Elections DOGE is formed

[Jon!]

Just wait until @Jon! realizes this has been done with published literature such as books in book stores, Oprah, NYT bestseller lists etc for ever.

Same game, different field.

Like Pickleball to Tennis, or tennis to badminton, or badminton to table tennis, or baseball to stickball, or... hmm... stickball to caveman stickrock

That's a stretch, but I understand what you're driving at.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Lmao what the hell is happening

 

[High Test With da Best]

one is trying to help the country work efficiently and the other is trying to reshape the world according to an ideology most people do not support. False equivalency

"Awww, lil' baby NuMale's cranky, he hasn't had his buggy-wuggies yet"

(I agree with your sentiment and am just false ragging on ya)

 

[BFoe]

Thus, the entire point of bringing it up.

Some in this thread are demanding for Elon to find $2 trillion in cuts to the budget through defunding federal departments.... or else he's a complete failure.

That standard isn't given to political figureheads on their own team, like Biden. If it was, those 'compromises' would be also be viewed as failures.

Ah ok. I wouldn’t say then anything under 2 trillion is a failure, I guess it would depend on his attempts and whether or how they were blocked, stuff like that.

 

[High Test With da Best]

No one is arguing that there's no room for improvement. What people are mostly arguing is that if you want to cut government spending, you should probably start with someone who knows the difference between discretionary and mandatory spending. And that someone who doesn't is likely to cut in the wrong places or be ineffectual.

This isn't even a government agency, it's a deceptively named advisory board.

So they will recommend changes that most of the agencies will just ignore because there's nothing compelling them to comply.

It's not even an agency, it's just an advisory board that they've named deceptively on purpose. That much they acknowledged int he press release "outside of government".

Yeah RP I don't understand how some people are misconstruing this advisory duo as being gov employees or a "new department of government" or having the authority to personally cut funds whether discretionary or mandatory.

@avenue94 could you expound a bit on how your high IQ mind came to this/these conclusions? Or are you advocating for the devil by intentionally arguing from a postion of obtusion?

(Pardon my nounification of the word obtuse hopefully that makes sense to you)

 

[koquerelle]

At first I thought this was a joke but it's not. Musk at the helm? Oh boy, what a circus.

could be a tv show

 

[avenue94]

You being a 'tech guy' should appreciate this.

What am I supposed to appreciate here exactly that applies to government spending and budgeting?

Don't know yet.
We'll see how well he does.
You're demanding predictions of success as if he doesn't achieve absolute success, which would be $2 trillion cut from the budget, means he'd be an absolute failure.
Only those with Musk hate-boners have that standard.

I personally find the first step to fixing a problem is soberly diagnosing it, but hey, that's just me.

Doesn't matter if you approved of that appointment or not, it was the standard of qualifications within the Biden administration.

And although I've asked you previously in this thread, you haven't named any specific names for anyone that would judge federal department efficiency better than Elon Musk.

I have said multiple times, use the GOA, the infrastructure and labor force already exists, build on it if needed. No point starting over with novices.

 

[avenue94]

@avenue94 could you expound a bit on how your high IQ mind came to this/these conclusions? Or are you advocating for the devil by intentionally arguing from a postion of obtusion?

He'll have quite a bit of influence on Trump and leadership. Did you think he was funding Trump's campaign out of charity? I'm concerned with bad ideas potentially becoming bad policy. And Musk is full of the former with a white house that's likely to support making the latter.

That clear it up for you?

 

[Xanzito]

The only New government branch being created is the Ministry of Cope.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

As well as the inner city leaches.

Cut off your nose to spite your face?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

What am I supposed to appreciate here exactly that applies to government spending and budgeting?

So to you only those experienced in government spending and budgeting, and have completely failed to convince party officials to lower spending, are qualified to advise in lowering government spending and budgeting.

I personally find the first step to fixing a problem is soberly diagnosing it, but hey, that's just me.

Okay, as a tech bro, in Elon's place, how would you soberly disagnose and fix the problem?

I have said multiple times, use the GOA, the infrastructure and labor force already exists, build on it if needed. No point starting over with novices.

Why should Elon use them?
What has prevented them from soberly diagnosing government waste in the past?
What record of success do the GOA have?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Cut off your nose to spite your face?

All the bums BTFO.

 

[avenue94]

So to you only those experienced in government spending and budgeting, and have completely failed to convince party officials to lower spending, are qualified to advise in lowering government spending and budgeting.

We're going in circles here. I mentioned that being able to distinguish between discretionary and mandatory spending and knowing what each bucket is is table stakes. And Elon couldn't even clear that basic civic knowledge bar.

