International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[Rational Poster]

Thread aged well....

Yeah I'm not sure why people think Maduro was the obstacle stopping oil companies from investing heavily into Venezuela.

They have mostly heavy and extra heavy crude which is less appealing, it's massively under developed, and there's no urgent need.

Everything in America is expensive as fuck, but gas is cheap thanks to our relationship with Canada. More oil on the market will just make it cost less and oil companies don't actually want that.

If anything they want to keep it where it is in the ground for the future because extracting, refining, transporting and storing it all is very expensive. The earth is the best oil silo.

 

[AmonTobin]

It’s crazy to me that Chevron CEO Mike Wirth knew about the kidnapping plans before the operation was even under way and that US congress found out about it afterward, like the rest of us. Not surprising, but still completely crazy shit.

 

[koquerelle]

Yeah I'm not sure why people think Maduro was the obstacle stopping oil companies from investing heavily into Venezuela.

They have mostly heavy and extra heavy crude which is less appealing, it's massively under developed, and there's no urgent need.

Everything in America is expensive as fuck, but gas is cheap thanks to our relationship with Canada. More oil on the market will just make it cost less and oil companies don't actually want that.

If anything they want to keep it where it is in the ground for the future because extracting, refining, transporting and storing it all is very expensive. The earth is the best oil silo.

Trump probably thought he was taking control of the Panama canal.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Pretty sure I saw this exact same statement on Reddit.

Have you noticed reddit rightnow has totally become a far left echo chamber in Turbo mode?

I mean the site has always been leaning left but right now the talking points there is just extreme.

Its not just a leftist slant it has now become blatantly anti-west.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Yes of course. Definitely do not want a long protracted war or civil war internally.

Hopefully, they can have a peaceful transition and work toward building their country up. The economic situation can't get any worse than it is now.

But on a geopolitical level, the US had no choice but to stop US enemies controlling the largest oil reserves in the world right in our backyard.

What the opponents of this wanted is the US doing nothing as China and Russia gain a major foothold in Venezuela and have an operating hub there. With Chinese companies and infrastructure running Venezuela and siphoning all their oil.

On top of Venezuela annexing Guyana's oil.

Anybody that thinks this is ok is a retard and has zero understanding of geopolitics and how the world works.



Many uninformed people are under this retarded impression that we just go into the country and just wholesale steal all of a countries oil. That's not what happens.

Oil companies go into a country and build the infrastructure and invest the money to extract the oil. They get a cut of the eventual profits.

Now are oil companies super greedy and take a large portion of the cut? Of course. The oil companies are greedy AF.

But it could also greatly help the host country.

For example, Saudi Arabia had this exact same situation with Western oil companies, but they built up their oil industry and the Royal Family eventually bought out all the Western oil companies.

Venezuela had this situation with US oil companies and the citizens were among the richest in Latin America.

Yeah I heard Venezuala has a thriving oil based economy and even their agriculture is comming along until Chuuby Chaves went full retard.

 

[deviake]

What do you know about their elections? I was following multiple election observers that were independent journalists with boots on the ground during that last election.

They have:

- ID Verification
- Thumb Print Verification
- Voting Machines that are not connected to the Internet
- Paper Ballot Receipts
- Paper Ballots counted and matched to electrical votes
- Public Vote Tallying
- Vote Auditing

Meanwhile in the last US election they sent my ballot to a prior residence, and when I went into vote in person not only was I not required to show ID, it was ILLEGAL for me to show ID to prove who I was. They also tried to make it illegal to even question election results in the US. Meanwhile people just stated this election was rigged with ZERO evidence.

The reality is their last election was like the election Trump lost to Biden, but claimed he won. It was a damn near 50/50 split, so the people that lost thought they were cheated.

If you are confidently claiming their election was rigged you are in the camp of the MAGA morons that stormed the capitol on Jan 6.

Might wanna type four words into a search engine before embarrassing yourself. Just because your dude Trump is being imperialist and slaughtering the Palestinians you claim to care about (who could have foreseen this?? Gasp!) among other things doesn't mean Maduro/that government is good. Saddam sucked too and is also didn't support invading Iraq either

Hell, here's a leftist in Argentina:



Pretty sure his channel name is from Maduro sneaking an empanada bite when he thought the cameras were off

 

[Snubnoze707]

Might wanna type four words into a search engine before embarrassing yourself. Just because your dude Trump is being imperialist and slaughtering the Palestinians you claim to care about (who could have foreseen this?? Gasp!) among other things doesn't mean Maduro/that government is good. Saddam sucked too and is also didn't support invading Iraq either

Trump isn't "My boy" perhaps you've missed all of my "Fuck Trump" statements? I have no political affiliation or allegiance to any political figure or party.

