Do you have to deal with gaslighting in your life?

I'm pretty good at recognizing people like this (experience gained from getting burned) and just don't let them into my life. If they get by my radar, I have zero tolerance for it and they're out of my life.
 
People's memories aren't very accurate, especially over time and people's feelings towards people can change their memory of past events, it's pretty well researched.......

As for people that actually gaslight, it's usually to cover up for something their up too......

I love my wife but her memory is not always perfect. Mine isn't either but I remember alot of things in more detail more often than her.

She'll sometimes say that she is an expert at tuning things out, and there's some truth to that. If she's multitasking or focused on something else, and you try to talk to her you might as well come back later because it doesn't get through.

Several times when she gets heated about unrelated things she'll accuse me of "gaslighting her all the time" because I'll point out when we did see a specific movie together or the kids played a bad pop song they like for her (that both she and I agreed was bad) and she swears it never happened, because she honestly doesn't remember it. It's never about anything important, but instead of being honest that she just doesn't remember watching that movie she'll double down and insist it never happened and how dare you try to convince her that it did?

No, it never happened. No, you're confusing it with something else.

So we sit down and watch the movie I know we watched 5 months ago that she swears I'm confused about and was ready to fight me over the fact that we never watched it and 25 minutes in the film she'll say "oh I remember this now".

Then a month later "you gaslight me all the time!"

Memory is a funny thing, but use of therapy terms as buzzwords in relationship articles directed at women has gone too far.
 
LMFAOLLL mi neighbor cross di street him gaslightin' him (ex) gyal rn bro str8 tellin' di gyal he been cheatin' cuz she be trippin' all di taym aboot him cheatin' like him nuh cheat if she nuh accuse him first ahaha gyal drivin' a dusty azz altima an' him a edgar ting funny af fam dnt gaslight mi an' tell mi ting nuh happen ting happenin' rn fam real talks 🍿
 
Yes. My wife. It's much better than in the past now. but from 2013 to about 2023 it was off and on, but when she did it it was pretty bad. I usually blamed myself because she was right some of the times, but she overdid it later. I don't think it was intentional, just her way of coping, making herself seem better and more worthy and me being the thing holding us all back because I was lazy and incapable.
Thing is, by 2015 I was arguably the one taking care of things and moving things forward, I just didn't even realize it and she didn't admit I was doing more than she would admit. A large piece of evidence, and the first time I started realizing that she was just wrong about me was when she went on a 3 week trip and I was left home working. More shit got done and cleaned around the house and things that needed taken care of did in those 3 weeks than when she was home for months.
Things are much better now because she doesn't put me down or make me feel worthless or stupid. I think it's helped our marriage a lot too because we both seem happier now that the resentment from both of us is significantly less.

I could go into way more detail. And it wasn't a "bad" case of gaslighting. But I definitely felt worthless, incapable, and stupid for years, even if it was a little less each year after 2015.
 
I always thought gaslighting meant you're criticizing someone over a stance they don't take. Essentially putting words in their mouth.

"Oh, you're from Alabama? Why do you hate women?"

That kind of thing. It's become a buzzword and it used incorrectly quite often now. That's my understanding anyway.
 
@lsa

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LMFAOLLL mi neighbor cross di street him gaslightin' him (ex) gyal rn bro str8 tellin' di gyal he been cheatin' cuz she be trippin' all di taym aboot him cheatin' like him nuh cheat if she nuh accuse him first ahaha gyal drivin' a dusty azz altima an' him a edgar ting funny af fam dnt gaslight mi an' tell mi ting nuh happen ting happenin' rn fam real talks 🍿
Damn Google Gemini did a pretty good translation of this

"Laughing my freaking ass off! My neighbor just crossed the street and he's totally gaslighting his ex-girlfriend right now. Bro is straight up telling her he's been cheating because she's always accusing him of cheating, as if he wouldn't cheat if she didn't accuse him first. Haha! She's driving a beat-up old Altima, and he's got that 'Edgar' haircut thing going on. It's so funny, man. Don't try to gaslight me and tell me nothing's happening, this is happening right now, for real."
 
Gaslighting only works if you actually don't remember things you said or did. I imagine it works better on people who drink a lot.
But if you didn't actually remember, you'd have no basis to claim you were being gaslit.

The entire thing is horseshit.
 
No. I trust myself and just assume everyone is a can and go about my day. Of course it's also important educate yourself on matters, think rationally etc (as well as be able to admit when you're wrong). I sure as hell am not walking around questioning myself though.
 
I have many more examples of my boss not taking things I say seriously and wanting to make me doubt myself, only for the things I said to come out to be true and/or situations play out exactly how I warned everyone about.