To illustrate how silly your example is: Musk got a nice price of those GPUs by buying in bulk and outbidding a couple other big customers. Not sure what lesson you hope government can learn from this.

Now the actual assembly of the datacenter. That's cool and impressive, but you get there by paying very well for the expertise in hour and contracted out. So again, not sure what lesson you think applies to government here.

Okay, as a tech bro, in Elon's place, how would you soberly disagnose and fix the problem?

Tech bro, why such deadly insults man lol. Well if I was Elon and my mandate was to reduce government waste, I'd first do basic homework before pulling a ridiculous figure out of my ass to sell to rubes like you. That's shit that would get a consultant laughed out of the room, but nope, you eat it up. Have you never worked with consultants and understood what they offer of value versus what bullshit they often peddle?

Why should Elon use them?
What has prevented them from soberly diagnosing government waste in the past?
What record of success do the GOA have?

They do diagnose waste. The limitations is manpower and the fact that those who whine about waste most of the time have no interest in fixing in it. They would just rather whine because actually fixing waste and governing is tedious and hard. It's not sexy stuff that gets you on fox news, a la most of Trump's favorites. Keep in mind Mr. Holier than thou Ron Paul would use earmarks all the time. Or for a more recent example, notice how the GOP always whines about wanting a balanced budget amendment but never actually proposes a balanced budget.

 

[High Test With da Best]

He'll have quite a bit of influence on Trump and leadership. Did you think he was funding Trump's campaign out of charity? I'm concerned with bad ideas potentially becoming bad policy. And Musk is full of the former with a white house that's likely to support making the latter.

That clear it up for you?

Kinda, you didn't address the mongering of fear in your posts as if he'll be a federal employee, he's heading a new official governmental department, and will have power of the purse himself.

Even a POTUS doesn't have that power

 

[LangfordBarrow]

All the bums BTFO.

More maple syrup for us...

 

[Mr Holmes]

More maple syrup for us...

Leave the Syrups made from high fructose corn syrup for the bums.

 

[avenue94]

Kinda, you didn't address the mongering of fear in your posts as if he'll be a federal employee, he's heading a new official governmental department, and will have power of the purse himself.

Even a POTUS doesn't have that power

I don't think he can literally do it. But the GOP is absolutely spineless at this point in the face of anything Trump. Bad ideas have consequences. Art Laffer, for example, never crafted actual policy, but good fucking god did his terrible ideas damage America because idiots listened.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Great. Start with the bloated military budget.

Also, has anyone actually explained the mechanics of how this is supposed to work? Where do they fall in the system of checks and balances or nation is founded on?

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Trump just officially started DOGE, the department of government efficiency. It is getting run by Musk and Vivek is in it also. The plan is to cut back on goverment wasteful spending as we are trillions in debt.

Not as good as the Floor Action Response Team the Republicans made in the last year or two, now that's an awesome acronym!

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I mentioned that being able to distinguish between discretionary and mandatory spending and knowing what each bucket is is table stakes. And Elon couldn't even clear that basic civic knowledge bar.

And thats where you're losing everybody.
You're crediting Elon as only having a 'Above Average IQ' despite his many accomplishments that rival anyone else in business in modern times, while not crediting him to know the difference between discretionary and mandatory spending.

You're drawing that conclusion based purely upon his off-handed quote that he believes he could find $2 trillion of cuts from the budget.

Tech bro, why such deadly insults man lol. Well if I was Elon and my mandate was to reduce government waste, I'd first do basic homework before pulling a ridiculous figure out of my ass to sell to rubes like you. That's shit that would get a consultant laughed out of the room, but nope, you eat it up. Have you never worked with consultants and understood what they offer of value versus what bullshit they often peddle?

Didn't mean 'tech bro' to be an insult, but apparently you were so offended by it you're using it as an excuse to not answer the questions and roll it back into an insult in my direction.

Could just say 'I have no idea how I would advise what departments to cut to lower government spending' but you don't want to take the L on that because you want to portray yourself to be smarter than Elon Musk.

They do diagnose waste. The limitations is manpower and the fact that those who whine about waste most of the time have no interest in fixing in it. They would just rather whine because actually fixing waste and governing is tedious and hard. It's not sexy stuff that gets you on fox news, a la most of Trump's favorites. Keep in mind Mr. Holier than thou Ron Paul would use earmarks all the time. Or for a more recent example, notice how the GOP always whines about wanting a balanced budget amendment but never actually proposes a balanced budget.

Don't bother playing the 'Republicans have been apart of the problem too' card because that is common knowledge. The difference is modern Republicans, not the uni-party, are the only group with an interest in curving government spending.

So the GOA identifies waste and.... then nothing happens.
Great. There's another department to add to the chopping block.