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[GearSolidMetal]

No one is arguing that there's no room for improvement. What people are mostly arguing is that if you want to cut government spending, you should probably start with someone who knows the difference between discretionary and mandatory spending. And that someone who doesn't is likely to cut in the wrong places or be ineffectual.

Olive Branch time.
We both agree there's room for MAJOR improvement.

But can we agree Elon Musk is a smart guy?
Given he's the richest and one of the most powerful people on the planet I'm going so assume you'll agree he's smart.

Can we agree that Musk didn't singularly make SpaceX and Tesla the multi-multi-billion dollar corporations that are improving the way we live? Space exploration? Global internet access? Zero polution? Pretty sure he's very good at creating teams of people, headed by himself, and he's the lead at first, and aftet a while he steps away and checks in occassionally.

So he's the SpaceX CEO, Tesla CEO, Twitter CEO, and has one of the highest global rankings on Diablo4....

And... now the Trump Administration's Secretary of DOGE?

My point is Elon himself will be doing only a limited amount of work, but he will appoint highly qualified and motivated personel into 'DOGE.'
And maybe, just maybe, he'll bring on some personel that you'd approve of.

 

[avenue94]

But can we agree Elon Musk is a smart guy?

Above average intelligence in specific areas, most of which don't apply to government. I also value humility (ie listening to experts around you) and the ability to learn and build consensus for government positions. Which he seems to lack.

Given he's the richest and one of the most powerful people on the planet I'm going so assume you'll agree he's smart.

This is survivorship bias. There are plenty of people smarter than him who have ended up dirty poor or not wealthy. Net worth isn't particularly indicative of whether someone is intelligent or not when you're comparing to others of similar aptitude.

My point is Elon himself will be doing only a limited amount of work, but he will appoint highly qualified and motivated personel into 'DOGE.'
And maybe, just maybe, he'll bring on some personel that you'd approve of.

The pitiful parade of nominees from the Trump administration so far does not inspire much confidence in his or Musk's ability to pick competent folks to curtail government spending. If a consultant walked into your workplace and spouted off ridiculous bullshit that was factually and 100 percent impossible, would you hire him? Cuz that's what you're arguing for here.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Above average intelligence in specific areas, most of which don't apply to government. I also value humility (ie listening to experts around you) and the ability to learn and build consensus for government positions. Which he seems to lack.

'Above average intelligence?'

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So, save the 'Everyone who disagrees with me on politics is dumber than me' assumption.

Also, given the many intellectual failures of people within the government throughout history, don't bother pretending Musk isn't as smart as people already within the government.

This is survivorship bias. There are plenty of people smarter than him who have ended up dirty poor or not wealthy. Net worth isn't particularly indicative of whether someone is intelligent or not when you're comparing to others of similar aptitude.

Never said smart people are guaranteed to be wealthy.

The pitiful parade of nominees from the Trump administration so far does not inspire much confidence

..."for me"

Um yeah..... be honest here, if you supported Biden Admin appointees like these...



...your credibility is dead on this subject.

 

[avenue94]

'Above average intelligence?'

Are we really pretending that you can estimate a person's IQ based off of vibes? Like...there's literally a specific test(es) for IQ lol. Show me a link to his IQ of 155 on an accepted test.

The only indications of IQ are from you since you apparently lack the ability to critically assess your sources.

So, save the 'Everyone who disagrees with me on politics is dumber than me' assumption.

Also, given the many intellectual failures of people within the government throughout history, don't bother pretending Musk isn't as smart as people already within the government.

I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is dumber than me. But I 100% do think that arguing that Elon Musk has an IQ of 155 despite based off the three people with no professional experience studying intelligence or really science is absolutely boneheaded. Do you also go ask CFA's to diagnose your medical maladies?

Also, given the many intellectual failures of people within the government throughout history, don't bother pretending Musk isn't as smart as people already within the government.

Intelligence is multifacated. Try to keep up. I said he has intelligence in some areas, but clearly lacks it in the realm of governance and civic stuff.

Never said smart people are guaranteed to be wealthy.

You cited his wealth as evidence of his intelligence. This is just horrid logic.

..."for me"

Um yeah..... be honest here, if you supported Biden Admin appointees like these...

In what was Rachel Levine or KJP not qualified for their positions? Buttigieg wasn't my pick for Transport, but at least it ain't an important department.

