International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

Are you new to this shit? Placing a puppet in Venezuela has been a NeoCon goal for TWENTY YEARS. We've been trying to do this since Hugo Chavez was President. Trump tried to do it in his first term with Juan Guaido. John Bolton ADMITTED TO THIS on live TV right to your fucking face. They are TELLING YOU they are doing this for oil and resources. NO AMBIGUITY. Trump literally said we are going to RUN VENEZUELA AND SELL IT'S OIL.

We haven't put a puppet there. It's the VP in charge ATM.

China is not going to attack us militarily, you bozo.

Of course China is not going to pre-emptively attack. But they have spy bases in Venezuela and Cuba already. Letting Venezuela go completely to China is a major security threat.

We're a bigger threat to them than they are to us, go look at US military presence around China. Who is the one bombing other countries? I'm embarrassed for you.

We're not the ones trying to annex the entire South China Sea with their bullshit man made islands. We're not ramming boats into Filipino fishing boats right off their coast. We're not trying to annex land from India at their border. We're not threatening to take Taiwan and flying fighter jets over their airspace constantly.

I'm sorry but how is it looking like María Corina Machado is poised to take over? Trump basically said the exact opposite my guy. And now you have her on social media basically offering the nobel peace prize to Trump in return for him supporting her. Its twilight zone level shit, but I don't see her taking power, ever.

Sounded to me like Trump is going to try and strong arm them via the VP to do their bidding til elections are held.

Pretty sure Machado is going to run in the elections my guy. She's going there very soon.



LMAO @ all you people defending a brutal dictator who we just took without even killing him.

Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE IT that he's gone.
 
Something being analogous is not a 0% or 100% proposition, shit for brains. An analogy is comparing similar things/situations to highlight a particular point or idea, dumbass.
You can debate how similar or dissimilar you THINK the two things I compared were, but it's still a fucking analogy. You could think what I said was only 20% similar while I could think it was 80%---but either way, that doesn't make it not an analogy. It makes you an idiot, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is an analogy.
I hope to god English isn't your native tongue.


You see how you have to keep moving the goalposts and moving past the facts in order to justify something that can't be justified?
This isn't complicated. This was an illegal act. No country should unilaterally go into another country and just take out their leader.
Key word here for the slow people is: UNILATERALLY.
Even in your Kosovo example, the US didn't just go in alone and act.
Add to that, the world in 1998 vs 2026 are worlds apart.
It's not even just about this action--this is an America that's been in "nation building" wars for the past few decades, an America that ignores or funds the heinous acts of leaders in other countries, this act is being carried out by a President that said he was "America first"/party of law and order, and has a shit ton of his own scandals to deal with.
We're also in a world where Russia and Ukraine is a hot issue...as well as China and Taiwan. How greater powers act towards weaker ones is more important now than ever because it sets the stage of what is and isn't acceptable for the future.
None of this is being done for some greater moral good. And these sort of actions often have long lasting effects that we'll get a taste of 20 years down the road.

The bottom line here is if you think that this was the right action by the US, then good for you, think that. You are free to be a hypocrite. You are free to not care about the law. And you are free to be a retard.
But don't try to feed us some bullshit about the law not actually mattering, that this was done with good intentions, or any other "whataboutisms" from the past.

He will kick the ball elsewhere and ignore all the points you make
 
We haven't put a puppet there. It's the VP in charge ATM.



Of course China is not going to pre-emptively attack. But they have spy bases in Venezuela and Cuba already. Letting Venezuela go completely to China is a major security threat.



We're not the ones trying to annex the entire South China Sea with their bullshit man made islands. We're not ramming boats into Filipino fishing boats right off their coast. We're not trying to annex land from India at their border. We're not threatening to take Taiwan and flying fighter jets over their airspace constantly.



Pretty sure Machado is going to run in the elections my guy. She's going there very soon.



LMAO @ all you people defending a brutal dictator who we just took without even killing him.

Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE IT that he's gone.
This is such a brain dead argument. Why do you guys insist on lying as if we can't read what each other are writing?

Who is defending Maduro? Who is saying he's a great guy?
The entire argument here is on the legality of one country unilaterally going to another country and taking out a leader on some bullshit that we all know Trump doesn't give a shit about. Trump didn't even do it with the support of our government.
"Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE" this?
What are you basing that on? Even if this were true, it doesn't matter. The law is not here to placate feelings.
If Australia kidnapped Trump and Melania to be put on trial, I can promise that you'd see a lot of Americans cheering it on.
That wouldn't justify the act.
 
We haven't put a puppet there. It's the VP in charge ATM.



Of course China is not going to pre-emptively attack. But they have spy bases in Venezuela and Cuba already. Letting Venezuela go completely to China is a major security threat.