You haven't tried to counter any of my facts about how they hold elections. I never claimed "Maduro = Good" I just claimed there is no evidence that he cheated that election. Do you claim that Trump rigged the last election? You can still win an elections as a piece of shit (Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump are all NOT good people)......

A search engine will just give you mainstream articles with a NeoCon agenda slant and no details to back up the claims. Literally everyone just started claiming that election was stolen by Maduro with no evidence. You haven't looked into this as much as I have, I can assure you.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

It’s crazy to me that Chevron CEO Mike Wirth knew about the kidnapping plans before the operation was even under way and that US congress found out about it afterward, like the rest of us. Not surprising, but still completely crazy shit.

US is a corporatocracy so not surprising at all.

 

[deviake]

Trump isn't "My boy" perhaps you've missed all of my "Fuck Trump" statements? I have no political affiliation or allegiance to any political figure or party.

You haven't tried to counter any of my facts about how they hold elections. I never claimed "Maduro = Good" I just claimed there is no evidence that he cheated that election. Do you claim that Trump rigged the last election? You can still win an elections as a piece of shit (Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump are all NOT good people)......

A search engine will just give you mainstream articles with a NeoCon agenda slant and no details to back up the claims. Literally everyone just started claiming that election was stolen by Maduro with no evidence. You haven't looked into this as much as I have, I can assure you.

I haven't but I've listened to people who have and russia also has elections, don't think that matters much, I'll look into it more later.

Regardless, Voting for the guy who took hundreds of millions of dollars from Israel and sucked their dicks his first term and thinking he'd actually end the genocide disqualified ypu from calling someone else stupid. Regardless, good on you for not being a minion.

I'm just not gonna buy certain things just because western countries are wildly imperialist

 

[deviake]

Trump isn't "My boy" perhaps you've missed all of my "Fuck Trump" statements? I have no political affiliation or allegiance to any political figure or party.

You haven't tried to counter any of my facts about how they hold elections. I never claimed "Maduro = Good" I just claimed there is no evidence that he cheated that election. Do you claim that Trump rigged the last election? You can still win an elections as a piece of shit (Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump are all NOT good people)......

A search engine will just give you mainstream articles with a NeoCon agenda slant and no details to back up the claims. Literally everyone just started claiming that election was stolen by Maduro with no evidence. You haven't looked into this as much as I have, I can assure you.

Oh as far as Trump rigging it, I definitely consider the possibility but know of no concrete proof so I don't have a strong opinion

 

[Scott Stapp]

Yeah I'm not sure why people think Maduro was the obstacle stopping oil companies from investing heavily into Venezuela.

They have mostly heavy and extra heavy crude which is less appealing, it's massively under developed, and there's no urgent need.

Everything in America is expensive as fuck, but gas is cheap thanks to our relationship with Canada. More oil on the market will just make it cost less and oil companies don't actually want that.

If anything they want to keep it where it is in the ground for the future because extracting, refining, transporting and storing it all is very expensive. The earth is the best oil silo.

$58/bbl oil is barely enough to motivate them to drill at all, much less in a very dangerous environment like Venezuela.

 

[deviake]

@Snubnoze707

Are you sure you're not thinking of their elections when Chavez was president? I remember hearing their elections were very secure and transparent then despite claims otherwise but that changed with Maduro. I haven't looked deeply into it but that's going off memory

 

[Snubnoze707]

I haven't but I've listened to people who have and russia also has elections, don't think that matters much, I'll look into it more later.

Regardless, Voting for the guy who took hundreds of millions of dollars from Israel and sucked their dicks his first term and thinking he'd actually end the genocide disqualified ypu from calling someone else stupid. Regardless, good on you for not being a minion.

I'm just not gonna buy certain things just because western countries are wildly imperialist

My vote in the last election was irrelevant, my district goes 90% towards Democrats every single time. I didn't go into the booth with a plan to vote for Trump, I was going to write in "Paul Baloff" but looking around at the blue haired freaks in the room with me, literally there was multiple women with blue hair, coupled with the fact that I had watched my dad die early that year and I know he would had put it down for Trump I went that route. It was an inconsequential throw away vote. Say what you want, Trump did slow down the slaughter in Gaza at least. Something Biden never attempted to do.

