Media Do you hold Anderson Silva's positive PED test against him?

[effedup]

Doesn't really matter as I believe everyone's on something at the very top anyway. Anderson popped after his injury and he was in his 40s so yeah... There's that.
These guys are fighting. I could care less what they're are on or not. Sure it's a sport but at the end of the day these guys ain't swinging a bat. A KO is death and being choked out is the same thing.

 

[Christhammer]

PEDs are a plague upon combat sports, no question. USADA testing has done a great job at cleaning up the vast majority of the sport.

And I'd say they're a relevant issue in all discussion about the P4P GOATs, though I don't take the discussions too seriously. They're just fun.

But I'm curious what the general consensus of Anderson Silva's positive PED test after the Nick Diaz fight.

[Go ahead and vote in the poll above, if your opinion is already solidified]


Lets look back exactly what he tested positive for -

https://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/...-tested-positive-for-two-types-of-performance

"Anderson Silva not only tested positive for Drostanolone metabolites in a Jan. 9 out-of-competition drug test, but traces of the banned substance Androstane were also found within the legendary champion's system, according to Nevada Athletic Commission (NAC) executive director Bob Bennett.

Drostanolone is a common form of anabolic steroid. Androstane is a form of endogenous steroid hormone. Both substances are banned according to World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code."



That's pretty cut and dry, right? If you're of the opinion that any PEDs positive test throws into question if the fighter was always on PEDs and this was just the first time they got caught. And Silva was not using an obscure PED that no one knew about, but a steroid & steroid hormone. Two PEDs.

But there's a sympathetic argument towards this not harming his legacy. Before the Diaz fight, this happened to him 14 months before -

Given the fact he went through THAT - possibly the most painful injury in combat sports - & an entire year of recovery that went into his fight camp for Diaz... its kinda understandable he'd take anything to aid in the healing [though if steroids aid in healing what injuries is another topic].

And he's never tested positive for anything before, or since.

So what's your opinion?

Yes. Others are clearly more dedicated to avoiding detection.

 

[Marko Polo]

Hundreds of PED cheats and no one has come close to replicating prime Matrix Silva. He wasn’t bullying guys using physical gifts gained from steroids over the course of a career, he was out classing opponents with timing and fight I.Q and then he used at the end to heal from an injury

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

nah fuck it

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

PEDs are a plague upon combat sports, no question. USADA testing has done a great job at cleaning up the vast majority of the sport.

1. While not exactly in favor of most banned PEDs, especially anabolic steroids, I have a lot of questions about whether they are entirely negative in pro sports.
2. I'm skeptical that USADA has cleaned up the sport.

 

[stacrafty]

Steroids dont make skill.

its all relative. Name one elite striker he fought?

He got dropped by Chael Sonnon lmao

Hes now fighting boxers.. old over the hill boxers or youtubers. Izzy fought legit heavyweights. Theres levels.

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

Can I finally get some answers, please?



Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact that Silva failed on his VERY FIRST RANDOM TEST?

Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals, fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact, that drostanolone, ISN'T PRESCRIBED FOR A BROKEN BONE INJURY, as it (specifically long term side effect, which plays into evidence of him using it long term) causes CALCIUM LEAKAGE FROM BONES.

Why does Silva get a pass for his 8/9 losing streak(should be 9/9), coincidentally after his MULTIPLE PED FAILURES, I get he is legitmately passed his prime, but others like Vitor didn't get a pass, and he was passed his prime during his losses too, everyone chopped it up because no Juice, as the same with other examples.

And now, once again, my BIGGEST ANNOYANCE by people's continuous stupidity, and hilarious refusal to answer;

Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact that Silva has popped TWICE, a.k.a, MORE THAN ONCE.

Like what delusional reality do you all exist in, to believe it never happened, are y'all on drugs? Can I have some, please?

So can any fanboi &/or casual that doesn't acknowledge it, tell me exactly WHY you all seemingly have agreed to ignore, and never bring up or acknowledge that Silva has pissed hit TWICE, a.k.a. MORE THAN ONCE?

 

[surrealworlds]

Im of two minds. 1) Cheaters should always be taken out of the GOAT type conversations. He knew the rules, he broke them.
2) He is a fighting legend by any standards and his skills were amazing. It sucks hes a cheater but damn he was/is good.

