Director's who lost their touch

[Drain Bamage]

donnie darko

4.5 million dollar budget

7.5 million box office
atleast 10 million in home video sales

So it's made $13 million in profit at the bare minimum, and these arent even all possible revenue streams i'm including

 

[Drain Bamage]

M Night Shyamalan definitely deserves a mention. Going from the Sixth Sense to After Earth is a pretty dire drop-off in quality.

I agree but he made Unbreakable and Signs after The Sixth Sense, which were both good.

 

[LEWIS540]

4.5 million dollar budget

7.5 million box office
atleast 10 million in home video sales

So it's made $13 million in profit at the bare minimum, and these arent even all possible revenue streams i'm including

lol

 

[Luminosity]

You seem to be making my original point for me with the latter stuff, the negative reaction to Blade Runner pushed Scott much more towards a commercial mindset for his latter career.

Early Ridley Scott I would say did very clearly have a signature visual style, arguably THE most influential visual style of the last 40+ years(albeit with obvious influence from the likes of Kurbick and Tarkovsky plus classic noir on him) and even in his latter years his film carry some of that, for Alien and the Duelists he was actually doing most of the camera operation I believe. Writing wise I think he could actually have claimed a story credit for both Alien and Blade Runner but chose not to, you listen to People's especially talk about writing and its clear Scott is providing a lot of creative input

Ridley Scott started off in advertising, he was always commercial.

 

[Drain Bamage]

lol

Sup?

 

[ufcfan4]

Coppola is one of the more insane ones to process in the sense that he had four films in a decade- the 70s- that are absolute classics of American cinema. The Godfather, Godfather Part II, The Conversation (underrated gem), and Apocalypse Now are all terrific films.

He made a few good ones in the 80s/90s- I hear Rumble Fish is interesting, I like Godfather Part III. Bram Stoker's Dracula is good.

But those are among the better stuff he's done in the past forty years and none of them come even close to the least among those 4 from the 70s.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Spike Lee is a has-been. @HI SCOTT NEWMAN

 

[PaleMoonlight]

Name one highly acclaimed movie that hasn't turned a profit.

Hugo
Shawshank
Blade Runner 2

You’ll probably go into other revenues like home video and say it made profit.

Movie studios like at least 2.5-3 times the budget to make it worthwhile.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Very few go out on top.

But nobody went off a cliff like Michael Cimino did. Desperate Hours was like some shit a film student made.

Renny Harlin.
Francis Ford Coppola.
John Carpenter.
De Palma.
Shyamalan.

Ridley Scott I guess... He still hits the mark every five movies or so, but his success rate is diminishing.

The list is long and distinguished (so is my Johnson).

Some of the ones that are the most consistent in quality over long periods are actors.
- Mel Gibson
- Sylvester Stallone
- Clint Eastwood

 

[Drain Bamage]

You’ll probably go into other revenues like home video and say it made profit.

Yep. Not only that but TV deals etc. Movies make a lot more money than they do in just their initial theatrical runs.

Sorry, does that not count?

 

[Drain Bamage]

Ridley Scott I guess...

I don't agree with this that Ridley fell off a cliff. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are not that bad. People expected way too much. People thought these movies were going to change their lives or something. They are just movies. And The Martian and All The Money In The World are solid movies as well.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Some of the ones that are the most consistent in quality over long periods are actors.
- Mel Gibson
- Sylvester Stallone
- Clint Eastwood

Clint's recent movies like Million Dollar Baby and Gran Torino are highly overrated imo. I haven't seen Richard Jewell. He peaked early with Outlaw Josey Wales which he stole out from under Phillip Kaufman and used all his prep work when directing, you should read about that. Actually lead to Hollywood enacting whats called The Eastwood Rule, which says an actor cant fire a director and replace him with himself.

 

[ChallengerDeep]

M Night Shyamalan definitely deserves a mention. Going from the Sixth Sense to After Earth is a pretty dire drop-off in quality.

Came here to mention him, though he does have an exec producing credit (or something) on Apple TV's 'Servant' and I like that, but still...

 

[BisexualMMA]

Clint's recent movies like Million Dollar Baby and Gran Torino are highly overrated imo. I haven't seen Richard Jewell. He peaked early with Outlaw Josey Wales.

Unforgiven was 15 years or so after Josey Wales.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Unforgiven was 15 years or so after Josey Wales.

Josey Wales > Unforgiven easily

 

[BisexualMMA]

I don't agree with this that Ridley fell off a cliff. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are not that bad. People expected way too much. People thought these movies were going to change their lives or something. They are just movies. And The Martian and All The Money In The World are solid movies as well.

Prometheus was reasonably bad and Alien Covenant was dog shit. Prometheus looked very good and Covenant looked pretty good.

Ridley is still okay if the script and actors are all very good. But he has completely lost the ability to tell if a script is worth doing, and he can still just completely miss the mark in almost all areas of execution in a frightening manner, like with The Counselor.

I agree that The Martian was good and All the Money in the World was...good enough. But like I said, he hits the mark every five movies or so. Maybe every four or even every 3.5 movies.

But he used to be every other movie at the very worst. More like an 80% success rate.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Prometheus was reasonably bad and Alien Covenant was dog shit. Prometheus looked very good and Covenant looked pretty good.

Ridley is still okay if the script and actors are all very good. But he has completely lost the ability to tell if a script is worth doing, and he can still just completely miss the mark in almost all areas of execution in a frightening manner, like with The Counselor.

I agree that The Martian was good and All the Money in the World was...good enough. But like I said, he hits the mark every five movies or so. Maybe every four or even every 3.5 movies.

But he used to be every other movie at the very worst. More like an 80% success rate.

Think Alien: Covenant looks better than Prometheus personally but that's mostly due to 2017 Alexa digital cameras looking much more filmic than the 2012 RED cameras used on Prometheus. Prometheus has that oversharpened digital look to it. Still a good looking movie though. And he and Dariusz Wolski made those RED's look better than most.

If you look at his filmography Scott was never that consistent. In between every Gladiator and Blade Runner there's a Black Rain or 1492 or GI Jane or Kingdom of Heaven or Robin Hood or The Counselor etc...

 

[BisexualMMA]

Think Alien: Covenant looks better than Prometheus personally but that's mostly due to 2017 Alexa digital cameras looking much more filmic than the 2012 RED cameras used on Prometheus. Prometheus has that oversharpened digital look to it. Still a good looking movie though. And he and Dariusz Wolski made those RED's look better than most.

If you look at his filmography Scott was never that consistent. In between every Gladiator and Blade Runner there's a Black Rain or 1492 or GI Jane or Kingdom of Heaven or Robin Hood or The Counselor etc...

In my opinion, Black Rain was one of the most underrated movies of the decade. It's a hit in my book.

GI Jane is a success as well in my opinion.

I'll just look at it chronologically...

Duellists - Win
Alien - W
Blade Runner - W
Legend - Tie
Someone to Watch Over Me - Can't Remember
Black Rain - W
Thelma & Louise - W
1492 - L
White Squall - T
GI Jane - W
Gladiator - W
Hannibal - T
Blackhawk Down - W

And now he becomes very inconsistent.

 

[PaleMoonlight]

Yep. Not only that but TV deals etc. Movies make a lot more money than they do in just their initial theatrical runs.

Sorry, does that not count?

Not when it doesn’t make 2-3 times it’s budget.

 

[CodeBreaker]

Quentin Tarantino.

How when he's about to win Best Picture this year?