 

[SurferH2O]

It’s crazy to me that Chevron CEO Mike Wirth knew about the kidnapping plans before the operation was even under way and that US congress found out about it afterward, like the rest of us. Not surprising, but still completely crazy shit.

Trump likely checked in to see if these guys would return and invest, which makes sense.

Democrats have a nasty habit of leaking intelligence on purpose for political gain. I get the CIC does not want to see our guys slaughtered and a Commie Dictator and China emboldened.

 

[Snubnoze707]

@Snubnoze707

Are you sure you're not thinking of their elections when Chavez was president? I remember hearing their elections were very secure and transparent then despite claims otherwise but that changed with Maduro. I haven't looked deeply into it but that's going off memory

Nope, I was definitely following a few investigative journalists in this last election cycle on twitter that were posting video, visiting polling sites, and breaking down the process. They were non-citizens of Venezuela with no party bias. I'd try and pull it up by I'm not good at finding old shit on Twitter.

Does that mean that there was absolutely zero fraud? Can't ever say that for sure, no way of knowing, but that's the case for our elections as well. I just remember being shocked watching it unfold because like you I was told their elections are a total scam and I'm like, wait, they have more fail safes than we do.

 

[Absolut]

Oops

 

[Snubnoze707]

Oops

Yep, this has been known if you follow the right sources.

As soon as they invented this new term "Narco Terrorist" the red flags were waving high.

 

[Absolut]

Yep, this has been known if you follow the right sources.

As soon as they invented this new term "Narco Terrorist" the red flags were waving high.

Yes. I was just wondering if they were going to press forward with it. Such a dumb maneuver.

 

[Rod1]

Something being analogous is not a 0% or 100% proposition, shit for brains. An analogy is comparing similar things/situations to highlight a particular point or idea, dumbass.
You can debate how similar or dissimilar you THINK the two things I compared were, but it's still a fucking analogy. You could think what I said was only 20% similar while I could think it was 80%---but either way, that doesn't make it not an analogy. It makes you an idiot, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is an analogy.
I hope to god English isn't your native tongue.

No, analogy is comparing two proportional things in order to express an abstract concept in terms the other person may understand you fucking moron. Analogy isn't even an english word its greek

1+ 1 = 2

I + I = II


All these three are analogies you can't say stupid shit like


1 + 1 = 3 even though "its close enough" because the proportion is lost.

You see how you have to keep moving the goalposts and moving past the facts in order to justify something that can't be justified?
This isn't complicated. This was an illegal act. No country should unilaterally go into another country and just take out their leader.
Key word here for the slow people is: UNILATERALLY.
Even in your Kosovo example, the US didn't just go in alone and act.
Add to that, the world in 1998 vs 2026 are worlds apart.

"Its ok to break the law as long as you do it in a group"

Maduro isn't considered legitimate president by a crapload of nations, so it wasn't removing a "head of State" it was more akin to taking down a local warlord for all those nations

It's not even just about this action--this is an America that's been in "nation building" wars for the past few decades, an America that ignores or funds the heinous acts of leaders in other countries, this act is being carried out by a President that said he was "America first"/party of law and order, and has a shit ton of his own scandals to deal with.
We're also in a world where Russia and Ukraine is a hot issue...as well as China and Taiwan. How greater powers act towards weaker ones is more important now than ever because it sets the stage of what is and isn't acceptable for the future.
None of this is being done for some greater moral good. And these sort of actions often have long lasting effects that we'll get a taste of 20 years down the road.

The fuck are you on? Russia has been trying to conquer Ukraine and murder its leadership since 2022 that ship set sail and Xi Jinping made a New Year Statement calling unification as "inevitable".

These nations don't give a fuck about international law.

The bottom line here is if you think that this was the right action by the US, then good for you, think that. You are free to be a hypocrite. You are free to not care about the law. And you are free to be a retard.
But don't try to feed us some bullshit about the law not actually mattering, that this was done with good intentions, or any other "whataboutisms" from the past.

"You are free to be an hypocrite" says the guy that says its ok for NATO to violate international law because its "consensus" (its not).

Also don't you think the precedent of "You can commit genocide and other crimes against humanity as long as you get one of the big 5 to veto any UN resolution" is kind of worse than getting Maduro?

 

[flektarn]

It’s crazy to me that Chevron CEO Mike Wirth knew about the kidnapping plans before the operation was even under way and that US congress found out about it afterward, like the rest of us. Not surprising, but still completely crazy shit.

Not going to leak the plan and jeopardize the soldiers. Certainly a crazy world that you can't trust your own countrymen because some of them would choose party politics over country.