Do you appreciate WMMA?

Do You appreciate WMMA?


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Women's sports are a joke. I'm not saying that women shouldn't be able to compete, but LOL at trying to force/compare Womens sports to Men's sports.


Hard to get exited for WMMA wheb a high school wrestler would destroy a WMMA fighter.
 
They. Are. In. Different. Divisions. They. Are. Not. Comparable. Relativity. Exists. That's. Why. You. Accept. Divisions. In. The. First. Place.



The same reason you watch more than the "optimum" weight division -- Because you believe in the idea of fairness and parity. Of separating fighters based on weight. You think a few pounds is enough to warrant entirely separate divisions that you treat independtly and don't directly judge versus another division, but when you introduce an entirely different gender you somehow can't wrap your head around the idea of doing the same, despite the differences being much more pronounced than a few pounds.

Before your brain finishes processing what I just said there, go back up and read the part I bolded in that previous line once again.



I'm doing the exact opposite of blindly ignoring what you're saying. I'm directly addressing it. And you still can't see your own circular reasoning.
You are still lost and confused.

Again read my original statement carefully "Why would anyone want to watch a less athletic and less powerful version of the sport?"

Only thing you have ever said is "they are in different divisions"

No shit they are, I'm asking you why would you watch it?

lighter weightclasses in men's division offers the balance between power and speed. The lighter the weight class more the speed and vice versa.

In WMMA you get less of both, less power and less speed in relative to men.

I have made this very simple for you.

Why would you want to watch less athletic, less power and less speed of the same sport?
 
and those lighter women's division are the less athletic and less powerful version of the men's in that same class.

Which again takes us back to my original argument.... why would anyone want to watch the less athletic and less powerful version of the sport.

You seem to blindly ignore this each and every single time.

Well this is because you have no logical argument here.

Because there are skilled fighters that are technique wise at the top of MMA. Joanna's sprawl elbows, Ronda's Tachi Waza, Valentina's distance management, Nunes ground game are all at a higher level than a lot of their counterparts. Are women as physically gifted as men? No. But technique doesn't have to be "explosive" or "powerful" to work it has to be crisp smooth and practised which these women are in spades.

You seem to be hung up on women being weaker than men congratulations you feel smarter than all the "feminists" that try to deny this fact but you seem to not have eyes to see the fact that the top women are far better than most of the prelim fighters debuting in the UFC.

Lujiker Riker had a challenge match with a man because all the women in the world weren't a match for her he was a journeyman. She was far better than him in technique and he lost the first round easily.
Then in the second round he realised he could just walk through her shots and KO her. So his massive advantage from being male is the only reason he won. This means women can be really great at fighting.
This doesn't mean women suck because they cannot KO men or they get KO'd by men. It means that when they fight each other they will shine. And Joanna/Claudia and Holly/Valentina prove that as well.
 
You are still lost and confused.

Again read my original statement carefully "Why would anyone want to watch a less athletic and less powerful version of the sport?"

Only thing you have ever said is "they are in different divisions"

No shit they are, I'm asking you why would you watch it?

I literally bolded the answer to this for you, and then told you when you finished reading it to go back and read it again, because I knew somehow you were going to not understand the implication. The same reason you watch more than the optimum weight class is the same reason you would watch the women's divisions. You want to find out who the best in the world are in their respective divisions. It's the reason why multiple belts exist. It's the reason why you have divisional rankings. That reason doesn't suddenly disappear just because you're watching females.

You. Watch. To. See. The. Best. In. The. World. Compete. In. Their. Respective. Divisions.

That's not true of everyone. Some people watch for different reasons. But that's the crux of the UFC or any major sports league.
 
I literally bolded the answer to this for you, and then told you when you finished reading it to go back and read it again, because I knew somehow you were going to not understand the implication. The same reason you watch more than the optimum weight class is the same reason you would watch the women's divisions. You want to find out who the best in the world are in their respective divisions. It's the reason why multiple belts exist. It's the reason why you have divisional rankings. That reason doesn't suddenly disappear just because you're watching females.
I literally answered your silly comment that you bolded.
When did I ever say I believe in the idea of fairness and parity? Stop making stuff up. Everybody knows lighterweight classes doesn't fair a chance against the higher weight classes however in return they offer more speed and dynamic, these weight classes all HAVE it's MERITS AND QUALITY.

WMMA simply offers less of both and less of depth.
 
Because there are skilled fighters that are technique wise at the top of MMA. Joanna's sprawl elbows, Ronda's Tachi Waza, Valentina's distance management, Nunes ground game are all at a higher level than a lot of their counterparts. Are women as physically gifted as men? No. But technique doesn't have to be "explosive" or "powerful" to work it has to be crisp smooth and practised which these women are in spades.

