Elections DOGE is formed

[UberHere]

I’m liking the results of this election more and more each day.

 

[Beechwood]

Trump is just following Bill Clinton’s bureaucracy-cutting example​

Trump is just following Bill Clinton’s bureaucracy-cutting example

For all the Democrats engaged in a weeping and gnashing of teeth exercise, let’s remember that President Trump is just following Bill Clinton’s bureaucracy-cutting example. Here are some stats from Google AI: In 1990, the U.S. populati...

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For all the Democrats engaged in a weeping and gnashing of teeth exercise, let’s remember that President Trump is just following Bill Clinton’s bureaucracy-cutting example.



Here are some stats from Google AI: In 1990, the U.S. population was 250 million. Today it is estimated to be 335 million. That is up 34%.

In 1990, the federal budget was $1 trillion. Today it is around $7 trillion. That is up 600%. Inflation between 1990 and 2024 totaled 140%, meaning inflation averaged 2.61% over the 34-year period. So the budget went up four times the increase in inflation. I would say it’s pretty clear that out of control spending is the problem.



Total federal revenue in 1990 was $1.03 trillion; in 2024, total federal revenue was $4.92 trillion. That is up 378%, or up 2.7 times the rate of inflation. Revenue is clearly not the problem. It should be noted that capital gains rates were cut in the 1990s, and Bush and Trump both cut federal tax rates, yet revenue still increased 2.7 times the rate of inflation.

The federal debt in 1990 was $3.2 trillion; today it is $36 trillion. That is up over 1,000%.



It is easy to see that federal spending and debt are out-of-control even if you adjust for a 34% population increase.

Here are a few things Bill Clinton did in the 1990s because of what he considered a bloated and inefficient federal bureaucracy:

It’s true that during his presidency, Clinton reduced the federal government’s workforce by more than 377,000 employees as part of an initiative called the National Partnership for Reinventing Government (initially called the National Performance Review, or NPR). However, there's a key difference between how Clinton's NPR cut jobs and what Trump and Musk are trying.

In March 1993, just two months into his presidency, Clinton announced the creation of the National Performance Review, led by his Vice President, Al Gore. Its goal, according to Clinton’s announcement, was ‘to make the entire Federal Government both less expensive and more efficient, and to change the culture of our national bureaucracy away from complacency and entitlement toward initiative and empowerment.’



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n 1994, Clinton signed a bill that offered federal workers buyouts of up to $25,000 in an effort to reduce the workforce by 272,000 employees. According to an April 1995 statement from Clinton, the buyouts were largely offered to management positions in an effort to ‘reduce the layers of bureaucracy and micromanagement that were tying Government in knots.’

He cut the number of federal workers by 377,000, which was more than 10%. He also offered buyouts of $25,000 to try to reduce the workforce by 277,000.

I do not remember lawsuits by Democrats or Republicans to block Clinton from doing this. I also do not remember the media being outraged and seeking to destroy Clinton. They supported him.

I do not believe the reduction in workers harmed the economy, which did very well during the 1990s.

Trump is using DOGE to audit federal spending. It is clearly his right and responsibility to do this. He is trying to save America from cascading towards bankruptcy. It is a shame that every president doesn’t review how the taxpayer money is spent for propriety. The legislative and judicial branches of government should also do these audits. We as taxpayers and citizens are entitled to know how all our money is spent.

The media should support transparency and audits instead of seeking to block Americans from seeing the truth.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

How so? Congress allocates money. Departments use that money. It doesn't matter if you agree with how the money is spent. Where is the fraud? Be specific.

Yes, it does matter.

This is called fraud. And both administration's have been doing it for a while. If a hammer costs $9-20 and you start buying them for 100k, that is fraud.

 

[Crazy Source]

Yes, it does matter.

This is called fraud. And both administration's have been doing it for a while. If a hammer costs $9-20 and you start buying them for 100k, that is fraud.

So, prove the fraud in court. You can't unilaterally cut off funds. There is no transparency here. We all want to prevent and stop fraud.

 

[Rod1]

For all the Democrats engaged in a weeping and gnashing of teeth exercise, let’s remember that President Trump is just following Bill Clinton’s bureaucracy-cutting example.

n 1994, Clinton signed a bill

So it wasn't "Clinton" it was the government of the US through legal channels.
Nobody would bat an eye if Trump was doing this by the book.

Also Trump isn't cutting the budget at all buddy.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

So, prove the fraud in court. You can't unilaterally cut off funds. There is no transparency here. We all want to prevent and stop fraud.

Prove you are correctly allocating the funds in court. Provide proof every penny goes to a useful purpose.

Yes, you can just cut off funds.

 

[Cajun]

Reminds me of this Jon Stewart deal that circulated when he questioned Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks.

