International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

Yea but he also mentioned China, Russia and Iran "to your FACE." And also Chinese access to oil.

Why are you pretending China is not a gigantic factor here? In fact, it's the primary reason.
So were they a "gigantic factor" when we were actively trying to do this 20 years ago?

Sorry, the China Scare doesn't work on me. I'm not worried about China, I'm concerned with my own government.
 
Fuck China.



They tried to invade Vietnam and Laos including aerial bombardment. They bombed Cambodia and supported the Khmer Rouge.

Now they're constrained by the US and it's allies in the Pacific. If it wasn't for US support, they'd be a lot more aggressive.



LMAO@ you defending a brutal dictator and China.



BS. The primary culprit of Venezuela's collapse was gross government mismanagement, extensive corruption, over reliance on oil, and horrible macroeconomic policies by Chavez and Maduro.

Every economist says so.



Bullshit. Venezuela was one of our greatest allies in Latin America for literally decades until Hugo Chavez came into power. Which coincided with the Venezuelan population being amongst the richest on the continent.

That's the reason Venezuela has stocks of F-16 fighter jets. A relic of the time when we used to be good allies.

We didn't turn Venezuela against us. It was Hugo Chavez that turned their backs against the US.
Fuck you, bitch.

The USA's heinous behavior makes China look as the perfect, most reliable economic partner here in Latin America, while making you look like shit.
The next puppet dictator instaled by the USA will be killed, and we will not stop trading with China.

And we will do this without using the dollar.
 
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We’re getting out of the nation-building business, and instead focusing on creating stability in the world.

We will stop racing to topple foreign — and you understand this, foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with.

Regime change in Iraq, regime change in Libya, regime change in Syria, and every other globalist disaster for half a century.
 
Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay (and Spain) have all CONDEMNED the US actions in Venezuela, but somehow this is going to bring them closer to us and away from China.

Fucking LOL!

The only people truly happy with this are Venezuelans, which of course makes complete sense. BUT, they will only be happy with it for so long until they realize this isn't going to do shit for their day to day life and America is now raping the Country of its natural resources at a hugely inflated price moving forward.

And the bottom line is someone is going to do it, might as well be America, is generally true, I will admit that. But to act as if we are doing this to help Native Venezuelans, or to stop cocaine coming into the US, is the dumbest shit ive heard in a long, long time.
 
The only people truly happy with this are Venezuelans, which of course makes complete sense. BUT, they will only be happy with it for so long until they realize this isn't going to do shit for their day to day life and America is now raping the Country of its natural resources at a hugely inflated price moving forward.

And the bottom line is someone is going to do it, might as well be America, is generally true, I will admit that. But to act as if we are doing this to help Native Venezuelans, or to stop cocaine coming into the US, is the dumbest shit ive heard in a long, long time.

Reality is the US probably isn't even going to extract any resources, there's not a plan for any of it. Appealing to oil companies after capturing Maduro is not a good plan. Venezuela already imports well over half their food and has been experiencing intermittent famines for years.

We've taken responsibility for tens of millions of Venezuelan lives while at the very same time increasing healthcare costs for a hundred million Americans on pretty much the same day. America First, lmao.

The idea that the Trump administration is somehow equipped to deal with this decades long project is fucking retarded. Trump will be dead long before we see a drop of Venezuelan crude in an American refinery. These people really just don't give a shit.
 
Reality is the US probably isn't even going to extract any resources, there's not a plan for any of it. Appealing to oil companies after capturing Maduro is not a good plan. Venezuela already imports well over half their food and has been experiencing intermittent famines for years.

We've taken responsibility for tens of millions of Venezuelan lives while at the very same time increasing healthcare costs for a hundred million Americans on pretty much the same day. America First, lmao.

The idea that the Trump administration is somehow equipped to deal with this decades long project is fucking retarded. Trump will be dead long before we see a drop of Venezuelan crude in an American refinery. These people really just don't give a shit.

