-10-point-immigration-plan/


It's the same vague bullshit he's been talking about the whole campaign. I hope he's purging his own payrolls right now to avoid the embarrassment when he realizes he's got a bunch of illegals working for him.
 
Why? Are you afraid that it will interrupt wildlife? We spend trillions on pointless wars, why can't we spend a mere 15 billion on a front door to our proverbial house? Do you not have a door on your house? You just let anyone walk in unannounced?
You're annoying and not funny.
 
On what basis do you claim that Mexican illegal immigrants are a net benefit?



What about if it is 11-30 million of them many of which commit crimes and/or need public services and the American social safety net to survive and get ahead?



This was a not a substantive argument against Trump immigration plan. No, no, no lol. This response was nothing more than an emotional appeal for amnesty.

Do you actually think Americans will do what mexicans due in the work force? If so, you're lying to yourself lol.
 
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