 

[avenue94]

Prove you are correctly allocating the funds in court. Provide proof every penny goes to a useful purpose.

Yes, you can just cut off funds.

I'm going to point out that requiring the federal government ot prove every expense is not fraud (how do you even do that) in court is insane. (Good luck getting your disaster relief aid in a timely manner)

It's far more practical to take accusations of fraud to court. I wonder why that hasn't happened yet.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I'm going to point out that requiring the federal government ot prove every expense is not fraud (how do you even do that) in court is insane. (Good luck getting your disaster relief aid in a timely manner)

It's far more practical to take accusations of fraud to court. I wonder why that hasn't happened yet.

You want to drag it through the courts to enable corruption and slow things down.

Just cut the waste, no one will notice what's missing.

 

[avenue94]

You want to drag it through the courts to enable corruption and slow things down.

Just cut the waste, no one will notice what's missing.

What? In saying if there is fraud, take it to court.

But requiring every budget and transaction to go through court and affirmatively not prove fraud, as you proposed, is an idiotic idea.

 

[Crazy Source]

n 1994, Clinton signed a bill

So it wasn't "Clinton" it was the government of the US through legal channels.
Nobody would bat an eye if Trump was doing this by the book.

Also Trump isn't cutting the budget at all buddy.

These Trump nuthuggers are not arguing in good faith. They don't care that Trump is breaking the law.

 

[Crazy Source]

Prove you are correctly allocating the funds in court. Provide proof every penny goes to a useful purpose.

Yes, you can just cut off funds.

This is basically asking someone to prove bigfoot isn't real. GTFO. Prove a negative. It's an endless circle, and you know you are wrong on this issue. That's obvious by the idiotic positions you are taking.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

What? In saying if there is fraud, take it to court.

But requiring every budget and transaction to go through court and affirmatively not prove fraud, as you proposed, is an idiotic idea.

I know.
I stated that because you said take the fraud to court.

The budget needs to be cut quickly.

But taking people to court is a great idea. This should happen. It needs to happen. But make the cuts first.

 

[Cajun]

This is basically asking someone to prove bigfoot isn't real. GTFO. Prove a negative. It's an endless circle, and you know you are wrong on this issue. That's obvious by the idiotic positions you are taking.

If the doge stuff goes back to congress to review then we will know the truth. Ultimately there will be nowhere to hide

 

[Crazy Source]

If the doge stuff goes back to congress to review then we will know the truth. Ultimately there will be nowhere to hide

It should have never gotten to this point. Musk and his crew have had access to all of our information, and if you don't think he has it all stored somewhere I have a bridge to sell you. There are no words to describe how damaging this can potentially be. The richest man on earth has what is probably the biggest database of people and their finances in the world. I don't understand why you aren't sounding the alarms on this. Do you not understand the significance of a database like this?

 

[Cajun]

It should have never gotten to this point. Musk and his crew have had access to all of our information, and if you don't think he has it all stored somewhere I have a bridge to sell you. There are no words to describe how damaging this can potentially be. The richest man on earth has what is probably the biggest database of people and their finances in the world. I don't understand why you aren't sounding the alarms on this. Do you not understand the significance of a database like this?

Richest man on earth that doesn't live like it. Never has and he's 53. I don't know what security measures are in place and what can be done with the info. Too much media imo. We have wanted this for years and no way anyone trusted them to police themselves. It would have to be someone from the outside. If something comes of it he will be in jail and sued (legit fbi going after him). He risks more than anything for retribution for even attempting it especially if he begins to review the Pentagon...Trump will be gone in 4 years and there is no protection after that.

 

[White Whale]

NED a slush fund for the CIA is being defunded.

 

[Crazy Source]

Richest man on earth that doesn't live like it. Never has and he's 53. I don't know what security measures are in place and what can be done with the info. Too much media imo. We have wanted this for years and no way anyone trusted them to police themselves. It would have to be someone from the outside

I really like you, brother, but we are miles apart on this one. I think you are being incredibly naive. Regardless, I hope you are having a wonderful weekend. To lighten the mood, may I ask what's on the menu?

 

[Cajun]

I really like you, brother, but we are miles apart on this one. I think you are being incredibly naive. Regardless, I hope you are having a wonderful weekend. To lighten the mood, may I ask what's on the menu?

Nothing special. Would love to hit up some boiled crawfish tonight but thinking just some take out Szechuan fish. I'm obsessed with the stuff. You?

 

[Crazy Source]

Nothing special. Would love to hit up some boiled crawfish tonight but thinking just some take out Szechuan fish. I'm obsessed with the stuff. You?

I love Szechuan, but when cook it I usually opt for good beef. With seafood we go out for fried flounder, scallops, shrimp, etc. I hate smelling up the house. What fish?

Tonight is leftover tacos. My toilet is not happy.