 

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Wouldn't Elon have to give up his CEO roles in Tesla and Twitter to serve in the cabinet?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

@avenue94

On the subject of smart people in government...

You do know people who are in prominent positions of major campaigns are commonly hired onto major postions of the same politician's administrations, right?



Perhaps the Democrats will be inspired by Elon to look at their own efficiency in political campaigns, especially when looking at Trump's campaign budget was $300 million and only $10 was spent on personelle.

Kinda surprising how leftists aren't more pissed off that one of the major issues that cost Kamala the election was the wasteful spending of her own campaign.

 

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And how is Vivek Ramaswamy not a DEI hire?

 

[avenue94]

On the subject of smart people in government...

You do know people who are in prominent positions of major campaigns are commonly hired onto major postions of the same politician's administrations, right?

Yup. I'm not a big fan of patronage, at least have the dignity to dump these people in unimportant ambassadorships.

Perhaps the Democrats will be inspired by Elon to look at their own efficiency in political campaigns, especially when looking at Trump's campaign budget was $300 million and only $10 was spent on personelle.

Oh there is plenty to improve with the DNC and how its candidates run campaigns. But that's neither here nor there when discussing the government.

Kinda surprising how leftists aren't more pissed off that one of the major issues that cost Kamala the election was the wasteful spending of her own campaign.

That's way the down the list of why she lost. Doesn't make sense to focus their first during a post mortem.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Are we really pretending that you can estimate a person's IQ based off of vibes? Like...there's literally a specific test(es) for IQ lol. Show me a link to his IQ of 155 on an accepted test.

The only indications of IQ are from you since you apparently lack the ability to critically assess your sources.

'Vibes?'
This isn't Kamala's campaign.

Its quite obvious to everyone but you Elon is a very intelligent person.
No one is denying it, but you claiming he's just 'above average intelligence.'

Ok bro, keep telling yourself that.

You cited his wealth as evidence of his intelligence. This is just horrid logic.

Typically self-made multi-billionaires are very intelligent.

Not all people who are very intelligent are very wealthy.

In what was Rachel Levine or KJP not qualified for their positions? Buttigieg wasn't my pick for Transport, but at least it ain't an important department.

A transexual activist in charge of national healthcare policy.
A person who loves trains is the Transportation secretary.

But Elon Musk isn't intellectually qualified to analyze the effeciency of Federal Departments to recommend if they should be defunded.

 

[Seano]

"trying to cut government waste"

What are you willing to bet that they aren't going to cut any waste?

Its a temporary committee with that being its only goal. I don't really get the problem here, how does this make us a circus?

Also, aren't you from Mexico?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yup. I'm not a big fan of patronage, at least have the dignity to dump these people in unimportant ambassadorships.

"Thanks for helping me become the President, here's your paid vacation that lasts four years!"

Totally not a waste of money.

Oh there is plenty to improve with the DNC and how its candidates run campaigns. But that's neither here nor there when discussing the government.

Oh... so efficiency in helping Democrats win elections is good.

But efficiency in government spending is bad.

That's way the down the list of why she lost. Doesn't make sense to focus their first during a post mortem.

'Way down the list?'
She wasted half of her total campaign budget on celebrity endorcements.
Half.
She had a bigger budget than Obama's in '08.
How many more commercials could have been ran attacking Trump as a rapist, a convicted fellon, and banged a pornstar while his wife was home with their newborn son?

Trump was very very beatable, and its very possible the hubris of her own campaign's personel is what cost her the election.

 

[avenue94]

'Vibes?'
This isn't Kamala's campaign.

Its quite obvious to everyone but you Elon is a very intelligent person.
No one is denying it, but you claiming he's just 'above average intelligence.'

Ok bro, keep telling yourself that.

I don't know if you know this...but there are tests to assess IQ. So go ahead and share Elon's IQ test results, otherwise quit blathering on about what some fucking CPA thinks Elon's IQ is.

Above average intelligence isn't an insult, quit being so butthurt. There are literally millions of people with an IQ of 155, it's not particularly hard to run into someone that smart when you work in tech. Given that's my industry, that kind of IQ means whatever to me.

Typically self-made multi-billionaires are very intelligent.

Not all people who are very intelligent are very wealthy.

He's so very intelligent but he can't even muster up basic civic knowledge of critical thinking? Like I said, intelligence in one realm of life is not automatically transferable to another.

A transexual activist in charge of national healthcare policy.
A person who loves trains is the Transportation secretary.

