Does anyone enjoy this forum anymore?

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

no they shouldn't and death can happen anywhere, it's a miracle it hasn't happened in the UFC an absolute miracle. Of course dumb Dana will say that's because of such and such but no one in the fight business gives a shit about safety, no one. the trainers are too faced about it, well, not totally, my old trainer told me he had his guys sit out or rather helped to ban Gerard Gordeau from fighting because of his dirty tactics. He claims he told the organization that he wouldn't let his guys fight him "we care for our guys" but I never believed it. they care when they want to care, they'd sell their mother into whoredom if they could make a buck.

If these old man fights keep happening, something will go wrong. it's happened before in boxing with Jerry Quarry notably but many, many others, Jerry didn't die but whatever damage he had was made dramatically worse and Jerry could take a beating, poor soul.

I don't think it's a miracle. In MMA a fighter can win by submission which isn't an option in boxing (excluding verbally submitting/quitting). They also generally don't take as much repeated head trauma from one fight to the next. The latter is what makes boxing such a dangerous sport. It's the cumulative effect of taking so many shots to the head. The bigger gloves in pro boxing (8-10 oz vs 4 oz in MMA) only prolongs the beating and so does having counts.

 

[mozfonky]

I don't think it's a miracle. In MMA a fighter can win by submission which isn't an option in boxing (excluding verbally submitting/quitting). They also generally don't take as much repeated head trauma from one fight to the next. The latter is what makes boxing such a dangerous sport. It's the cumulative effect of taking so many shots to the head. The bigger gloves in pro boxing (8-10 oz vs 4 oz in MMA) only prolongs the beating and so does having counts.

It'll happened mark my words and I'm sure they already have plans for when it does.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

It'll happened mark my words and I'm sure they already have plans for when it does.

Oh, it's already happened in the smaller "feeder" leagues of MMA just not in the premier organization (UFC).

 

[mozfonky]

Oh, it's already happened in the smaller "feeder" leagues of MMA just not in the premier organization (UFC).

Yes, i know, it's gonna happen, be a pr nightmare when it does, fortunately, the boxing has always sucked anyways but there's still the knees and kicks that always have power, even if a person really doesn't have a ton of ability, a five year old kicking you in the head won't do you any good.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yes, i know, it's gonna happen, be a pr nightmare when it does, fortunately, the boxing has always sucked anyways but there's still the knees and kicks that always have power, even if a person really doesn't have a ton of ability, a five year old kicking you in the head won't do you any good.

It will happen in the UFC eventually. That's just the nature of combat sports particularly those that allow full-contact strikes. Jon Jones is arguably the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and he didn't have to develop his hands to get there. Instead he honed his elbows, kicks & knees in combination with his submission wrestling/grappling. His boxing is pretty bad even by MMA standards but he gets away with it because he's athletic and has an enormous wingspan.

 

[mozfonky]

It will happen in the UFC eventually. That's just the nature of combat sports particularly those that allow full-contact strikes. Jon Jones is arguably the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and he didn't have to develop his hands to get there. Instead he honed his elbows, kicks & knees in combination with his submission wrestling/grappling. His boxing is pretty bad even by MMA standards but he gets away with it because he's athletic and has an enormous wingspan.

I've only seen one of his fights I think. But MMA is a game where early on, it almost seemed like striking was a waste of time. I don't follow like I did when I was young so I'd be out of touch commenting on what's important today. i just think that it makes them look bad when they still can't hold their hands right after 30 years of the sport.

 

[Dr Fong]

It will happen in the UFC eventually. That's just the nature of combat sports particularly those that allow full-contact strikes. Jon Jones is arguably the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and he didn't have to develop his hands to get there. Instead he honed his elbows, kicks & knees in combination with his submission wrestling/grappling. His boxing is pretty bad even by MMA standards but he gets away with it because he's athletic and has an enormous wingspan.

Jones' shitty boxing is exactly why I don't rate Jones as the GOAT MMA fighter, even though in every other aspect he is great.

He's got a great chin, but he's also managed to avoid true power punchers his entire career. I think he would have got flatlined at least once if he was fighting HW punchers or a guy like Rumble at LHW. His defence is just too poor when he isn't fighting a guy he doesn't have a massive size advantage over.

Boxing is too fundamental to MMA to have it as a major weakness and still claim to be the best. You can hide being shit on the ground if your wrestling is good enough, but eventually poor boxing gets exposed.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

It will happen in the UFC eventually. That's just the nature of combat sports particularly those that allow full-contact strikes. Jon Jones is arguably the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and he didn't have to develop his hands to get there. Instead he honed his elbows, kicks & knees in combination with his submission wrestling/grappling. His boxing is pretty bad even by MMA standards but he gets away with it because he's athletic and has an enormous winwingspan

Also, hes one of the fighters that are so great in many other more flashy areas people forget how ridiculously all time great his chin is too.
Similar to a Canelo or GGG.

I think Jones chin has been a reason why he's never gotten a loss like many people who simply just get caught at LHW & HW

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Jones' shitty boxing is exactly why I don't rate Jones as the GOAT MMA fighter, even though in every other aspect he is great.

He's got a great chin, but he's also managed to avoid true power punchers his entire career. I think he would have got flatlined at least once if he was fighting HW punchers or a guy like Rumble at LHW. His defence is just too poor when he isn't fighting a guy he doesn't have a massive size advantage over.