You think its THAT bad? I have no idea how the oil industry works. But seeing videos of Rubio and the bald headed freak answer questions on Venezuela left me having zero hope at all for this being a positive short term or long term for anyone if we are being honest.

Just look at Rubio wiggle around like a worm at questions on who is going to run Venezuela, its pathetic.

 
The only people truly happy with this are Venezuelans, which of course makes complete sense. BUT, they will only be happy with it for so long until they realize this isn't going to do shit for their day to day life and America is now raping the Country of its natural resources at a hugely inflated price moving forward.

And the bottom line is someone is going to do it, might as well be America, is generally true, I will admit that. But to act as if we are doing this to help Native Venezuelans, or to stop cocaine coming into the US, is the dumbest shit ive heard in a long, long time.

Most of the "happy" Venezuelans are immigrants. It reminds me of the Cubans in South Florida. In fact this situation is very similar to Cuba. We are fine with dictators so long as they give us austerity, which is why you'll NEVER hear the rightists or capitalism Stans talk about how brutal Bautista or Pinochet were. Bautista oversaw a racially segregated Cuba that treated black people so poorly it would have made Andrew Johnson blush, and let the mob run rampant in Havana with political influence.

Sure there are anti-Maduro Venezuelans in-Country, but the notion that he doesnt have support of at least half the population or that Venezuelas inside the Country are willing to kiss the boots of the US Military is an asinine contention. So they'll just get either a puppet President who will be an ineffective shill to US corporations, or they'll get a brutal dictator who these same anti-Maduro mouthpieces won't say one word about just as they say nothing about the heinous actions of Bukele and Miliel towards their own people already. We will forgive their asinine laws that demonstrate their willingness to exercise power over their own people at the will of the US, we will forgive their changing of their election rules so they can cling to power. We will celebrate as they remove elected officials and ban opposition, because they're alright by us.
 
Most of the "happy" Venezuelans are immigrants. It reminds me of the Cubans in South Florida. In fact this situation is very similar to Cuba. We are fine with dictators so long as they give us austerity, which is why you'll NEVER hear the rightists or capitalism Stans talk about how brutal Bautista or Pinochet were. Bautista oversaw a racially segregated Cuba that treated black people so poorly it would have made Andrew Johnson blush, and let the mob run rampant in Havana with political influence.

Sure there are anti-Maduro Venezuelans in-Country, but the notion that he doesnt have support of at least half the population or that Venezuelas inside the Country are willing to kiss the boots of the US Military is an asinine contention. So they'll just get either a puppet President who will be an ineffective shill to US corporations, or they'll get a brutal dictator who these same anti-Maduro mouthpieces won't say one word about just as they say nothing about the heinous actions of Bukele and Miliel towards their own people already. We will forgive their asinine laws that demonstrate their willingness to exercise power over their own people at the will of the US, we will forgive their changing of their election rules so they can cling to power. We will celebrate as they remove elected officials and ban opposition, because they're alright by us.

"Elected?" lol...

 
We haven't put a puppet there. It's the VP in charge ATM.



Of course China is not going to pre-emptively attack. But they have spy bases in Venezuela and Cuba already. Letting Venezuela go completely to China is a major security threat.



We're not the ones trying to annex the entire South China Sea with their bullshit man made islands. We're not ramming boats into Filipino fishing boats right off their coast. We're not trying to annex land from India at their border. We're not threatening to take Taiwan and flying fighter jets over their airspace constantly.



Pretty sure Machado is going to run in the elections my guy. She's going there very soon.



LMAO @ all you people defending a brutal dictator who we just took without even killing him.

Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE IT that he's gone.

Nobody cares that Maduro is gone, what they care about is why the US is in Venezuela.

Why is Donald the Red threatening other sovereign countries, allied territories, and allied nations?

If it boils down to "Maduro Bad" for you then you are very, very naive.
 