Levine is an MD with post-doctoral research and teaching experience, with almost a decade of experience managing public health agencies. How is that not qualified for deputy surgeon general?

And KJP has more media relations experience than most of Trump's press secretaries. Are you denying that?

 

[avenue94]

"Thanks for helping me become the President, here's your paid vacation that lasts four years!"

Totally not a waste of money.

It ain't my money, you sound like a commie worrying about people donating to a political campaign that lost.

h... so efficiency in helping Democrats win elections is good.

But efficiency in government spending is bad.

Again with the lazy strawman. Efficiency in government is fine if executed correctly. The issue here is that we're supposed to believe Musk is the guy for this even though he can't even distinguish between discretionary and mandatory spending. Why don't you stop ducking and post up receipts. How would you trim $2 trillion from the annual US budget? Come on, don't be shy, give Elon some ideas.

'Way down the list?'
She wasted half of her total campaign budget on celebrity endorcements.
Half.
She had a bigger budget than Obama's in '08.
How many more commercials could have been ran attacking Trump as a rapist, a convicted fellon, and banged a pornstar while his wife was home with their newborn son?

Trump was very very beatable, and its very possible the hubris of her own campaign's personel is what cost her the election.

I'd put it after a failure to communicate economic policy effectively to voters, her flaws as a political figure, and the short campaign. That coupled with voters attributing global inflation to the Biden administration.

Like I said, how money was spent is was down the list in my read of why she failed.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I don't know if you know this...but there are tests to assess IQ. So go ahead and share Elon's IQ test results, otherwise quit blathering on about what some fucking CPA thinks Elon's IQ is.

Above average intelligence isn't an insult, quit being so butthurt. There are literally millions of people with an IQ of 155, it's not particularly hard to run into someone that smart when you work in tech. Given that's my industry, that kind of IQ means whatever to me.

Ok... so 155 IQs don't impress you much.
Wouldn't you agree, as someone who works in tech, that people with high-IQs should also be in government positions?

He's so very intelligent but he can't even muster up basic civic knowledge of critical thinking? Like I said, intelligence in one realm of life is not automatically transferable to another.

Haven't seen any examples of a lack of basic civic knowledge of critical thinking.

Levine is an MD with post-doctoral research and teaching experience, with almost a decade of experience managing public health agencies. How is that not qualified for deputy surgeon general?

By being a trans-activist for sex change surgeries of children.



Anyway, thank you for confirming how accepting you are for the lack of qualifications for Democrat administration appointees, but highly critical for highly accredited, accomplished, and exoerienced appointees for Republican administrstions.

 

[avenue94]

Ok... so 155 IQs don't impress you much.
Wouldn't you agree, as someone who works in tech, that people with high-IQs should also be in government positions?

That's barely 10 points higher than me, and I don't consider myself a genius, hence it's whatever to me.

Intelligence is very valuable but it's most often not the most important qualification for government or even private industry roles. I consider integrity, critical analysis, and the ability to not be a grade A asshole over a little bit of extra intelligence that usually doesn't matter. We aren't writing scientific papers or doing cutting edge research here. Nixon is one of the sharpest presidents we've ever had, same with Bill Clinton. Yet hardly effective leaders to be emulated.

Haven't seen any examples of a lack of basic civic knowledge of critical thinking.

Explain to me how one can say with a straight face their going to cut $2 trillion from the US budget of $6 trillion, when over $4 trillion is mandatory spending or interest.

Anyway, thank you for confirming how accepting you are for the lack of qualifications for Democrat administration appointees, but highly critical for highly accredited, accomplished, and exoerienced appointees for Republican administrstions.

Levine is an MD with post-doctoral research and teaching experience, with almost a decade of experience managing public health agencies. How is that not qualified for deputy surgeon general?

And KJP has more media relations experience than most of Trump's press secretaries. Are you denying that?

Keep ducking, you dunce. I gave you their CVs, and all you got is "buh buh buh trans."

 

[Goatenstein]

Nothing says efficient like a completely worthless new department headed by scammers.

 

[Mujeriego]

The Internet remains undefeated

I've beaten the internets ass on multiple occasions.
Fuck outta here.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It ain't my money, you sound like a commie worrying about people donating to a political campaign that lost.

'It ain't my money.'
Well said for this entire situation.
The federal budget spiking up from $1 trillion to $7 trillion in 40 years?
'It ain't my money.'
The national debt spiking from $5 trillion to $35 trillion in 22 years?.
'It ain't my money.'

