Social Dick Cheney has died

[Anung Un Rama]

Not just the lives but people surviving and coming home mutilated from IUD’s, having TBI’s, and PTSD.

100% and the people who were left there or were forced tto flee with the same. And the ramifications beyond the Iraq are still being felt today.
Completely egregious shit. The man deserves zero whitewashing. This isn't ancient history, we lived through it.

 

[Plissken]

Some people here definitely weren't paying attention during the Bush administration, even Republicans back then thought he was an evil/creepy guy, just one that wasn't on the other side (openly at least). It was like when Bolton was in the first Trump admin and people on the right still didn't like him.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Conservatives were all about their wars in the early 2000s. And god forbid someone spoke out against the war. You were branded as anti American and not a supporter of the troops.
Plenty of liberal politicians voted for the war, so they need to own that. But let’s not get it twisted, the left as a collective, as in your average citizen from the left, was against the war. Conservatives now want to say “Fuck Cheney”, but that’s was their guy. Own it.

It was a weird time.

I mean, other countries that weren't subject to the propaganda were ridiculed. Whereas any stupid puppet shithole country that went along with the neocon bullshit were applauded.

The politicians were deriding France, Germany etc while saying how awesome Albania was.

 

[Area809]

It was a weird time.

I mean, other countries that weren't subject to the propaganda were ridiculed. Whereas any stupid puppet shithole country that went along with the neocon bullshit were applauded.

The politicians were deriding France, Germany etc while saying how awesome Albania was.

Weird time indeed. I remember when conservatives cancelled the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against Bush in 2003. Now they pretend to be against cancel culture.

 

[fingercuffs]

How was he about women and women of colour?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Conservatives’s (MAGA) perception of Chaney changed when he and his daughter didn’t go along with Trump. Same thing that happened to McCain. It had nothing to do with them realizing anything. I guarantee you that is Chaney has endorsed Trump, MAGA would’ve been in mourning today.

Lmao at this projection. trump literally called out Jen bush and the military industrial complex to their face. And that was effective, because the MAGa base hates the bushes, Cheney, etc. Thatbis why establishment republicans hate Trump, including the cheneys, Koch’s, murdochs, etc.

The only perception that changed was the democrats because of their TDS, then glorified dick Cheney and Liz.

That is why MSNBC today was in complete morning. Why Kamala Harris campaign with Liz and dick. And it was touted as the most coveted endorsement.

The fact is the left is now the party of the Liz and Rick cheney’s of the world, including killing the bush clan’s political relevance, where as the democrats are all to happy to prop them up for political gain.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Weird time indeed. I remember when conservatives cancelled the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against Bush in 2003. Now they pretend to be against cancel culture.

Yeah, was saying the other day that in general International Relations has a much higher level of brainwashing and most everyone in general is extremely naive around just how poor the ethics of it are. We see how some news stations operate where Democrats can do little wrong, and others how Republicans can do little wrong. You wind up with a good chunk of the population living in alternate realities.

But the news stations are very good at painting external parties as the enemies du jour when the asset owning class wants them to. Bush's approval rating basically hit north of 70% when the bullshit war started which tells you just how effective propaganda is, especially since folks in traditional ally countries in Western Europe, Canada, Oceana etc in general could much easily see what was truly going on.

You can also see the exact same playbook being used of "never letting a tragedy go to waste:

1) pretend history started the day of the tragedy and there is no context required at all,
2) turn it into reductionist story of a battle of good versus evil,
3) take the opportunity to do war crimes abroad and reduce other people's rights domestically around privacy etc - things you always wanted to do given the free pass it provides as dissenters are easily accused of being "unpatriotic"
4) milk the tax payer and funnel money upwards though corrupt dealmaking and contracts

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Weird time indeed. I remember when conservatives cancelled the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against Bush in 2003. Now they pretend to be against cancel culture.

And would add, the war mongers of today have been very quick to be accepting of excesses against Palestinian civilians (or perhaps more accurately not deeming excesses) because they "voted for Hamas".

Yet, could you imagine if during Bush's second term that they would justify any sort of scenario where attacks against the population, bombing of hospitals, starvation etc would be ok since they "voted for Bush".

The amount of brain rot and massive double standards is other-worldly in these instances.

 

[esotamoc]

How was he about women and women of colour?

why is that important?

 

[Area809]

Yeah, was saying the other day that in general International Relations has a much higher level of brainwashing and most everyone in general is extremely naive around just how poor the ethics of it are. We see how some news stations operate where Democrats can do little wrong, and others how Republicans can do little wrong. You wind up with a good chunk of the population living in alternate realities.

But the news stations are very good at painting external parties as the enemies du jour when the asset owning class wants them to. Bush's approval rating basically hit north of 70% when the bullshit war started which tells you just how effective propaganda is, especially since folks in traditional ally countries in Western Europe, Canada, Oceana etc in general could much easily see what was truly going on.

You can also see the exact same playbook being used of "never letting a tragedy go to waste:

1) pretend history started the day of the tragedy and there is no context required at all,
2) turn it into reductionist story of a battle of good versus evil,
3) take the opportunity to do war crimes abroad and reduce other people's rights domestically around privacy etc - things you always wanted to do given the free pass it provides as dissenters are easily accused of being "unpatriotic"
4) milk the tax payer and funnel money upwards though corrupt dealmaking and contracts

My man, I’d be lying to you if I said I wasn’t gung-ho right after 9/11. That is the reason I joined the service after all. But by April of 2003, as I was standing post in An Nasiriyah, I was asking, “what the fuck are we doing here?”

 

[HereticBD]

I’m 42, deployed in 2003 and 2005.