You seem to be hung up on women being weaker than men congratulations you feel smarter than all the "feminists" that try to deny this fact but you seem to not have eyes to see the fact that the top women are far better than most of the prelim fighters debuting in the UFC.

Lujiker Riker had a challenge match with a man because all the women in the world weren't a match for her he was a journeyman. She was far better than him in technique and he lost the first round easily.
Then in the second round he realised he could just walk through her shots and KO her. So his massive advantage from being male is the only reason he won. This means women can be really great at fighting.
This doesn't mean women suck because they cannot KO men or they get KO'd by men. It means that when they fight each other they will shine. And Joanna/Claudia and Holly/Valentina prove that as well.
There are skilled fighters in men's amateur circuits and org outside of UFC as well so that argument goes out the window.

It doesn't change the fact most people in general enjoys watching the highest level of athleticism, power and speed in sports.
 
Well the thing is, if I watch the main card of a UFC PPV, I want to see high level MMA.
I wouldn't say 'hey that's a great idea' if the UFC decided to replace one of the main card fights with a fight between two male youngsters who previously fought on some local show.
But most of the time (not always) that's the level of MMA you get with two women fighting on the main card.
I don't know if it actually was on a main card but just look at the McMann-Eye fight as an example.
This was a fight between #5 vs #7 ranked WBWs or something like that. Two people throwing punches while standing 10 feet away from each other and doing nothing.
A girl with the skills of Paige, going for that school yard headlock takedown and only training MMA before a fight headlines cards.
some of the HW's are terrible technically, I dont hear the outcry from fans about their lack of technical ability?

its just insecurity about watching female fighters, thats the main reasons people dont like the female fighters..... because fights like last night were really technical battles, but still people complain that its boring because they werent going all out to kill each other. its fucking ridiculous the shit the women get. Yet mediocre fighters like Brock are celebrated..... stuff like that makes me kinda ill
 
There are skilled fighters in men's amateur circuits and org outside of UFC as well so that argument goes out the window.

It doesn't change the fact most people in general enjoys watching the highest level of athleticism, power and speed in sports.

No it doesn't. Is Khabib's striking better than Joanna's/Valentina's/Holly's? And does Conor McGergor have better ground game than Ronda,Nunes,Miesha etc?

Oh and both of the men I have listed are about as one dimensional as the women you won't watch. I enjoy skill. Women have skill. You enjoy pure physicality. That's ok. But don't act as if women have no skill.
I gave you all the examples you need to say they have a lot of skill. Don't get answers on why people watch women fight then say it is silly because they don't have the same physicality as men.
 
I love wmma and the UFC womens fights have often been very good.
 
I literally answered your silly comment that you bolded.
When did I ever say I believe in the idea of fairness and parity? Stop making stuff up. Everybody knows lighterweight classes doesn't fair a chance against the higher weight classes however in return they offer more speed and dynamic, these weight classes all HAVE it's MERITS AND QUALITY.

WMMA simply offers less of both and less of depth.

Bro, you have to be trolling me.

You believe in the concept of fairness and parity intuitively because you accept weight divisions and separate title holders. If, you want to argue that you think weight divisions should be abolished, then you have grounds to argue about how you don't believe in fairness and parity as an integral part of the sport. Otherwise, you intuitively accept it.

Want specific merits and differentiating qualities of women's divisions versus men as a whole? Sure. Why not. It's not necessary but sure, let's go there: What makes women's MMA unique and not simply "lesser men's MMA" (which is as ridiculous as saying bantamweight is "lesser featherweight MMA" but whatever, let's roll with it).

• Women are proportionately much stronger in their lower body than their male counterparts. No, women don't have more lower body strength than men, but what they have is more lower body-to-upper-body ratio of strength compared to what men have. This leads to less KO power on one hand, but on the other increases TKOs over KOs, scramble opportunities and lends head, leg and body kicks to be a proportionately more effective weapon. That creates a different style of fight both presently, and in the future as more women evolve the skills to use their legs effectively.

• Because women have weaker upper bodies, they're less prone to try to "muscle out" of submission attempts and have to rely more on technique to escape. This is often aided by "gummy limbs" (women have more muscle elasticity than men).

• Women are generally more flexible than men. Coupled with their lower body strength, this lends itself to a more transition-heavy ground game.

• Women don't grip as hard as men do, which makes wrist control less effective and, once again, lends itself to a more transition-friendly grappling dynamic. Female grappling can be extremely active as a result -- my personal favorite quirk caused by the physical differences between men and women.


You wanted differentiating qualities from male counterparts. Those are just a few differences, and I assure you there are plenty more.
 
