Do you actually believe this was unintentional?

[fractal]

Yes... he was kicking. Also his palm was vertically raised, not horizontally. Cormier and others do stick their fingers horizontally, like they want to stab the eyes, which here is not the case. This was an accidental eye poke.

Of course he's not going to keep his palm completely horizontal lol, he's dumb but not that dumb.

You can clearly see his fingers are angled to poke the eyes. If all he wanted to do was prevent Tom from coming forward using his palm, his fingers wouldn't be angled forwards at the eyes.

But anyway if you want to believe that Gane was too naive to understand what he was doing, that's your call.

 

[TrueBias]

Can we apply that all fouls? And should the fight continue after that?

Id say one thing at a time. If a replay determines an eye poke is legit, a point is taken away, intentionally or not (cuz you cant prove it.)

Now if the one that's poked wants to quit, then that's a case by case story....maybe.

 

[fractal]

Oh yes fingers right to the eye unintentionally lol

The problem is that Tom's eyes are in the wrong place. If only they were at the back of his head, this could all be avoided.

 

[AmonTobin]

There are pros that go their entire career without ever committing a foul like this and then there are guys that are notorious for it.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Of course it was intentional. Only a complete imbecile would think it wasn't.

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

Cmon, do you actually believe this was unintentional?

It's harder to stay balanced when your arm is extended out while kicking. Gane knew what he was doing, same thing Jon does. He just didn't expect it would be bad enough for the fight to be stopped.

 

[fractal]

I won't pretend to know that Ciryl Gane was thinking, "ok perfect now I will throw a left kick to get hin to drop his guard to open up an opportunity for my trademark 3 Stooges double eye gouge!!! Muahahaha!!"


But I do see a well established pattern of a fighter who has committed fouls many times who happened to find himself involved in yet another foul.

I won't claim absolute certainty of intent.
But I don't see a man particularly concerned with adhering to the rules.


How many accidents does one person need to have before it becomes their responsibility to be more careful?

I agree. It's an intentional habit he has developed with the aim of preventing his opponent from moving forward freely. He knows it can lead to eye pokes, but he does it because he's not penalized for it.

Forget about the fans, it's just dumb that there are fighters, and even Dana justifying this. They should be calling him out for this.

 

[Gilday]

4:35. And Tom quit because he got rocked by a punch 5 seconds before the eye poke:

Holy shit, Gane landed a punch, it's so over for Tom

 

[fractal]

If you actually look through the best kickboxers in MMA history (Pereira, Adesanya, Silva, etc...) they actually all follow up their round kicks with a good 'ole rake to the eyes!





wait what...

Almost missed the last bit....and I was like wtf are you talking about lol?

 

[Neck&Neck]

When I throw a kick to the body I always try to push off on the guys face

Never seen Jean Claude Van Damme do that even once in all his movies
But he did throw some dirt in a guys eyes in Bloodsport IRC?

 

[Aurelian]

When I throw a kick to the body I always try to push off on the guys face

Never seen Jean Claude Van Damme do that even once in all his movies
But he did throw some dirt in a guys eyes in Bloodsport IRC?

Actually in Muay Thai I'm pretty sure this is taught on some kicking techniques. Not really surprising Gane's whole background is in Muay Thai.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Cmon, do you actually believe this was unintentional?

It's harder to stay balanced when your arm is extended out while kicking. Gane knew what he was doing, same thing Jon does. He just didn't expect it would be bad enough for the fight to be stopped.

Agreed, it was intentional. The kick lowered Tom's arm to defend his body, leaving his head open for a poke. Gane could've landed a punch there if his fist was closed. But it was open.. Because he wanted to take his one free eye poke.

 

[HavokHarmon]

Framing after a strike runs into these issues with mma gloves. I don’t know that it was intentional in that his goal was to poke Tom’s eyes; again he’s just framing and the point of framing is to maintain distance, but I don’t know that he’s trying NOT to poke Tom’s eyes. I’m not really sure there’s a better solution than point deductions or a no contest

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

4:35. And Tom quit because he got rocked by a punch 5 seconds before the eye poke:

No, I'm pretty sure he couldn't continue due to fingers getting jammed in his eye.
What you are doing is projecting your opinion as fact, which it is not.

Regardless, you don't learn much from a 4 minute no contest eye poke unless you already had a narrative you wanted to push.

Framing after a strike runs into these issues with mma gloves. I don’t know that it was intentional in that his goal was to poke Tom’s eyes; again he’s just framing and the point of framing is to maintain distance, but I don’t know that he’s trying NOT to poke Tom’s eyes. I’m not really sure there’s a better solution than point deductions or a no contest

DJ framed identically and never poked anyone in the eyes, it's hard to point to a Gane fight where he hasn't committed an egregious foul.

 

[HCS]

When I throw a kick to the body I always try to push off on the guys face

Never seen Jean Claude Van Damme do that even once in all his movies
But he did throw some dirt in a guys eyes in Bloodsport IRC?

He did the fucking dim mak, man. The Death Touch. Guy is as dirty as they come.

 

[fractal]

From what I understand, fights that end due to illegal moves should end in a DQ. But it seems they just decide randomly if it should be DQ or a NC?

Is there any pattern or logic to this?

If it comes to intention, you can claim anything to be unintentional.

Kick to the nuts - just wanted to tickle his nuts with my toes...
Punch to the back of the head - just want to make sure he was awake...
Eye poke - just wanted to see how far he was...

 

[Squarechoke]

Hard to say but pushing at your opponent with your fingers spread sure does make it look like you don't know what you're doing when striking. Not something one should really have to see from someone of Gane's caliber.

 

[Savage]

Gane was winning in my opinion so hard to see why he would intentionally cause the foul.

 

[Aurelian]

Hard to say but pushing at your opponent with your fingers spread sure does make it look like you don't know what you're doing when striking. Not something one should really have to see from someone of Gane's caliber.

It's taught in Muay Thai to do this on some kicking techniques. Gane's whole background is literally Muay Thai.

It's a learned behavior, the opposite of not knowing what he's doing.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Gane knew what he was doing, same thing Jon does.

Virtually identical