Does anyone enjoy this forum anymore?

[mozfonky]

Was the $700 million offer actually verified? I've kept track of how much these fighters have been paid by the Saudis and they've never paid a fighter even one-third of that figure. That's why I'm so skeptical. It'd be the largest offer in boxing history. Not even Floyd has made that much in a single fight and that's including his PPV cut against Pac. But, the Saudis could pay that amount. It's not like they can't afford it.

I think they had the interviews with the guy today, but I don't know how serious he is. He did say the condition was to kayo jake in one round. The popular theory is that the fight was fixed, almost all boxing people believe it was but that could be just because they dont' want to believe what they saw. I'm of mixed emotions, I never thought Holyfield or Fury should have had any issues with guys who really don't know what they're doing so, we're in an age of bizarre boxing shit. Used to be you could count on Dempsey to knock the shit out of a wrestler coming into his game, even in his forties. Not the case now.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I think they had the interviews with the guy today, but I don't know how serious he is. He did say the condition was to kayo jake in one round. The popular theory is that the fight was fixed, almost all boxing people believe it was but that could be just because they dont' want to believe what they saw. I'm of mixed emotions, I never thought Holyfield or Fury should have had any issues with guys who really don't know what they're doing so, we're in an age of bizarre boxing shit. Used to be you could count on Dempsey to knock the shit out of a wrestler coming into his game, even in his forties. Not the case now.

Who are you referring to with Holyfield his fight against Vitor Belfort? I don't really count that against him. He was almost 60 years old. I do count the Moorer loss against him even though he later avenged it.

 

[mozfonky]

Who are you referring to with Holyfield his fight against Vitor Belfort? I don't really count that against him. He was almost 60 years old. I do count the Moorer loss against him even though he later avenged it

Who are you referring to with Holyfield his fight against Vitor Belfort? I don't really count that against him. He was almost 60 years old. I do count the Moorer loss against him even though he later avenged it.

Yup,belfort.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yup,belfort.

It was clear to me immediately that Holyfield was completely shot. His legs were gone. No balance at all, his reactions weren't there, and his punch resistance wasn't there. I see it no differently than Roy losing to Pettis. Both were only shells of their former selves.

 

[Ballsaque]

Whining? Brainbleed? lol, is it possible to be any more emotional over the truth? You're emotional for a reason.

The point is if you want a more active and enjoyable forum we need the popular guys to fight more often and fight each other. Thats what we got in 2023, but guess what ... 2024 hasn't been even close to 2023. I really hope that changes in 2025 and the first Saudi card looks like a good start.

The majority of the highest profile fighters have not been active this year. Popular fighters generate more discussion than say a hardcore hero than David Benavidez.

Now you might need to grab your favorite blanket because this is going to hurt .... Jake Paul has fought 3 times this year. I'm no fan of his freak shows, but when you talk boxing, his name is going to come up because activity is a major part of it. Yes, there are other factors but fighting 3 times is a huge part of him keeping his name in the game. Yes, I know Garcia is a goon and got suspended. Haney doesn't even have a scheduled fight except for lawsuit. SMH.

If the most popular fighters fought more than once a year, the discussion goes up and the forum is more active. You want a more enjoyable forum with more topics than rumored fights? The most popular guys need to fight more than once a year and guys like Canelo need to replace Berlanga with a better opponent.

The hardcore fan is what's carrying this forum. MMALopez, Kovalev, Treelo, Hagler, Moz, OldCat etc. If you're part of the .etc I apologize for not mentioning you and know I still love you. FWIW I have a pretty good idea why old friend Seano hasn't been posting here as much.

I'd guess the traffic in this forum was higher before and after the Garcia-Haney fight. The momentum for those two has waned? Why? Definitely not because of their inactivity. Nope. If they were active they're be an uptick in discussion/threads no doubt.

Look, I love the sport and I've traveled to watch cards live a lot lately. Even went to one of those Saudi promoted cards you mentioned. A lot of times I've gotten out of bed early in the morning or stayed up late just to watch. I watched a ton of boxing Saturday (DAZN and ESPN card).

I dont know what to say. Carry on.

 

[mozfonky]

It was clear to me immediately that Holyfield was completely shot. His legs were gone. No balance at all, his reactions weren't there, and his punch resistance wasn't there. I see it no differently than Roy losing to Pettis. Both were only shells of their former selves.

they need to sit out then.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

they need to sit out then.

I agree. Except that's been the trend lately with these old ass shot fighters stepping back into the ring. Hopefully it serves as a warning to the rest. Boxing is a young man's game.

 

[mozfonky]

I agree. Except that's been the trend lately with these old ass shot fighters stepping back into the ring. Hopefully it serves as a warning to the rest. Boxing is a young man's game.

I brought up what Cus would have said about tyson losing to some youtube star because Cus would have given him no quarter, Mike knows. Cus gave no excuses for bad performances. Tyson recounts how Cus asked Ali how he could lose ot a shoemaker, Cus' vernacular for a run of the mill fighter when he lost to holmes and accepted no excuses about old or pills or what have you. that outlook does have it's merits and I know Tyson was thinking "oh god, what would cus say?"

 

[Dr Fong]

I brought up what Cus would have said about tyson losing to some youtube star because Cus would have given him no quarter, Mike knows. Cus gave no excuses for bad performances. Tyson recounts how Cus asked Ali how he could lose ot a shoemaker, Cus' vernacular for a run of the mill fighter when he lost to holmes and accepted no excuses about old or pills or what have you. that outlook does have it's merits and I know Tyson was thinking "oh god, what would cus say?"