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some of the HW's are terrible technically, I dont hear the outcry from fans about their lack of technical ability?
Well I only can speak for myself, personally I also think MMA HW is kind of a joke, so at least I'm consitent.

its just insecurity about watching female fighters
You're reaching hard there.
 
Well I only can speak for myself, personally I also think MMA HW is kind of a joke, so at least I'm consitent.


You're reaching hard there.
yeah I wasnt meaning you, just about the people bitching about it in general.... shouldve been clearer, my bad.

Also no Im not, a lot of the issues people have is the fact they are watching females that both have more talent than them, and are far better technical fighters..... a lot of men cant handle that. Again though, Im not saying you are one of them
 
Bro, you have to be trolling me.

You believe in the concept of fairness and parity intuitively because you accept weight divisions and separate title holders. If, you want to argue that you think weight divisions should be abolished, then you have grounds to argue about how you don't believe in fairness and parity as an integral part of the sport. Otherwise, you intuitively accept it.

Want specific merits and differentiating qualities of women's divisions versus men as a whole? Sure. Why not. It's not necessary but sure, let's go there.

• Women are proportionately much stronger in their lower body than their male counterparts. No, women don't have more lower body strength than men, but what they have is more lower body strength compared to upper body strength than men have. This leads to less KO power on one hand, but on the other increases TKOs, scramble opportunities and lends head, leg and body kicks to be a proportionately more effective weapon. That creates a different style of fight both presently, and in the future as more women evolve the skills to use their legs effectively.

• Because women have weaker upper bodies, they're less prone to try to "muscle out" of submission attempts and have to rely more on technique to escape.

• Women are generally more flexible than men. Coupled with their lower body strength, this lends itself to a more transition-heavy ground game and submission escape potential.

Those are just a few differences, and I assure you there are plenty more. Again, I don't think these arguments even need to be made.
No you used concept of fairness and parity as the backbone reason as to why I should watch WMMA lol This is a far cry from me accepting the fact that fighters are needed to be separated by weightclasses and genders.

The examples you gave were all atrocious, guys in flyweight and bantamweight doesn't tire out and they move twice as much rate as the women's. lol
 
No it doesn't. Is Khabib's striking better than Joanna's/Valentina's/Holly's? And does Conor McGergor have better ground game than Ronda,Nunes,Miesha etc?

Oh and both of the men I have listed are about as one dimensional as the women you won't watch. I enjoy skill. Women have skill. You enjoy pure physicality. That's ok. But don't act as if women have no skill.
I gave you all the examples you need to say they have a lot of skill. Don't get answers on why people watch women fight then say it is silly because they don't have the same physicality as men.
I never said women have no skill nor did I even say I don't watch them.

I only get excited for Ronda Rousey fights and that's about it. Rest are just about as not exciting as boring men's fights.
 
No you used concept of fairness and parity as the backbone reason as to why I should watch WMMA lol This is a far cry from me accepting the fact that fighters are needed to be separated by weightclasses and genders.

The examples you gave were all atrocious, guys in flyweight and bantamweight doesn't tire out and they move twice as much rate as the women's. lol

May I ask how old you are? Serious question. I'm wondering if maybe this conversation is a bit out of your depth.
 
I'd appreciate a lot more if my favorite WMMA fighters actually won fights (looking at you Holm) and if Cyborg didn't take each and every one of her opponents to the blood bank everytime she fought.

But I think we're due for a real good competitive women's scrap. Too many fights in WMMA are one-sided or low level for me to like it as much as I want.
 
Women's sports are a joke. I'm not saying that women shouldn't be able to compete, but LOL at trying to force/compare Womens sports to Men's sports.


Hard to get exited for WMMA wheb a high school wrestler would destroy a WMMA fighter.

You might feel differently once youve been through puberty
 
I never said women have no skill nor did I even say I don't watch them.

I only get excited for Ronda Rousey fights and that's about it. Rest are just about as not exciting as boring men's fights.

I misread one of your earlier posts that stated a lack of talent in women and thought I saw an implied all women suck in it. Small mistake etc but yeah if you want to only see the 0.1% go for it I'll be over here watching whatever is good enough for me.
 
some of the HW's are terrible technically, I dont hear the outcry from fans about their lack of technical ability?

its just insecurity about watching female fighters, thats the main reasons people dont like the female fighters..... because fights like last night were really technical battles, but still people complain that its boring because they werent going all out to kill each other. its fucking ridiculous the shit the women get. Yet mediocre fighters like Brock are celebrated..... stuff like that makes me kinda ill

People complained because it was incredibly boring, which is the same reason why people complain about Dominick Cruz fights.

But let's pretend it's a woman issue.
 
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