do you consider the oblique kick dirty?

[Nuclearlandmine]

It matters, but if you aim at the knee its gonna mess up the knee, wether there is weight on it or not, unless you are super delicate with it, and then it defeats the purpose of the kick.

Of course, every strike is gonna mess up the body part it is aimed at. The problem is how much it gonna mess up. If you have weight over it then you are gonna damage it really bad next time someone land such kicks. It is like a leg kick, if you have your lead leg light and ready then the leg kick isn't as hurtful as when you have your lead leg heavy.

 

[BRCLRY]

I agree with you, I was just trying to point out the kick has its uses wether your sparring partner is front foot heavy or back foot heavy.

On another thread someone was talking about the round kick, and wether to do it with a step then kick, or to just kick with a pivot on the supporting leg. Someone answered that when using the pivoting method without the step, that the kick lands at a downward angle, using your shin as the hammer, and their leg is the nail, and nailing their leg down to the floor with your round kick.
I wanted to make the point that this isnt necessarily a knee kick, and that you can use it to controll your partners structure, by making him root when he doesnt want to. This kick even works in tip tap sparring, it effectiveness is not limited to hyperextension of the knee in any way.

 

[TheJayRaff]

We train it all the time in Thai but I have never used it in sparring...I either don't care enough for it because I don't know how good it is, or I keep forgetting to use it

 

[a guy]

I'd never use it unless someone used it on me first. And if they did, I'd go apeshit throwing tekken combos of front kicks, round kicks, side kicks, spinning back kicks and punches (Bendo style) at their lead knee. Maybe hit em with a flying scissor to heel hook for good luck.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

I think the bottom line is that it's intention is to cause long term damage to someone. The intension is to damage the knee joint.
If you beat me by leg kicks, 2 weeks later I'll be good to train again. Body shots, maybe 3 weeks, KO probably the same. If you succeed in smashing my knee, 3 months, maybe 6?
And the reason you don't see lots of injures in MT from this kick is because most fighters don't use it. They are professional and dont want to ruin a guys life for one fight. JJ and Anderson silva are the only 2 I can think of that use it and Silva uses it. Think of it this way, if you did actually smash a guys knee would you be happy with your victory???

I've flipped out on a couple of guys that used it in sparring. If anybody uses it against me in a fight I'm leading with my head, accidental knee to the face, groin shots, back of the head, all fair game.

 

[Cannon_6]

I think the bottom line is that it's intention is to cause long term damage to someone. The intension is to damage the knee joint.
If you beat me by leg kicks, 2 weeks later I'll be good to train again. Body shots, maybe 3 weeks, KO probably the same. If you succeed in smashing my knee, 3 months, maybe 6?
And the reason you don't see lots of injures in MT from this kick is because most fighters don't use it. They are professional and dont want to ruin a guys life for one fight. JJ and Anderson silva are the only 2 I can think of that use it and Silva uses it. Think of it this way, if you did actually smash a guys knee would you be happy with your victory???

I've flipped out on a couple of guys that used it in sparring. If anybody uses it against me in a fight I'm leading with my head, accidental knee to the face, groin shots, back of the head, all fair game.

So, absent any real evidence of devastation, we can agree that it is an excellent psychological weapon. It will take some people entirely out of their game, even without injuring them, and make them resort to cheating.

 

[thugpoet]

So, absent any real evidence of devastation, we can agree that it is an excellent psychological weapon. It will take some people entirely out of their game, even without injuring them, and make them resort to cheating.

Also of note, that a legal attack would result on him getting disqualified because he would be using illegal attacks as retaliation

 

[Cannon_6]

Also of note, that a legal attack would result on him getting disqualified because he would be using illegal attacks as retaliation

Win by decision due to point deductions for fouls.
Win by DQ.
Win by TKO.

Damn, is there anything this kick can't do?

 

[NAKMUAY18]

Also of note, that a legal attack would result on him getting disqualified because he would be using illegal attacks as retaliation

Nope, you get a warning for each one. Same with backbreakers, hip tosses, kidney shots, etc.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

Win by decision due to point deductions for fouls.
Win by DQ.
Win by TKO.

