do you consider the oblique kick dirty?
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I think its dirty and should be illegal. Get someone to push your knee with their hands from the side. Then get them to do it from the front. They're banned in most gyms and competitions over here due to the fact that they're far too dangerous.
There is the kick, and then there is the target you choose. You can oblique kick to the shins, and front of the thigh to stop forward momentum, this is how I use it, and this is how to keep your partner safe when you spar with it. Its a great set up for a front leg round kick to the same leg.
I think aiming it at the knee is dirty, and unsportsman-like conduct, but you can just ban this type of kick to the knee.
I think aiming it at the knee is dirty, and unsportsman-like conduct, but you can just ban this type of kick to the knee.
Please, do go on. How many knee injuries, and of what kind, have you seen that were definitively caused by this particular kick? Considering how excited the topic gets you, you must have plenty of cases to cite.
Or maybe not. If your experience in the matter is, "Well, everybody just KNOWS how dangerous it is," don't bother.
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I can with 100% certainty state that bending your knee the wrong way is bad for it. The same way I know it tying bricks to my feet and jumping in the river will cause me to drown. If you wish to disprove me on either point, feel free.
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I have personally had my knee hurt by that stupid kick. I think it is slow, shitty, usually doesn't do enough damage, and easy to counter. When it does come off, it injures someone.
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The only reason someone get injure from it imo is when they put too much weight in your front foot (which is like 90% of people out there) and thus the knee get damaged when someone oblique kicked them.
It is not the fault of the technique as much as a weakness of typical modern forward-heavy stance.
It is not the fault of the technique as much as a weakness of typical modern forward-heavy stance.
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personally, im waiting to see all the injuries from this kick. youd think thered be a lot from Muay Thai but i dont know of any. all we have is Rampage and his wasnt career ending so where is all the catastrophic damage?
this thread was already done before in the heavies and no one could cite anything, aside from an anecdotal story from a low level or amateur MMA fight.
is a teep to the knee safe? its probably faster than this oblique kick. also, i hate to say it but your story is also anecdotal evidence. where are all the injured pros?
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It is a counter kick. You throw it when the other person is preparing a rear leg kick or punch when their weight shifts forward. You don't just kick someone with it during your own combo.
It literally doesn't matter how you normally hold your weight. If you throw a kick or knee with your rear leg, you can be hit.
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Everything on here is anecdotal. I haven't seen a university study on almost anything. I'm not claiming my answer is anything more than my experience, but maybe their aren't a ton of injured pros because like I said, the kick sucks, and beyond that, their is culture against it from the trainers, so people don't use it much.
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As far as the teep to the knee, I don't like it, but you don't get the driving of the weight behind it like you do with the other. You can literally step through someone's knee with it.
I don't think people should teep the front of the knee, but fighters end up all jacked up with arthritis and replaced joints already. The teep to the knee is just another brick in the wall.
I don't think people should teep the front of the knee, but fighters end up all jacked up with arthritis and replaced joints already. The teep to the knee is just another brick in the wall.
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Not exactly. It is use mostly as one strike to disrupt the other guys' forward momentum, like a teep but this time it is to the knee. Think of it as a sort of knee jab. Yes, it can be use as a counter in various situation like you said. However, what i am getting at here is that a lot of people claim you can get injure easily with this kick and it is dirty. Why though? What i am seeing is that when you are having your weight forward of course the chances of you get injure by this kick is tenfold when your knee is buckled and have to carry all that weight above it. It does matter about how you normally hold your weight, because it looked like it is a noticable weakness. If you shift your weight back, do you think the kick is still that dangerous anymore when your lead foot is light and the majority of your weight is in the backfoot?
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I don't think the kick is that dangerous when you aren't striking, no matter how your weight is set, because the impact takes too long to do its damage. If I am standing on one foot doing nothing else but looking at you, and you hit me with this kick, I will have my weight on the other foot and probably be countering you heavily before the oblique kick does any damage. The kick sucks. You have to come straight forward from striking range and hold pressure for longer than almost any other strike. If you are just snapping it out there, it isn't doing anything.
People get injured because they don't see it coming because it is thrown as a counter during another move. The issue that the kick takes the time it does, body straight forward, means that instead you could have thrown any other counter and left their knee alone.
The move is preferred by people for one reason only - they think it looks easy to learn.
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Eh, it is not ALL that simple. Try to get your weight forward to your lead foot and tell someone to kick you in the knee. Your knee will buckles under the weight above, and increase the chances of more permanent damage. This is a move that aim at the knee, which is a sensitive part of many people and athletes because one wrong move and everything will go to shit. It looks like it doesn't do any harm, but when it does....oh boy.
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if you use teh old school boxing stance, your inmune to oblique kicks...
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direct kicks to the knee (teep, etc) arent exactly the easiest to land though...your knee is hard and is a smaller target than a thigh. easier to glance off of...unless youre a heavyweight i guess.
most people in Muay Thai have a rear weight distribution also so im not sure at what youre getting at.
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It matters, but if you aim at the knee its gonna mess up the knee, wether there is weight on it or not, unless you are super delicate with it, and then it defeats the purpose of the kick.
A. you have to have the right angle on your opponant to use the kick, ya need to line them up right in front of your rear foot, but as you kick, your head moves back out of punching range. I can use this kick to intercept a jab, without getting hit by the jab. The only things moving forward are the hips, and kicking leg.
B. Snapping it out there with your body structure behind it, makes it fast.
C. Even if they are in a rear weighted stance, you can kick the shin, or the front of the thigh to make them plant on their front foot. It has the same effect of stepping on someones foot when your boxing, it plants their front leg and you can enter into combos off that.
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Nah you gotta use a JKD stance, almost the same as old school, but the front foot is turned in a little more to protect the groin, which eliminates the angle for this kick, but opens you up for a round kick to the front leg. As long as your side kick is good, you dont have to worry about the round kick.
