Economy Donald trump to impose Tariffs feb.1st.

[SurferH2O]

how many times has he negotiated himself into bankruptcy? i guess now he wants to treat america like it was one of his businesses.

You sound upset that we are getting a better deal with Mexico. Why would that be?

 

[filthybliss]

You always come at me from a trolling angle so I admit I'm reluctant to engage in a serious argument with you, but in good faith I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you're seriously asking me, I'll give you my answer. I was born behind the Iron curtain under a totalitarian dictator, and no not a wanna be one like some out there today, but a real bonafide dictator who ruled with an iron fist for nearly 40 years, and who punished dissent by sending you to a prison island or simply liquidating you permanently. My grandparents and parents knew this reality much better than me as I was just a child and for me life didn't seem all that strange, but I heard enough horror stories from people who lived it to now as an adult understand all too well what happens when people agree to go along with one little lie for the sake of not rattling the hornets nets... and then another... and then another... all the way to the point where the lies became your reality and questioning them meant your life.

I don't care if its just Steve wanting to be Sally, or if it's Barbara wanting to be Bobby... I don't care how harmless and well meaning it may seem on the surface.... as Ayn Rand famously said, "I'm not brave enough to be a coward". I think the cost of being silent when you should speak up, and the cost of lying when you should tell the truth is simply too great in the long run.

And where do you get that I'm "obsessed"with Christianity?

This puts things in better perspective but I think you are being histronic. The country won't slip into authoritarianism over calling people what they want to be called. By your logic, we should cancel religion and religious institutions because of the Crusades.

 

[syct23]

All American alcohol being pulled from the shelves in many provinces more will follow suite.

How is that a bad thing, our alcohol sucks..

if Canada really wants to stick it to em, pull a kid rock and get rid of the excess that way..

 

[therealdope]

What has that got to do with what I said?

Because our lack of diversification goes back further than the 2017 USMCA. We have a long list of dumb deals and decisions that put us in this situation.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He's kinda right though.

These tariffs are ridiculous, the epitome of hubris and ignorance imo. And it's Trumps narcissism that's driving things. But the Dems are so fucking disconnected, they can't communicate why this is such a big deal on a broad scale--in layman's terms. They're stuck between this pandering to the every man schtick ("they're gonna jack up the price of your beer!") and sounding like pompous elites talking down on people.

Like...this really shouldn't be tough to sell to the American people as to why it's a massive overreach and bad for the economy. Trump's ego has given them a softball, and they're still (so far anyway) whiffing.

You're blaming the Dems for this? Trump ran on imposing tariffs and citing the negative of tariffs was a core attack against him, if you're surprised by this then idk what to tell you.

 

[filthybliss]

You can’t make this shit up

 

[Islam Imamate]

Firstly, even if you believe that we aren’t getting anything out of these partnerships, tariffs are a really bad and stupid way to try and achieve that.

But more importantly, this belief is wrong. We get a very good return on our foreign aid: in the past decade, about 2/3 of our growth in exports was to USAID partners. This strong growth in exports was critical to getting us out of the last recession. As countries grow in wealth, they buy more of our stuff. As their countries become more secure, we have more diversified areas for factories or ports for shipping, thus bolstering our supply chains.

https://2017-2020.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/documents/1870/FINAL_Version_of_Shared_Interest_6_2018.PDF

Regarding military security for things like NATO, I think Poland said it quite well when they pointed out that NATO only invoked Article 5 one time ever, and it was on our behalf, the day after 9/11. Countries like Poland sent troops to Afghanistan, and those troops remained for two decades. Other countries did similar things for us. This idea Trump always pushes, that we get nothing on return or get ripped off is flat out false.



Talking point? The trade war with China ended when China promised to buy more of our stuff—except they never did. It’s a fact that Trump’s trade war was a failure.

They cost us billions, and killed our farm exports to the point where we had to take those billions it cost us and use it to bail farmers out.


Pretty much all he’s done is break the law, violate the Constitution, and hurt the most vulnerable. I know all 3 of those things give right wingers a hard on, and you guys really should seek some sort of professional help or therapy for that.
His policies hurt the middle class and America as a whole, but you don’t care as long as he’s also cruel to already marginalized groups.

Get a grip. His policies are terrible for working Americans, and make no sense considering he was supposedly elected to “fix” the economy (that didn’t need fixing to begin with).

Trumpers like GSM are too stupid and cynical to understand how cooperation and alliances benefit us.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

How is that a bad thing, our alcohol sucks..

a massive loss in sales I thought that would be painfully obvious.

 

[Andy Capp]

Excuse my interjection: When the Federal Liberals blocked the Energy East pipeline with increased regulation, was this a good move?

LOL would you like a match for that strawman? Do you even understand that I'm partially arguing that the Canadian government fucked up by not taking strong action to help business diversify out trade relationships*? What does a single government decision about a single project have to do with that?

