Do you think Colby Covington would've performed better vs Islam than JDM did?

[JKS]

Islam would have handled him as well. But he would have put up more of a fight and resisted the grappling more.

 

[lsa]

he beat legendary grappler demien maiya

he beat legendary grappler demien maiya and rda, so...

So legendary you cant even spell his name...
Its Demian Maia...

 

[cburm]

First off, this isn't an argument or suggestion that Colby deserves a TS vs Islam...this is purely speculation: do you think Colby (assuming he had a full camp) would've performed better vs Islam than JDM did?

Prime colby idk how islam wins tbh..

 

[CasualBot]

No. Clobby hasn't beat anyone on the entire UFC active roster, and when he was in his so called prime he was dreadful, can't finish anyone, even cans he couldn't finish them. He is so overrated, no submissions, nothing on his punches, terrible. Islam by rear naked choke round 2

 

[Mind Mine]

Hindsight is 20 20 but Colby may be the most overrated fighter to remain near a title shot a very long time in the history of the UFC

 

[Azhcrove]

Prime colby idk how islam wins tbh..

 

[chardog]

anyone would have perfomed better than JDM, doesnt mean much.

 

[It Just Is]

Busted Colby is either picked apart on the feet for five rounds or is laid on. Prime Colby makes it competitive, but he'd ultimately start to take damage and likely lose by being taken down in the later rounds. Probably looks like Islam vs. Poirier without Colby landing power shots.

 

[the_details]

he beat legendary grappler demien maiya

Maia has a 24% takedown success rate and a 61% takedown defense rate. These aren't top 10 numbers. #10 in takedown success is Chiesa at 55.8%, #10 in defense is GSP at 85.2%, for comparison. Colby landed 0 takedowns in that fight, not that he attempted any (skeered, obviously). He stuffed all of Maia's, but Maia is, statistically, not a very good takedown artist.

islam cant take him down

Colby has a TD defense rate of 68%. Again, this isn't top 10 here, he's damn near 20 points away from #10, and that's GSP. Every fighter in the UFC who has attempted a takedown against him except Maia (who isn't good at takedowns) and Buckley (who isn't great at TD's either, and only tried one, and it wasn't even what I would consider a real attempt) has got him down. I'm pretty sure Islam gets him down.

Think about this, Buckley isn't considered a wrestler. His finishes are all KO/TKO. He isn't going to remembered as some AAA tier grappler. He has higher TD success and higher TD defense stats than Colby does. Colby went 1 and 8, or 12%, in takedowns in their fight. He's not going to with a grappling battle with Islam. He never would.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Maia has a 24% takedown success rate and a 61% takedown defense rate. These aren't top 10 numbers. #10 in takedown success is Chiesa at 55.8%, #10 in defense is GSP at 85.2%, for comparison. Colby landed 0 takedowns in that fight, not that he attempted any (skeered, obviously). He stuffed all of Maia's, but Maia is, statistically, not a very good takedown artist.

Colby has a TD defense rate of 68%. Again, this isn't top 10 here, he's damn near 20 points away from #10, and that's GSP. Every fighter in the UFC who has attempted a takedown against him except Maia (who isn't good at takedowns) and Buckley (who isn't great at TD's either, and only tried one, and it wasn't even what I would consider a real attempt) has got him down. I'm pretty sure Islam gets him down.

Think about this, Buckley isn't considered a wrestler. His finishes are all KO/TKO. He isn't going to remembered as some AAA tier grappler. He has higher TD success and higher TD defense stats than Colby does. Colby went 1 and 8, or 12%, in takedowns in their fight. He's not going to with a grappling battle with Islam. He never would.

I'm not sure if these stats are great because they seldom take into account stylistic matchups and strength of competition. Sample sizes for combat sports are very wonky too.

Damian Maia might have a low takedown rate, but we've seen him takedown a lot of fighters, including good wrestlers like Jon Fitch and Chael Sonnen.

Naturally, everyone and their mother does everything they can to avoid the ground against Maia, because if Maia had like a 50% takedown rate he would pretty much be unbeatable.

 

[Adamant]

First off, this isn't an argument or suggestion that Colby deserves a TS vs Islam...this is purely speculation: do you think Colby (assuming he had a full camp) would've performed better vs Islam than JDM did?

Current version? No way. Prime Colby? Yeah, he'd have put up a hell of a fight.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Maia has a 24% takedown success rate and a 61% takedown defense rate. These aren't top 10 numbers. #10 in takedown success is Chiesa at 55.8%, #10 in defense is GSP at 85.2%, for comparison. Colby landed 0 takedowns in that fight, not that he attempted any (skeered, obviously). He stuffed all of Maia's, but Maia is, statistically, not a very good takedown artist.

Colby has a TD defense rate of 68%. Again, this isn't top 10 here, he's damn near 20 points away from #10, and that's GSP. Every fighter in the UFC who has attempted a takedown against him except Maia (who isn't good at takedowns) and Buckley (who isn't great at TD's either, and only tried one, and it wasn't even what I would consider a real attempt) has got him down. I'm pretty sure Islam gets him down.

Think about this, Buckley isn't considered a wrestler. His finishes are all KO/TKO. He isn't going to remembered as some AAA tier grappler. He has higher TD success and higher TD defense stats than Colby does. Colby went 1 and 8, or 12%, in takedowns in their fight. He's not going to with a grappling battle with Islam. He never would.

Colby Covington is at the end of his career and is way less athletic than he used to be.

 

[the_details]

I'm not sure if these stats are great because they seldom take into account stylistic matchups and strength of competition. Sample sizes for combat sports are very wonky too.

Damian Maia might have a low takedown rate, but we've seen him takedown a lot of fighters, including good wrestlers like Jon Fitch and Chael Sonnen.

Naturally, everyone and their mother does everything they can to avoid the ground against Maia, because if Maia had like a 50% takedown rate he would pretty much be unbeatable.

Maia had a 25% success rate against Sonnen, 41% against Fitch. Went 0-7 in takedowns against Weidman and Munoz each, and only had a 38% against Kendal Grove, a guy with a 56% TD defense, so worse than Grove's average defense

Other than Maia, there isn't a fighter in the UFC that didn't attempt 2 takedowns or more against Colby who hasn't scored a takedown. Maia just isn't the guy who gets every takedown, but he is the guy that might only need one. But this thread isn't really about Maia, it's about Colby vs Islam. The only fight that Colby's TD defense looked bulletproof was against Maia, but Maia went 0-21 against Woodley, 0-13 against Colby, 0-13 against Anderson Silva, 0-2 against Maquardt and 0-15 against Usman. So I'm supposed to believe Maia is Michael Jordan-esque in his takedowns when he's been shut out by multiple guys? Nah, dawg.