You think its THAT bad? I have no idea how the oil industry works. But seeing videos of Rubio and the bald headed freak answer questions on Venezuela left me having zero hope at all for this being a positive short term or long term for anyone if we are being honest.

Just look at Rubio wiggle around like a worm at questions on who is going to run Venezuela, its pathetic.



Their crude oil extraction capacity prior to any of the recent harassment from the Trump regime was already 20% or less of their former capacity from just 20 years ago. There's not some button in Venezuela to push and we just get all the oil. It takes 3-5 years or more to bring a well online in perfect conditions. The Venezuelan mountains and jungles after decades of internal neglect and external sanctions are not perfect conditions even if there is no fighting going on at all. And more technically, Venezuelan crude is just not the most ideal form of it, it's heavy and extra heavy crude, which we do have capability to refine thanks to our partnership with Canada and working with their tar sands. It just makes it less attractive. We also don't really need it, at least not short term. The US is already a net exporter with just the reserves and processing we do in partnership with Canada.

This is also assuming you can even find a wealthy enough buyer for all of this mess in the American private sector. The last time we invested heavily in Venezuela lots of companies took big hits from the collapse and that really wasn't very long ago.
 
Fuck you, bitch.

The USA's heinous behavior makes China look as the perfect, most reliable economic partner here in Latin America, while making you look like shit.
The next puppet dictator instaled by the USA will be killed, and we will not stop trading with China.

And we will do this without using the dollar.

Oh look the resident CCP shill is back. You're such a weird dude - every single time there is remotely any criticism of China, you come in like Captain Save a Hoe defending the CCP's honor. You even did this in the electric vehicle thread.

Fuck China. They just took a gigantic L. Their much vaunted radar was completely ineffective.

lmao at mental gymnastics by trump supporters to try and make sense of intervening in Venezuela after Trump campaigned on "bring troops back and america first"

What mental gymnastics? It's pretty freaking straightforward.

China is a threat and can't be allowed to control the world's largest oil reserve right in our backyard.

So were they a "gigantic factor" when we were actively trying to do this 20 years ago?

Sorry, the China Scare doesn't work on me. I'm not worried about China, I'm concerned with my own government.

Oh Snubnoze is not worried about China!

Hurry up and tell South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, Australia, India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia not to worry. They've been arming for years for no reason.
 
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Oh look the resident CCP Captain Save a Ho is back.

Fuck China. They just took a gigantic L. Their much vaunted radar was completely ineffective.



What mental gymnastics? It's pretty freaking straightforward.

China is a threat and can't be allowed to control the largest oil reserves right in our backyard.



Oh Snubnoze is not worried about China!

Hurry up and tell South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, Australia, India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia not to worry. They've been arming for years for no reason.

lmao China doesn't control anything separated by the Pacific ocean. This bizarre make it up as you go bullshit isn't even being peddled by the Trump regime.
 
lmao China doesn't control anything separated by the Pacific ocean. This bizarre make it up as you go bullshit isn't even being peddled by the Trump regime.

Yes China is definitely not trying to gain influence all over Latin America. Definitely didn't have a Chinese delegation inside Venezuela the day of Maduro being taken. They're definitely not trying to control the Panama Canal through the Belt and Road Initiative purchases of ports.

All of these things are known facts already broski.
 
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China-Made Military Radars May Have Failed Venezuela During US Raid

The U.S. raid on the Venezuelan capital Saturday, which resulted in the capture of President Nicolás Maduro and his wife, demonstrated the U.S. retains a technological edge over hardware obtained from its Chinese ally, a senior Taiwanese official said Monday.

The attack in Caracas could mark a reputational blow for Beijing, as the JY‑27A mobile anti‑stealth radars sold to Venezuela, and touted as capable of detecting fifth‑generation stealth aircraft like U.S. F‑22s and F‑35s from over 150 miles away, purportedly failed to give an early warning at the critical hour.