Of course in 2008 people were mostly war fatigued by then. My original comment specifically referenced the early 2000s. But let’s not forget, those idiots were reelected in 2004.

Of course they were. War was popular then, considering the biggest attack on American soil happened a mere three years earlier. Bush even retained the House in the midterms. Why? Because the majority of the population in general was on board with his revenge tour. This whole "It was only that side's fault" is dishonest revisionist history. The Iraq war initially had like a 70% approval from the public.

Don't rewrite history. All that shit was on everyone, but a select few. To say that Cheney was beloved on the right, until he didn't support Trump is just false. He was long in the trash bin of history by then, which made it very weird that the friggin' Democrats embraced him, thinking it would help them with the right.

Spoiler: It didn't.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

My man, I’d be lying to you if I said I wasn’t gung-ho right after 9/11. That is the reason I joined the service after all. But by April of 2003, as I was standing post in An Nasiriyah, I was asking, “what the fuck are we doing here?”

I get it. This stuff "works". What's amazing though is after the fact how limp-wristed the population became and completely forgiving of what happened.

Nobody wanted any serious effort to make those responsible for the farce punished. To have the President impeached, or Cheney punished in some way.

I mean, it should have been embarrassing for Democrats to view Cheney as anything but a poison, yet seemed to want to brag about him.

When you step back and look at the whole picture, you really do get to see the facade of true choice of American politics. And more for what it is, good cop / bad cop, controlled opposition theatre that continuously takes place in order to continuously funnel wealth upwards and maintain sufficient social control in light of the exorbitant continuing gap in wealth equality.

 

[HereticBD]

I get it. This stuff "works". What's amazing though is after the fact how limp-wristed the population became and completely forgiving of what happened.

Nobody wanted any serious effort to make those responsible for the farce punished. To have the President impeached, or Cheney punished in some way.

No, they did. There was nothing they could do about it, though. Bush and Cheney only agreed to be grilled on the matter, if they both had immunity and were always in the same room or some shit. That wasn't a popular move, but what could the people do? Start a revolution? Yeah, that ain't happening.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Really proved he is a good person when he rallied with his daughter to take on Trump. Uniting with Pelosi to save democracy world wide. RIP to a hero

Cause of death was pneumonia and cardiac disease

Now, he will finally get the justice he deserves.

Great news hearing that this devil is dead, no one gets away with their crimes.

 

[Area809]

I get it. This stuff "works". What's amazing though is after the fact how limp-wristed the population became and completely forgiving of what happened.

Nobody wanted any serious effort to make those responsible for the farce punished. To have the President impeached, or Cheney punished in some way.

I mean, it should have been embarrassing for Democrats to view Cheney as anything but a poison, yet seemed to want to brag about him.

When you step back and look at the whole picture, you really do get to see the facade of true choice of American politics. And more for what it is, good cop / bad cop, controlled opposition theatre that continuously takes place in order to continuously funnel wealth upwards and maintain sufficient social control in light of the exorbitant continuing gap in wealth equality.

You always need a bad guy in politics. Back in the day, the bad guy was Russia/communism/wall street/etc. Now in today’s political climate, politicians are telling people that the bad guy is their neighbor/coworker/family members/etc. It’s as dangerous as it’s been in my lifetime.

 

[Zazen]

Just for clarification when people say RIP the P stands for piss right?

 

[Area809]

Of course they were. War was popular then, considering the biggest attack on American soil happened a mere three years earlier. Bush even retained the House in the midterms. Why? Because the majority of the population in general was on board with his revenge tour. This whole "It was only that side's fault" is dishonest revisionist history. The Iraq war initially had like a 70% approval from the public.

Don't rewrite history. All that shit was on everyone, but a select few. To say that Cheney was beloved on the right, until he didn't support Trump is just false. He was long in the trash bin of history by then, which made it very weird that the friggin' Democrats embraced him, thinking it would help them with the right.

Spoiler: It didn't.

Let’s break down that 70% approval rating, because it was approx 90% righty and approx 50% lefty in 2003. By 2004, the approval was 75% from the right, while in contrast it was 30% from the left. So no, we weren’t all one big war mongering family as you want to paint it. Talk about rewriting history. You can look up these figures.

 

[HereticBD]

Let’s break down that 70% approval rating, because it was approx 90% righty and approx 50% lefty in 2003. By 2004, the approval was 75% from the right, while in contrast it was 30% from the left. So no, we weren’t all one big war mongering family as you want to paint it. Talk about rewriting history. You can look up these figures.

Yes, the Republican administration had more support from Republicans. Shocker. Don't act like 50% of Democrats is some small number, though. Both numbers fell in unison, and the administration itself was completely worthless to both sides in the end.

Your rewriting of history, starts with saying that Cheney was loved by the right until Trump. Can you at least admit that that was bullshit?

 

[Osculater]

Conservatives were all about their wars in the early 2000s. And god forbid someone spoke out against the war. You were branded as anti American and not a supporter of the troops.
Plenty of liberal politicians voted for the war, so they need to own that. But let’s not get it twisted, the left as a collective, as in your average citizen from the left, was against the war. Conservatives now want to say “Fuck Cheney”, but that’s was their guy. Own it.

I remember Fox News pushing for the Iraq War fvcking hard as fvck

 

[cincymma79]

RIP
Iraq War and Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs)
False intelligence: Cheney was a key architect and advocate of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. He repeatedly claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and ties to al-Qaeda , both of which were later found to be false.
Critics say: Cheney helped manipulate intelligence to justify the war.
Impact: The war led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, destabilized the region, and is now widely viewed as one of the most significant U.S. foreign policy failures.

you forgot kamala harris supporter

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/dick-cheney-kamala-harris-president