Boxing is too fundamental to MMA to have it as a major weakness and still claim to be the best. You can hide being shit on the ground if your wrestling is good enough, but eventually poor boxing gets exposed.

Totally disagree. Guys with bad boxing have wrestle fucked their ways to titles and HOF careers & will continue to do so.
In MMA it seems that kick boxing & MT are the better disciplines to be great at. The knees counter takedowns. They have better clinch and transitional skills. Elbows murder boxers.
Jones literally has destroyed some of the best stand up guys in MMA in multiple disciplines with his KB & MT. IMO the diversity of his striking arsenal there more than makes up for any critique fans may have about his head movement or hands. Hell, his footwork, ring IQ, utiliazation of his reach, chin, and ability to cut off a ring make him a" better boxer" alone than most UFC fighters.

Stipe was an accomplished amateur boxer at the regional level. Jones didn't look out of water during hand exchanges. Rampage has decent hands & was kind of known as skilled in some areas of boxing. Same as Vitor.

I agree Jones' legendary chin saved his ass multiple times. But thats no different than greats like Canelo or GGG you eat everything and keep pressuring.

Who would be a better all time LWH or HW over Jones simply due to their boxing superiority?????

Please don't say Fedor, who's chin and lets just say creative overhands would not get pretty far against really good boxers in pure boxing.

Also, Jones being the high IQ fighter that he is would do exactly what DC did to Rumble both times.

Rumble was a legit HW towards the end.
I dont think anyone right now would say that Rumble had better boxing or more power than Francis.
& who knows maybe Francis vs Jones will happen.

 

[treelo]

i dont think we have really seen the damage that MMA is doing on people yet, it may be because the old fighters kind of fade into obscurity because its such a niche sport, but we are seeing it in fighters who have tried to remain active in the public eye(Tito, Chuck, Miocic). Plus a lot of the rubbish heavyweights dont sound like they could string a sentence together before they had a bunch off fights, so its hard to tell with those

see how many different threads we could have made out of just this ONE

people just need to be a bit more sensible about what they are posting for me, posting "Is Jake Paul a good boxer" is only going to generate heart on a forum where most people are hardcore fans

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

i dont think we have really seen the damage that MMA is doing on people yet, it may be because the old fighters kind of fade into obscurity because its such a niche sport, but we are seeing it in fighters who have tried to remain active in the public eye(Tito, Chuck, Miocic). Plus a lot of the rubbish heavyweights dont sound like they could string a sentence together before they had a bunch off fights, so its hard to tell with those

see how many different threads we could have made out of just this ONE

people just need to be a bit more sensible about what they are posting for me, posting "Is Jake Paul a good boxer" is only going to generate heart on a forum where most people are hardcore fans

Well in all fairness to my thread I made. Like it or not Jake Paul is highly relevant to boxing when it comes to popularity. So it is what it is.

 

[Mujeriego]

Totally disagree. Guys with bad boxing have wrestle fucked their ways to titles and HOF careers & will continue to do so.
In MMA it seems that kick boxing & MT are the better disciplines to be great at. The knees counter takedowns. They have better clinch and transitional skills. Elbows murder boxers.
Jones literally has destroyed some of the best stand up guys in MMA in multiple disciplines with his KB & MT.

His first fight with Alex Gustafson, he should've lost, and that was because Gustafson was a former amateur boxer, who boxed him up.

 

[Mujeriego]

Well in all fairness to my thread I made. Like it or not Jake Paul is highly relevant to boxing when it comes to popularity. So it is what it is.

No he's not.
It's Tyson who's popular.
You think Netflix would've went live with Paul vs KSI?
Fuck no.
His last ppv did 60k

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

No he's not.
It's Tyson who's popular.
You think Netflix would've went live with Paul vs KSI?
Fuck no.
His last ppv did 60k

Trust me he's part of the hype machine. You can deny all you want, but it's the truth.

No other YouTube star has done what he's done in boxing.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Jones' shitty boxing is exactly why I don't rate Jones as the GOAT MMA fighter, even though in every other aspect he is great.

He's got a great chin, but he's also managed to avoid true power punchers his entire career. I think he would have got flatlined at least once if he was fighting HW punchers or a guy like Rumble at LHW. His defence is just too poor when he isn't fighting a guy he doesn't have a massive size advantage over.

Boxing is too fundamental to MMA to have it as a major weakness and still claim to be the best. You can hide being shit on the ground if your wrestling is good enough, but eventually poor boxing gets exposed.

Well, if you recall he was supposed to fight Rumble at UFC 187 but DC replaced Jones. Rumble was one of my favorite MMA fighters, very dangerous, but his achilles heel was always the RNC. DC exploited it and Jones likely would've done the same after possibly surviving a scary moment or two.

I agree that boxing is a fundamental skill in MMA but there's no requirement that your hands have to be good. Look at Khabib. He never lost officially, though he probably got a gift against Tibau early on, but his hands were sloppy as hell. He was such a dominant submission grappler that it didn't matter. Like Jones both have nasty GnP.

What about St. Pierre? His hands were also never that good. Really the only world class punch he had in his entire arsenal was his jab which he honed under Freddie Roach. Not even a prime Fedor had developed boxing. He liked to use a casting punch from Sambo to close the distance and if it missed he'd just take opponents down off of it. He trained western boxing but punched like a Sambo fighter and that's what he was. I loved watching Fedor in his prime back in the Pride era but he really damaged his legacy by sticking around way too long. Once he started suffering embarrassing losses he should've retired.