Case in point, we had someone work in accounting who was just bitter and difficult to work with. I was with the company about a year before he joined, and as he comes from a finance background he was interested in getting to know her and work with her

At first he claimed she was great, none of the stuff I warned him about was true, etc. 6 months after dealing with her he told everyone he didn't understand how she still had a job working there cuz she was so bitter and difficult. I casually mentioned I tried to tell him about that and he denied it. This accounting person was ultimately terminated.

There's some other stuff about some investments and some software we have that I had shared some thoughts on, I wasn't taken seriously because everyone else who doesn't directly use our system thought it was fine as is...

Then we all found out the hard way that I was right all along and we ought to move away from our current system and yet he still won't acknowledge that I made some solid observations a looong time ago.

I could go on, but essentially his playbook is to make it seem like people who work for him don't have a valid opinion on their areas of expertise. It's one thing to get more information from people or offer a different perspective based on some notions my boss may have, but his MO is to question people in things he doesn't actually know much about. He does it in a way where he makes people doubt their own experience and reality.

My conversation with him about AI is a perfect example. Hey boss yes I actually did study AI in school for a bit. His response: no you didn't, you didn't do that in school. Don't say that you did. I literally had to show him the syllabus of some of my classes on machine learning and neutral networks to get him to change his tune.
I'm @ myself here, lol, but just to provide some info on something that happened today-

He was trying to convince our resident R&D specialist, who has had many years of experience working in R&D for big companies, that she should be able to reverse engineer products based on publicly available information. She tried to explain how that's impossible because they public info hardly tells the whole story, how some info is allowed to be kept confidential specifically because a producer doesn't want competitors doing that, etc.

His response boiled down to- that's not true, people do it all the time. He was trying to make her doubt her own years of acquired knowledge and experience

L O L

I'm far from the only victim of this behavior.
 
I love my wife but her memory is not always perfect. Mine isn't either but I remember alot of things in more detail more often than her.

She'll sometimes say that she is an expert at tuning things out, and there's some truth to that. If she's multitasking or focused on something else, and you try to talk to her you might as well come back later because it doesn't get through.

Several times when she gets heated about unrelated things she'll accuse me of "gaslighting her all the time" because I'll point out when we did see a specific movie together or the kids played a bad pop song they like for her (that both she and I agreed was bad) and she swears it never happened, because she honestly doesn't remember it. It's never about anything important, but instead of being honest that she just doesn't remember watching that movie she'll double down and insist it never happened and how dare you try to convince her that it did?

No, it never happened. No, you're confusing it with something else.

So we sit down and watch the movie I know we watched 5 months ago that she swears I'm confused about and was ready to fight me over the fact that we never watched it and 25 minutes in the film she'll say "oh I remember this now".

Then a month later "you gaslight me all the time!"

Memory is a funny thing, but use of therapy terms as buzzwords in relationship articles directed at women has gone too far.
Thanks for sharing. That's rough man, but it sounds like you have it mostly under control.

I do agree that buzzwords and relationship articles can actually be harmful for two major reasons.
  1. A lot of the information out there and advice is not aligned. It can be difficult to determine what is useful
  2. Some people read that stuff, do not fully understand it, yet use the information "learned" to justify a course of action
Regarding number 2, I will give a real world example. My ex started to look into attachment styles. For those who are not familiar with the concept here is a basic explanation

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She was convinced she had the secure attachment style, but most of her actions actually aligned with the anxious style, and some of them with the avoidant style.

In my case I do admit I have avoidant characteristics, so it's something I have on my radar and something I can admit to myself that I need to work on.

If someone starts to look at this information but can't be honest with themselves about what they do or how they come off, there's a maaaajor problem.
 
I don‘t know I really understand what gaslighting is. I feel like it‘s a word I never heard until a year ago and now everyone is using it.
It’s from an old film called Gaslight.

I can’t remember much of it. But basically this man moves into a woman’s home (back when they had gas lines pipes throughout all homes for lighting) under some pretext (marriage maybe).

But he’s really looking for some fortune he knows she has. He believes she has it in the attic. So he sneaks up there whenever he can to look for it, and I’m doing so causes the gaslights in the home to flicker and dim. I guess because he’s somehow stepping on the gas lines when he’s up there.

When she asks him about it, he tells her that it’s her imagination. He keeps doing that to the point where she believes she’s going insane.
 