Perhaps you should be concerned who is getting rich doing absolutely nothing at all.

Again with the lazy strawman. Efficiency in government is fine if executed correctly. The issue here is that we're supposed to believe Musk is the guy for this even though he can't even distinguish between discretionary and mandatory spending. Why don't you stop ducking and post up receipts. How would you trim $2 trillion from the annual US budget? Come on, don't be shy, give Elon some ideas.

The Democrats counter-opinion would have just alittle more credibility if they weren't in favor of taxing and spending even more money on absolute bullshit like sex-changes for prisoners and illegal illigrants.

Oh and keep pretending all we have to do is cut the military budget in half, then we'll get universal healthcare and universal basic income.

This is why no one takes you leftists seriously on economic matters.

I'd put it after a failure to communicate economic policy effectively to voters, her flaws as a political figure, and the short campaign. That coupled with voters attributing global inflation to the Biden administration.

Like I said, how money was spent is was down the list in my read of why she failed.

Yeah, way down YOUR list.

That doesn't pass the smell test when she lost by narrow margins in 3 to 4 battleground states. $400 million of that $500 million wasted on campaign personelle would have been very powerful to swing the vote in her favor.

Reminds me of the $400 million Zuckerberg gave to 'fortfify the election' in 2020.


Anyway the past is in the past, but there's alot of pissed off donors to the Democrat party who felt deceived into donating millions each to get Kamala elected. After hearing how frustrated they must be from the election results its curious how enthusiastic they will be to donate to the 2028 mominee.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

That's barely 10 points higher than me, and I don't consider myself a genius, hence it's whatever to me.

Intelligence is very valuable but it's most often not the most important qualification for government or even private industry roles. I consider integrity, critical analysis, and the ability to not be a grade A asshole over a little bit of extra intelligence that usually doesn't matter. We aren't writing scientific papers or doing cutting edge research here. Nixon is one of the sharpest presidents we've ever had, same with Bill Clinton. Yet hardly effective leaders to be emulated.

So... after building SpaceX & Tesla frok the ground-up, he's yet to prove himself to be an effective leader?

Explain to me how one can say with a straight face their going to cut $2 trillion from the US budget of $6 trillion, when over $4 trillion is mandatory spending or interest.

Straight face explation -
If you have a goal to best the fastest time to run a mile by 10 seconds... but you fail and only best it by 3 seconds... it makes you a failure, right?

No, it makes you a world record holder.

Keep ducking, you dunce. I gave you their CVs, and all you got is "buh buh buh trans."

I don't give a shit about their CVs.
You don't give a shit about Buttigege's love of trains making him qualified to be Transportation Secretary.

His love of trains is based on trains being run on him.

So by all means, keep going on about how Musk is unqualified.

 

[avenue94]

'It ain't my money.'
Well said for this entire situation.
The federal budget spiking up from $1 trillion to $7 trillion in 40 years?
'It ain't my money.'
The national debt spiking from $5 trillion to $35 trillion in 22 years?.
'It ain't my money.'

Perhaps you should be concerned who is getting rich doing absolutely nothing at all.

Adjusting for inflation, a jump from $3 trillion to $7 trillion in 40 years, most of it which is mandatory spending. Do you not understand what mandatory spending is? Explain to me how you would reduce mandatory spending please.

And why yes, the national debt exploded due to wars and tax cuts. Are you really pretending that Trump didn't explode the national debt?

The Democrats counter-opinion would have just alittle more credibility if they weren't in favor of taxing and spending even more money on absolute bullshit like sex-changes for prisoners and illegal illigrants.

I personally would have highlighted that the GOP killed the child tax credit expansion.

Oh and keep pretending all we have to do is cut the military budget in half, then we'll get universal healthcare and universal basic income.

This is why no one takes you leftists seriously on economic matters.

The fuck are you even prattling on about lol. I'm not a "leftist" on economics, the fuck does that even mean. I don't support a UBI and I'm in favor of a less privatized health care system.

Anyway the past is in the past, but there's alot of pissed off donors to the Democrat party who felt deceived into donating millions each to get Kamala elected. After hearing how frustrated they must be from the election results its curious how enthusiastic they will be to donate to the 2028 mominee.

Donate at your own peril. I'm not particularly concerned about what some rich folks are crying about atm.