do you consider the oblique kick dirty?

thugpoet said:
so if u headbutted me, punched me in the groin and then rabbited punched me do u really think ur gonna get just a warning for each?
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I know a pro mma guy who makes a point of kicking EVERYONE he fights in the nuts first round. He thinks people are too stupid to take 5 minutes to recover and it always gives him an edge. He's never lost a point for it.

Edit - I enjoyed hearing about it from him. He thinks that kicking people in the nuts is the be all of fighting. Talking to people online, you would think that kicking someone in the nuts can't be felt in a fight and that all it does is turn you on or make you mad. Guys I know in real life though - they think it is an awesome cheap way to get ahead.
 
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SummerStriker said:
I know a pro mma guy who makes a point of kicking EVERYONE he fights in the nuts first round. He thinks people are too stupid to take 5 minutes to recover and it always gives him an edge. He's never lost a point for it.
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You know Cheick Kongo?
 
Cannon_6 said:
I think most children would recognize that I wrote that "win... win... win..." post for one purpose: to wind you up further.

Too bad you didn't.



Pot, meet kettle.
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Thought you'd finished toying with me man??

Nakmuay18 fully condones kicking guys in the nuts when they try to smash your knee ligaments!

How's that for taking responsibility?
 
Keith Jardine's knee got screwed up via a similar kick from Wilson Gouveia, and then aggitated again by Brandon Vera.
 
SummerStriker said:
I know a pro mma guy who makes a point of kicking EVERYONE he fights in the nuts first round. He thinks people are too stupid to take 5 minutes to recover and it always gives him an edge. He's never lost a point for it.

Edit - I enjoyed hearing about it from him. He thinks that kicking people in the nuts is the be all of fighting. Talking to people online, you would think that kicking someone in the nuts can't be felt in a fight and that all it does is turn you on or make you mad. Guys I know in real life though - they think it is an awesome cheap way to get ahead.
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well if that's what u enjoy doing then right on a head...
 
Nakmuay18 seemed to be awfully winded up about just a kick....
But anyway, i don't think it is a move to designed to cause long term damage or dirty otherwise as much as it is a disruption move. And if you put yourself into position to get injure by that kick, then it is as much your faults as the other guy. It is a legal kick don't forget that.Aren't you supposed to know how to defend yourself at all time?

This is like the leg lock arguments, when somebody liken it to being cheap and dirty because you can submit the other guy without passing his guard and higher injury rate. And then those people goes out and then get submit by leg locks whenever the competition allowed it. In turns those people hate legs locks and claim it to be dirty even more. Yes, it your mind it is dirty and whatever, but just because of it it is absolutely no reason to not train and prepare for it. Personally I've roll with Japanese grapplers whose leg locks are swift and brutal, but never have i get injure from it.

Like everything that aim at the knee, it is always a blown-up issue.
 
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Nuclearlandmine said:
Nakmuay18 seemed to be awfully winded up about just a kick....
But anyway, i don't think it is a move to designed to cause long term damage or dirty otherwise as much as it is a disruption move. And if you put yourself into position to get injure by that kick, then it is as much your faults as the other guy. It is a legal kick don't forget that.Aren't you supposed to know how to defend yourself at all time?

This is like the leg lock arguments, when somebody liken it to being cheap and dirty because you can submit the other guy without passing his guard and higher injury rate. And then those people goes out and then get submit by leg locks whenever the competition allowed it. In turns those people hate legs locks and claim it to be dirty even more. Yes, it your mind it is dirty and whatever, but just because of it it is absolutely no reason to not train and prepare for it. Personally I've roll with Japanese grapplers whose leg locks are swift and brutal, but never have i get injure from it.

Like everything that aim at the knee, it is always a blown-up issue.
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If I wanted your opinion I would have asked Sinister for it.



ZING!
 
thugpoet said:
well if that's what u enjoy doing then right on a head...
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I'm not for it. I'm just pointing out, you can probably be THAT GUY who kicks people in the nuts all the time and not get dinged for it, even if it is retaliation for an oblique kick.
 
sourdiesel209 said:
lol owned

Nuke is Sinisters parrot, :icon_chee:icon_chee
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You're absolutely no better. You're that guy in the crowd that goes "Yeah! That's right!" when someone else is doing the work.


The 'oblique' kick can be very dangerous, you can't dispute that. I don't ever train it hard, neither do my guys, but we do address it and we do use it. It's kind of like TRT to me, just because it's legal doesn't mean its right. but if you're going to be competing on the pro level and those are the rules, you can't complain about it because you know its legal and people will use it. That said, its a very effective technique, I don't call it the oblique kick though, first time hearing that name.
 
NAKMUAY18 said:
If I wanted your opinion I would have asked Sinister for it.



ZING!
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Well played sir.

Am I the only one that took a few pages to realize were not talking about the muscles to the side of teh abz?

My opinion: dirty. As an ammy, there low stakes so no need for knee altering tactics. As a pro, you're messing with someones livelihood. Not cool
 
I'm not surprised it just took 3 pages until someone decide not to discuss techniques anymore and turn to personal attacks to make their "points" instead. It is not a "ZING" as much as you just showed your wits' end.
 
I think it's a greasy move, wouldn't personally do it.
 
The whole point of an oblique kick is to mess a guy's knee up. That's just not something I'm gonna do to my training partners.
 
I have a bad knee (two lateral dislocations) and yet I have never been injured by this kick in training, despite us using it frequently--one of those dislocations was from simply walking down a crowded hallway and stepping wrong, and the other was from a 120lb throwing dummy falling into the side of my knee in judo. I get bruised up and sore from working this kick, certainly, but it has never aggravated my knee. No one else that I train with has ever been injured by it, either. We work this kick with control (just like elbows to the face/head) and we learn and practice how to safely absorb or check the kick. Several of us use this kick in sparring pretty regularly and never have an issue.

Can you drive through someone's knee and cause serious damage with this kick? Sure you can...provided they have just enough weight on that leg (not too much or too little) and the knee isn't bent too far (you know, like it would tend to be when you are in a fighting stance). It's not a terribly high percentage technique for causing that much damage, and it is much better used as a stop-kick or to pick away at their legs (not just the knees) and make them sore. Now, if you can get an angle to hit the side of the knee with it, then it becomes much more likely to cause serious damage because no amount of bend in the knee is going to brace for and absorb the impact. Honestly, you are more likely to get a serious knee injury from a botched takedown attempt or an overzealous heel hook.

tl;dr - If you train with it, it's not that dangerous.
 
It's an important type of kick so no. Maybe throwing it full force is dirty, just like applying a heel hook too fast for the opponent to tap. Similar, to me. But don't just ignore the technique
 
SteelHammer said:
It's an important type of kick so no. Maybe throwing it full force is dirty, just like applying a heel hook too fast for the opponent to tap. Similar, to me. But don't just ignore the technique
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Yeah I agree, intent is everything. Yes I agree you should practice the technique as well as practice its defense but I would never use it in hard sparring or competition unless they made it a point to do it to me first. That's just me though.
 
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