Why It Matters
U.S. forces bombed infrastructure at several spots around northern Venezuela, which Venezuelan officials said killed more than 80 people, including civilians. Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, were flown to New York City where they face charges related to “narcoterrorism.” Critics say the operation violated international law and possibly U.S. law, pointing out it was launched without prior congressional notification or approval.

Experts say the early morning raid highlighted not only the strength of U.S. intelligence capabilities in Caracas but also the limits, or at least operational effectiveness, of Chinese radar fielded in Venezuela, once considered among South America’s most capable air‑defense networks. China is seeking to raise its profile as a major source of international arms.

Newsweek reached out to the Chinese Foreign Ministry and the Pentagon via emailed requests for comment.

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This photo taken by Chinese state media shows a JY-27V high-mobility meter-wave air surveillance radar being displayed at the 11th World Radio Detection and Ranging Expo in Hefei, Anhui Province, on May 17, 2025.

Taiwan Vice Defense Minister Hsu Szu‑chien, speaking during a legislative hearing, said the U.S. strike demonstrated American weapons and equipment remain “unmatched.”

However, he added that the most important factors were a lack of adequate maintenance and support for the equipment fielded by Venezuela. “This is very important to us. The equipment needs to be constantly maintained and updated. If the enemy is making progress, we must also make progress.”

His remarks come one week after China launched its latest round of military drills aimed at warning the self‑ruled Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its territory and has vowed to unify with, through force if necessary.

The Miami Strategic Intelligence Institute, a conservative think tank that promotes democracy in Latin America, characterized Venezuela’s air defense “in critical condition" in a June report, just two months before the U.S. began ramping up its naval presence in the Caribbean with the stated goal of combating drug trafficking operations.

“Over 60 percent of the country’s radar fleet [was] out of commission,” the report said, pointing to a shortage of spare parts and "minimum" technical support from China, which was said to be providing the parts exclusively through civilian intermediaries. The report based its findings on direct testimonies and confirmed communications among Bolivarian military personnel, cross-checked against maintenance records, technical data and open-source information.

Analysts have noted that even radar systems theoretically designed to detect stealth aircraft are insufficient on their own to defend against them.

What People are Saying

Rick Joe, open-source analyst and longtime commentator on Chinese military developments, on X
: "You still need a competent, modern, networked GBAD [ground‑based air defense] as well as multi‑domain IADS [integrated air defense system]."

Eric Hundman, China analyst and director of research at BluePath Labs, in a March report for the China Aerospace Studies Institute, a U.S. Air Force think tank: “At least 23 countries were found to have received Chinese‑made air defense radar systems, although occasional reports about problems with their capabilities and reliability may indicate PRC [People’s Republic of China] manufacturers are struggling to compete in this sector. Major recipients of these systems include Pakistan, Venezuela, and Egypt.”

What Happens Next

It remains to be seen how the U.S. strike will affect Chinese sales of radar and other defense systems.
 
Yes China is definitely not trying to gain influence all over Latin America. Definitely didn't have a Chinese delegation inside Venezuela the day of Maduro being taken. They're definitely not trying to control the Panama Canal through the Belt and Road Initiative purchases of ports.

All of these things are known facts already broski.

China doesn't control anything separated by the Pacific ocean. That's the fact.

This is all just delusional fan fiction drivel. Overt military action against South American countries expressly for profit at their expense is going to do more to drive countries away from America than 10,000 belt and road initiatives and few radars.
 
China doesn't control anything separated by the Pacific ocean. That's the fact.

This is all just delusional fan fiction drivel. Overt military action against South American countries expressly for profit at their expense is going to do more to drive countries away from America than 10,000 belt and road initiatives and few radars.

They're certainly trying. $100 billion in investments in Venezuela since 2007 - the most out of any country on Earth.

You're being delusional (or just plain dishonest) if you don't know China is trying to challenge U.S. regional preeminence in this hemisphere.
 
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