You seem to have a very low opinion of Cus D'Amato.

If Cus 'gave no excuses for bad performances' 'about old' in reference to a 58-year-old man then he would be mentally disabled. I don't think he had an IQ of 70.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I brought up what Cus would have said about tyson losing to some youtube star because Cus would have given him no quarter, Mike knows. Cus gave no excuses for bad performances. Tyson recounts how Cus asked Ali how he could lose ot a shoemaker, Cus' vernacular for a run of the mill fighter when he lost to holmes and accepted no excuses about old or pills or what have you. that outlook does have it's merits and I know Tyson was thinking "oh god, what would cus say?"

A no excuses philosophy sounds good in theory and all but aging is real. Fighters have a very short shelf life. That's why we use such terminology as 'prime' and 'past prime', etc. Ali was supposed to lose to Holmes and Holyfield was supposed to lose the Belfort fight. Fighters can only beat the odds so many times in their career before they can no longer do it. Their bodies won't cooperate.

 

[mozfonky]

A no excuses philosophy sounds good in theory and all but aging is real. Fighters have a very short shelf life. That's why we use such terminology as 'prime' and 'past prime', etc. Ali was supposed to lose to Holmes and Holyfield was supposed to lose the Belfort fight. Fighters can only beat the odds so many times in their career before they can no longer do it. Their bodies won't cooperate.

You seem to have a very low opinion of Cus D'Amato.

If Cus 'gave no excuses for bad performances' 'about old' in reference to a 58-year-old man then he would be mentally disabled. I don't think he had an IQ of 70.

very low, very very low.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

very low, very very low.

I respect the old-timers and their school of hard knocks approach but common sense will always prevail over any unrealistic expectations they may place on a fighter.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

To be fair, there isn't as many traffic in the boxing forum than obviously the UFC discussion forum. I'm sure if they had equal amount of traffic, it would be more active with threads on here.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

To be fair, there isn't as many traffic in the boxing forum than obviously the UFC discussion forum. I'm sure if they had equal amount of traffic, it would be more active with threads on here.

Yeah, the UFC forum gets way more traffic but that's not surprising. Sherdog is primarily an MMA site after all. The boxing forum is its own independent forum though. I often hear misinformed people referring to it as a subforum when it isn't. An example of a subforum would be Surf's Up Shoop Shop. It descends from its parent node the UFC Discussion forum.

 

[froggyluv]

I agree. Except that's been the trend lately with these old ass shot fighters stepping back into the ring. Hopefully it serves as a warning to the rest. Boxing is a young man's game.

i dont think it has -if anything the opposite is true. Freak off shows are much more popular than standard boxing today

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

i dont think it has -if anything the opposite is true. Freak off shows are much more popular than standard boxing today

It hasn't deterred any of them at this point in time but one of them suffering a severe injury or dying might. That hasn't happened yet but I could see it happening. Guys in their 50s and older shouldn't be boxing especially not against much younger fighters (regardless of their experience level). Hopkins tried it and look where it got him—knocked out of the ring and retired.

 

[mozfonky]

It hasn't deterred any of them at this point in time but one of them suffering a severe injury or dying might. That hasn't happened yet but I could see it happening. Guys in their 50s and older shouldn't be boxing especially not against much younger fighters (regardless of their experience level). Hopkins tried it and look where it got him—knocked out of the ring and retired.

no they shouldn't and death can happen anywhere, it's a miracle it hasn't happened in the UFC an absolute miracle. Of course dumb Dana will say that's because of such and such but no one in the fight business gives a shit about safety, no one. the trainers are too faced about it, well, not totally, my old trainer told me he had his guys sit out or rather helped to ban Gerard Gordeau from fighting because of his dirty tactics. He claims he told the organization that he wouldn't let his guys fight him "we care for our guys" but I never believed it. they care when they want to care, they'd sell their mother into whoredom if they could make a buck.

If these old man fights keep happening, something will go wrong. it's happened before in boxing with Jerry Quarry notably but many, many others, Jerry didn't die but whatever damage he had was made dramatically worse and Jerry could take a beating, poor soul.

 

[StopDucking]

You seem to have a very low opinion of Cus D'Amato.

If Cus 'gave no excuses for bad performances' 'about old' in reference to a 58-year-old man then he would be mentally disabled. I don't think he had an IQ of 70.

He's talking nonsense.

Cus D'Amato is the same guy who kept telling Mike "You'll never fight George Foreman. Don't do it." to the point where Mike was still terrified of George 20 years later and always refused to fight him. Surely, Cus D'Amato understood the concepts of advantages and disadvantages.

 

[mozfonky]

as far as the forum, so many great posters have gotten themselves banned over the years, guys who knew more than guys who were currenly fighting, some with much more knowledge than I about the pre-40's fighters. Now, it's just young guys who you can't really tell anything about anything and they are too young to really know what's what.

 

[mozfonky]

He's talking nonsense.

Cus D'Amato is the same guy who kept telling Mike "You'll never fight George Foreman. Don't do it." to the point where Mike was still terrified of George 20 years later and always refused to fight him. Surely, Cus D'Amato understood the concepts of advantages and disadvantages.

Moi? the guy who told tyson character wins fights? that it was always a failure of character and nothing else? Sure, he coddled Patterson because Patterson needed coddling. What he said to Mike or didn't say, we don't know. I don't know if he said that, and I don't know if Tyson begged king not to put him in with Foreman (another story) . Guess what? Cus was also quoted as saying that sooner or later "the n-word would come out of him" regarding tyson. I doubt he said that either.

I wouldn't even be sure he told Ali that but given how much he respected Muhammad, I could see it.