Get back to me when there's something between your ears besides air.


*Disclaimer: in fairness to the current government, I haven't researched the issue to know whether the government tried to facilitate such a move and Canadian businesses rejected them out of complacency, or if it was the Canadian government who was complacent (or received promises from the incoming Biden administration). Regardless, it was a failure to realize that what happened then could happen again at any time, and when the Canadian economy has already been weakened by so many other factors of late. People were complaining of structural weakness in the economy 15 years ago so it hasn't got much to do with what party is in power per se; rather I'd say there's has been a general sense across the nation of over-confidence the 800 pound gorilla next to is never going to just roll over and crush us because reasons.

So again, I never said there weren't other occasions in the past that should have prompted a re-think of our relationships; only that the arbitrary nature of Trump's tariffs the first time around should have been an especially sharp smack on the collective face of Canadians. Judging by the reaction this time around though, I'd say a lot of people have woken up now.

Good talk.

 

[vision1]

he paused the tariffs on mexico for cooperating why would Canada be any different ?

Canada has the biggest undefended border in the world. Some legal crossings don't even have inspection zones. People have been sounding the alarm about how weak the border is before Trump came around. With how powerful drug gangs have become in Canada we have to do more, it's not just drugs moving across that are having such a devastating impact but human trafficking as well. We have an epidemic of missing women in Canada we need to stop this regardless of Trump.

Drug gangs in Canada are relatively not powerful at all.
And the amount of fentanyl smuggled into the US from Canada is less than 1% of that coming in from Mexico.
A sweeping 25% tariff is not justified for that reason. It is not the reason.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This puts things in better perspective but I think you are being histronic. The country won't slip into authoritarianism over calling people what they want to be called. By your logic, we should cancel religion and religious institutions because of the Crusades.

If anything supporting Trump is what is pushing this country towards authoritarianism. Somehow these goofs think that pronouns are a bigger threat to freedom than a rogue president who ignores the Constitution.

 

[SurferH2O]

How is that a bad thing, our alcohol sucks..

if Canada really wants to stick it to em, pull a kid rock and get rid of the excess that way..

I'm not going to lie... I like Canadian Whiskey, but to say our alcohol sucks? We have some amazing bourbons and whiskeys.

Perhaps you're not a whiskey drinker?

 

[deviake]

Yikes

I'm only repeating what he promised to do for months. Good on him for being a man of his word, I look forward to our countries being united and made great again.

Welcome 51

 

[Andy Capp]

he paused the tariffs on mexico for cooperating why would Canada be any different ?

Because Poilievre hasn't won the election yet. If/when he does, he will make some performative gesture and Trump will drop them. Then both will declare it a great victory for conservatives on both sides of the border. I bet Smith's trip to Mar a Lago was to cut just such a side deal. Mean time, the tariff on her province's oil is only 10% instead of 25 to give them an early taste. Between now and the election Poilievre, Smith, and co. will continue to undermine Canada's position and the Trump troll army will work to help them get elected.

 

[SurferH2O]

If anything supporting Trump is what is pushing this country towards authoritarianism. Somehow these goofs think that pronouns are a bigger threat to freedom than a rogue president who ignores the Constitution.

You do realize Joe Biden ignored the U.S. Constitution and judicial rulings on the student loans repeatedly?

Which part of the Constitution is the Orange Ogre ignoring? If you say the 14th Amendment, then please know that it's an outstanding question and he has simply forced an answer. He will abide by what the SCOTUS determines, unlike China Joe.

 

[syct23]

I'm not going to lie... I like Canadian Whiskey, but to say our alcohol sucks? We have some amazing bourbons and whiskeys.

Perhaps you're not a whiskey drinker?

I do like me a nice glass of Black Label every now and then but can’t really stomach American Whiskey like Jack Daniel’s, to sour for my taste.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Most of the Fentanyl deaths happen in British Columbia more than other provinces.

 

[syct23]

a massive loss in sales I thought that would be painfully obvious.

I thought we were supposed to make up the loss of funds with the tariffs?

 

[vision1]

Because Poilievre hasn't won the election yet. If/when he does, he will make some performative gesture and Trump will drop them. Then both will declare it a great victory for conservatives on both sides of the border. I bet Smith's trip to Mar a Lago was to cut just such a side deal. Mean time, the tariff on her province's oil is only 10% instead of 25 to give them an early taste. Between now and the election Poilievre, Smith, and co. will continue to undermine Canada's position and the Trump troll army will work to help them get elected.

I highly doubt it.
Are you Canadian?
The hate for Trudeau and the Liberal party has plummeted after their response.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm hearing on Thom Hartmann that Trump got the EXACT same deal that Biden did, with the caveat that Trump will stop the flow of guns INTO Mexico.

THAT'S the "Bigly Deal"?!??