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Damn Google Gemini did a pretty good translation of this

"Laughing my freaking ass off! My neighbor just crossed the street and he's totally gaslighting his ex-girlfriend right now. Bro is straight up telling her he's been cheating because she's always accusing him of cheating, as if he wouldn't cheat if she didn't accuse him first. Haha! She's driving a beat-up old Altima, and he's got that 'Edgar' haircut thing going on. It's so funny, man. Don't try to gaslight me and tell me nothing's happening, this is happening right now, for real."

Shut up
 
I get accused of gaslighting someone a lot. But I'm not gaslighting.....it's just that I'm right and she's wrong. Gaslighting is on my buzzword bingo card.
 
I've had two very strong examples of being gaslit in recent years. here's the official definition:



First example- my marriage and divorce. Ex wife did this repeatedly in the last year we were together, essentially distorting events that happened between us and by trying to make me doubt everything I said. It got to the point where we'd have a discussion about an observation, she'd share her thoughts on the subject, I'd share mine, saying something like "X and Y, so Z" but she'd immediately respond with "oh it's not that, it's Z because Y and X".

We were literally saying the same thing, but she'd want me to believe I was wrong somehow. She initiated the separation but I didn't push back, as I had accepted the relationship wasn't working anymore.

Second, most recent example- my boss.

A few months back he had asked in a group meeting if we had any experts in AI. I raised my hand, and shared that I'd never call myself an expert but I did study it in school and I know the fundamentals of how it works and what it does. He cut the convo short and said we'd discuss later. In a few days in a one on one meeting, he didn't merely challenge me on what I was saying, he flat out told me that I didn't know anything about AI and he didn't appreciate that I shared that I had knowledge of the subject in a group setting. He wasn't just questioning my credentials, he was telling me what I knew and what I didn't know.

I walked out of the room. I wasn't going to tolerate that. What I ended up doing was sharing some links in some specific coursework I took and the very specific projects I worked on and the applications I used it for in the real world. He eventually had an "oh shit" moment and realized he messed up and apologized for the way he confronted me on the matter.

Another issue I have been having is with my team. When I share my thoughts about two specific people on my team, he seems to think his opinion on the subject is somehow more valid.

One guy, A, came to the team with minimal experience, but he is responsible and he has learned quite a bit. He's a good employee and I am glad to have him on my team, but I also recognize he lacks confidence due to his inexperience. I've been slowly teaching him more and giving him responsibilities because I do not want to overload him. He has already gotten promoted and given very good raises over the past 2 years, he just needs to be given space to develop over time.

The other guy, L is much older and is a bit of a space cadet. He technically has more experience, but he's very disorganized, impulsive, and forgetful. I think L needs more training and support- and it isn't something he's going to learn and adapt to by going to a 3 day seminar. I shared my concerns with L with my boss, and my boss is somehow convinced that I could solve the problem by giving some of L's responsibilities to A.

This is where the gaslighting comes in: Instead of taking me at my word on L's deficiencies, he started to pick apart some of the very basic examples I brought up of L making mistakes or forgetting to complete his tasks. Instead of listening to my concerns about overloading A, and even after giving some very specific examples as to how A is a great guy but lacks confidence, boss says "well that's just something you need to manage"

After some time he ultimately realized that L may not in fact be a good fit and he may need some additional support and training. I then think to myself, then why'd you have to make me doubt my own reality? Why were you so convinced that you had the answer when I'm the one who has to deal with L's incompetence and A's lack of confidence on a daily basis?


In both cases, like with my ex and with my boss, I feel like it's some form of insecurity manifesting. I suppose I should be glad I recognize this behavior and know it's not appropriate. It is justification for me to make a decision to move on. It just sucks to know I've wasted time and energy investing into a relationship and my career to have to look to start over again, because some people wanted to make me doubt reality.
I've managed employees that probably fit that definition. They tend to use manipulation tricks like, "everyone thinks X" to try to strengthen their position. But, when you ask anyone else, it doesn't match X.
 
I've managed employees that probably fit that definition. They tend to use manipulation tricks like, "everyone thinks X" to try to strengthen their position. But, when you ask anyone else, it doesn't match X.
Plus, it doesn’t fucking matter what everyone else thinks. Tons of people think Nickelback is a great rock band. And they’re all dead wrong.
 
I don’t know why but this is one of those fucking terms that just bothers me.

I can’t put my finger on why but just the term gaslight bugs the shit out of me.
 
I don’t know why but this is one of those fucking terms that just bothers me.

I can’t put my finger on why but just the term gaslight bugs the shit out of me.
It's one of those gen z psychology terms that's been hijacked by people who use these terms to avoid taking responsibility and dodge any criticism. I preferred it when it was called being a manipulative cunt.
 
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