We're not the ones trying to annex the entire South China Sea with their bullshit man made islands. We're not ramming boats into Filipino fishing boats right off their coast. We're not trying to annex land from India at their border. We're not threatening to take Taiwan and flying fighter jets over their airspace constantly.



Pretty sure Machado is going to run in the elections my guy. She's going there very soon.



LMAO @ all you people defending a brutal dictator who we just took without even killing him.

Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE IT that he's gone.


Who the fuck is defending Marudo? Are you literally making shit up? Its a new thing the MAGET crew seems to do, I don't get it. BUT



The Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado has vowed to return to the country as soon as possible and rejected the authority of the interim president backed – for now – by the US after it forcibly removed Nicolás Maduro from power.

Shes going to return to the Country while not recognizing the current leader that the US recognizes in Marudo's VP? Why is she going to return now and not months ago? She was afraid of Marudo himself shooting her or what?

Trump explicitly shut her down btw, so what in your world has changed for her to return safely to Venezuela?
 
This is such a brain dead argument. Why do you guys insist on lying as if we can't read what each other are writing?

Who is defending Maduro? Who is saying he's a great guy?
The entire argument here is on the legality of one country unilaterally going to another country and taking out a leader on some bullshit that we all know Trump doesn't give a shit about. Trump didn't even do it with the support of our government.
"Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE" this?
What are you basing that on? Even if this were true, it doesn't matter. The law is not here to placate feelings.
If Australia kidnapped Trump and Melania to be put on trial, I can promise that you'd see a lot of Americans cheering it on.
That wouldn't justify the act.

You think Russia would stand still if we started building spy bases in Belarus and bribed Lukashenko to give us unfettered access to the country?

You think China would stand still if we did the same thing in neighboring Mongolia?

GTFO. What you're proposing is doing nothing while allowing China (and to a lesser extent Russia and Iran) build a power base right in our backyard.

So we did the only thing we could - arrest Maduro (a brutal dictator that the whole population hates) with ZERO soldiers killed and very minimal damage. This shit was a master stroke.

Who the fuck is defending Marudo? Are you literally making shit up? Its a new thing the MAGET crew seems to do, I don't get it. BUT

Literally all of you people bitching are defending Maduro - that we shouldn't have arrested him.

The Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado has vowed to return to the country as soon as possible and rejected the authority of the interim president backed – for now – by the US after it forcibly removed Nicolás Maduro from power.

Shes going to return to the Country while not recognizing the current leader that the US recognizes in Marudo's VP? Why is she going to return now and not months ago? She was afraid of Marudo himself shooting her or what?

Trump explicitly shut her down btw, so what in your world has changed for her to return safely to Venezuela?

All Trump did was refuse to back her. There will still be elections.

NY Times: Why Trump Refused to Back Venezuela’s Machado: Fears of Chaos, and Fraying Ties
 
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“A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue" Trump said
 
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You think Russia would stand still if we started building spy bases in Belarus and bribed Lukashenko to give us unfettered access to the country?

You think China would stand still if we did the same thing in neighboring Mongolia?

GTFO. What you're proposing is doing nothing while allowing China (and to a lesser extent Russia and Iran) build a power base right in our backyard.

So we did the only thing we could - arrest Maduro (a brutal dictator that the whole population hates) with ZERO soldiers killed and very minimal damage. This shit was a master stroke.



Literally all of you people bitching are defending Maduro - that we shouldn't have arrested him.



All Trump did was refuse to back her. There will still be elections.

NY Times: Why Trump Refused to Back Venezuela’s Machado: Fears of Chaos, and Fraying Ties

Nobody is defending Maduro you pansy, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they defacto have the exact opposite stance. Just because people disagree with Trump doing this with zero oversight doesn't mean people care if Maduro accidently fell out of a building.


Also fking LMAO @ stating "all Trump did was refuse to back her!!" that is a huge fucking deal my guy, what are you even saying? And not only did he refuse to back her, he backs the VP of Maduro. The person who has the most ties and concept/policys of Maduro.
 
You think Russia would stand still if we started building spy bases in Belarus and bribed Lukashenko to give us unfettered access to the country?

You think China would stand still if we did the same thing in neighboring Mongolia?

GTFO. What you're proposing is doing nothing while allowing China (and to a lesser extent Russia and Iran) build a power base right in our backyard.

So we did the only thing we could - arrest Maduro (a brutal dictator that the whole population hates) with ZERO soldiers killed and very minimal damage. This shit was a master stroke.



Literally all of you people bitching are defending Maduro - that we shouldn't have arrested him.



All Trump did was refuse to back her. There will still be elections.