I personally dont give a shit about PEDs in the sense of; if they just made it all legal id still watch. But they are not legal and i just cant stand cheaters in sports.

 

[Fioretti]

Not popping doesn't equate to not being clean either.....

Correct.

"It's mandatory. Very well known"

Correct.

 

[BangBang]

Yeah, I'd never let him be my wing man.

 

[pinero]

Can I finally get some answers, please?



Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact that Silva failed on his VERY FIRST RANDOM TEST?

Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals, fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact, that drostanolone, ISN'T PRESCRIBED FOR A BROKEN BONE INJURY, as it (specifically long term side effect, which plays into evidence of him using it long term) causes CALCIUM LEAKAGE FROM BONES.

Why does Silva get a pass for his 8/9 losing streak(should be 9/9), coincidentally after his MULTIPLE PED FAILURES, I get he is legitmately passed his prime, but others like Vitor didn't get a pass, and he was passed his prime during his losses too, everyone chopped it up because no Juice, as the same with other examples.

And now, once again, my BIGGEST ANNOYANCE by people's continuous stupidity, and hilarious refusal to answer;

Why do the majority of Silva fanbois, and casuals fail to acknowledge and ignore the fact that Silva has popped TWICE, a.k.a, MORE THAN ONCE.

Like what delusional reality do you all exist in, to believe it never happened, are y'all on drugs? Can I have some, please?

So can any fanboi &/or casual that doesn't acknowledge it, tell me exactly WHY you all seemingly have agreed to ignore, and never bring up or acknowledge that Silva has pissed hit TWICE, a.k.a. MORE THAN ONCE?

All these are freaking good points, I was a big fan of Silva but his failed tests tainted his legacy, all the claims about that steroids doesn't give a real edge are bullshit, you cheated and risk a lot because you will get an enormous advantage if not you wouldn't not take that big risk but we live in an era of instant gratification and cheaters, for me he still an amazing fun fighter ( same with Jones) but out of any list of best ever.

 

[deviake]

They're all on steroids. Legalize and regulate 'em, try to make sure they're used as safely as possible, stop the attack on personal freedom.

Anderson GOAT.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

He is one of my fave fighters but yes I do big time. Huge disappointment.

 

[Dont troll me]

Anybody remember Sonnens numbers after the 1st Silva fight?

16:1 T/E

 

[mahavishnunj]

It is known.



If you understand that he was able to pass tests while taking something, then you understand that every other fighter in history was also capable of doing so.

You're trying to condemn Silva to a career of PED use based on one failed test at the end of his career, right? If that is so, you have to acknowledge that not pissing hot doesn't equate to clean. Even for your favey.

The stupidity here is astounding, and I'M the one being accused of not understanding, lol. I will yell this one more time for the mentally impaired: HE IS ON CAMERA WITH PEDS ON HIS SHELF IN 2010-2011. I cannot hold your hand anymore on this.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

All these are freaking good points, I was a big fan of Silva but his failed tests tainted his legacy, all the claims about that steroids doesn't give a real edge are bullshit, you cheated and risk a lot because you will get an enormous advantage if not you wouldn't not take that big risk but we live in an era of instant gratification and cheaters, for me he still an amazing fun fighter ( same with Jones) but out of any list of best ever.

Interesting how hard people come down on Silva but free pass for Bones.

 

[YoyoDS17]

Prime matrix Silva >

 

[pinero]

Interesting how hard people come down on Silva but free pass for Bones.

I have more sympathy for Silva but still, not enough to give him a free pass.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

First off yeah the timing was a bit weird, in his prime he never popped. Old Silva popped, I do think he was likely on them his whole career tho but I think almost everybody was and I still think they are. Before USADA especially and even right now there are some guys you can tell just by looking at them are on juice (not going to name any names).

Sonnen, Griffin, Vitor, Hendo, Leben, Bonnar etc.. were all on stuff and there are some other guys I believe were too. I believe most people that take stuff don't get caught (especially back then) so imo almost all of his opponents were on roids. For me I can't really take something away from a guy that was just doing what everybody else was.

I also believe everybody else in the GOAT discussion was on gear too.

 

[mahavishnunj]

They're all on steroids. Legalize and regulate 'em, try to make sure they're used as safely as possible

What a GENIUS idea! lol