Damn, is there anything this kick can't do?

You just said it didnt do any damage, how do you get a TKO if it doesn't do any damage?????
You kind of just undermined your whole argument, good job, saved me some time!

 

[NAKMUAY18]

It is like a leg kick, if you have your lead leg light and ready then the leg kick isn't as hurtful as when you have your lead leg heavy.

If you have to take a leg kick flush, all you weight should be on your lead leg and it should be tense.
If it's light you'll be unbalanced by the kick, so you lose points and be out of position.
The reason some people have a light lead leg is to make it easyer to check, they still try to brace if they have to take one.

 

[Cannon_6]

You just said it didnt do any damage, how do you get a TKO if it doesn't do any damage?????
You kind of just undermined your whole argument, good job, saved me some time!

You can feel free to go back through my posts and quote where I said "it doesn't do any damage", but I'm through toying with you.

 

[SummerStriker]

I think the bottom line is that it's intention is to cause long term damage to someone. The intension is to damage the knee joint.
If you beat me by leg kicks, 2 weeks later I'll be good to train again. Body shots, maybe 3 weeks, KO probably the same. If you succeed in smashing my knee, 3 months, maybe 6?
And the reason you don't see lots of injures in MT from this kick is because most fighters don't use it. They are professional and dont want to ruin a guys life for one fight. JJ and Anderson silva are the only 2 I can think of that use it and Silva uses it. Think of it this way, if you did actually smash a guys knee would you be happy with your victory???

I've flipped out on a couple of guys that used it in sparring. If anybody uses it against me in a fight I'm leading with my head, accidental knee to the face, groin shots, back of the head, all fair game.

I support this. I hope you put him in a coma in this case.

 

[Grok]

I think this is a topic where neither side is going to convert anyone from the other.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

You can feel free to go back through my posts and quote where I said "it doesn't do any damage", but I'm through toying with you.

So your an advocate of a kick that ,in your opinion, doesn't do any damage? Yet still causes (according to your post) wins by, points, DQ's and TKO's?
Perhaps you should go back to shouting at traffic and leave the grown ups to talk.
Theres a good boy.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

I think this is a topic where neither side is going to convert anyone from the other.

True story.
I think people have to be responding what they put in the public domain though. Some kid reads cannons post, thinks he can stomp on somebody's knee and everythings fine.

 

[thugpoet]

Nope, you get a warning for each one. Same with backbreakers, hip tosses, kidney shots, etc.

so if u headbutted me, punched me in the groin and then rabbited punched me do u really think ur gonna get just a warning for each?

 

[Cannon_6]

True story.
I think people have to be responding what they put in the public domain though. Some kid reads cannons post, thinks he can stomp on somebody's knee and everythings fine.

I think most children would recognize that I wrote that "win... win... win..." post for one purpose: to wind you up further.

Too bad you didn't.

...I've flipped out on a couple of guys that used it in sparring. If anybody uses it against me in a fight I'm leading with my head, accidental knee to the face, groin shots, back of the head, all fair game.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[snizzar]

I agree that the kick is a very dirty move. That type of kick is real easy to cause permanent damage and I'm more old school about Martial Arts and find that shit to be dishonorable. I guess it's more acceptable in top level competition, but if I was sparring or even in an ammy competition, I would go ape shit and start looking for flying knees. How do you guys feel about eye gouges? Is that okay too?

People need to utilize empathy in this sort of situation. How would you feel if you were fighting to put food on the table for your family and then some douche in the busch leagues pulls that kick on you and fucks your knee up. Now you can't fight for at least 6 months, probably closer to a year, and now you gotta spend money you don't have on medical care with shitty health insurance if you even have it at all.

I for one am not in that situation, thankfully, but I've met others who have been. If everyone in the world had more empathy it would be a much better place, /rant.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

so if u headbutted me, punched me in the groin and then rabbited punched me do u really think ur gonna get just a warning for each?

All accidents, won't happen again ref.