NY Times: Why Trump Refused to Back Venezuela’s Machado: Fears of Chaos, and Fraying Ties
And if the chavistas are still in charge, they will just rig the elections again
 
You think Russia would stand still if we started building spy bases in Belarus and bribed Lukashenko to give us unfettered access to the country?

You think China would stand still if we did the same thing in neighboring Mongolia?

GTFO. What you're proposing is doing nothing while allowing China (and to a lesser extent Russia and Iran) build a power base right in our backyard.

So we did the only thing we could - arrest Maduro (a brutal dictator that the whole population hates) with ZERO soldiers killed and very minimal damage. This shit was a master stroke.



Literally all of you people bitching are defending Maduro - that we shouldn't have arrested him.



All Trump did was refuse to back her. There will still be elections.

NY Times: Why Trump Refused to Back Venezuela’s Machado: Fears of Chaos, and Fraying Ties
You are trying to tell me that Venezuela was such an imminent threat, that the ONLY option America had was to kidnap Maduro? That was the ONLY option?

Between Russia, China, and America....which one of us claims to be the morally superior ones that believe in laws and rules?

This is the same dumb logic of excusing a cop for his illegal actions because gang members are doing worse actions.
"OMG, my only choice was to also be a criminal. I couldn't follow the law. Couldn't join up with other law abiding citizens to take out the gangs. The ONLY option was kidnapping!"
GTFO with these bullshit arguments.

The United States already has spies and bases everywhere around the world, including in China and Russia's backyard.
If the United States didn't act like giant assholes we would be able to actually work with the countries in our hemisphere instead of them going to other powers. The US has been fucking with Latin America for decades, and now ya'll are acting like these small countries are the ones that started this shit. Or as if the US has played no role in the destabilization of these places.
China and Russia have been able to expand their influence BECAUSE of the United States. But you will support whatever the US does because you have no principles.
MAGA making fascism great again in 2026.
 
Nobody is defending Maduro you pansy, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they defacto have the exact opposite stance. Just because people disagree with Trump doing this with zero oversight doesn't mean people care if Maduro accidently fell out of a building.


Also fking LMAO @ stating "all Trump did was refuse to back her!!" that is a huge fucking deal my guy, what are you even saying? And not only did he refuse to back her, he backs the VP of Maduro. The person who has the most ties and concept/policys of Maduro.

Ok so what is your solution to China encroaching into Venezuela and trying to turn all of Latin America against us?

Say we didn't depose Maduro.

We have Venezuela still trying to take 2/3rd's of Guyana's oil reserves by force.
Inviting China to be even more involved in the country and they're selling them even more weapons. And gain access to the largest oil reserves in the entire world.
Maduro was actively trying to recruit Colombia, Ecuador and Panama into a "Gran Colombia" alliance opposing the US.

All of these three things are undisputed facts that were happening.

What is your solution? Go.

You are trying to tell me that Venezuela was such an imminent threat, that the ONLY option America had was to kidnap Maduro? That was the ONLY option?

Yes they were an imminent threat. Because they had already amassed troops and were trying to annex 2/3rd's of Guyana's newly discovered massive oil reserves. Then deepening relations with China was also an imminent threat.

I swear none of you people are even paying attention to what was repeated multiple times in this thread.

Say we don't kidnap Maduro and he's still going ahead with annexing Guyana - what's your solution?

Between Russia, China, and America....which one of us claims to be the morally superior ones that believe in laws and rules?

LMAO at comparing China and Russia to the US.

I don't care either way. I'm team United States - not Team China or Russia. This is geopolitical war on a global scale.

The United States already has spies and bases everywhere around the world, including in China and Russia's backyard.

Yep and if we didn't do that, China and Russia would be dominating all the countries around them. There's a very good reason ALL the countries around China and Russia wants to align or has already aligned with the US.

If the United States didn't act like giant assholes we would be able to actually work with the countries in our hemisphere instead of them going to other powers.

Yea that's why the Philippines invited the US back into their country to build more bases. That's why Australia has procured a nuclear sub from us. That's why South Korea and the US are now allying to build a nuclear sub for them.

That's why Taiwan just bought a shit ton of weapons from the US.

Yea the US may be assholes, but China and Russia are gaping prolapsed porn star anuses. Hence, literally everyone around China and Russia aligning with the US over them.


The US has been fucking with Latin America for decades, and now ya'll are acting like these small countries are the ones that started this shit. Or as if the US has played no role in the destabilization of these places.
China and Russia have been able to expand their influence BECAUSE of the United States. But you will support whatever the US does because you have no principles.
MAGA making fascism great again in 2026.

So you basically want the US to do nothing while China turns the entirety of Latin America against them. Got it.

You must be foreign.
 
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Who the fuck is defending Marudo? Are you literally making shit up? Its a new thing the MAGET crew seems to do, I don't get it. BUT

It's the same dipshit argument as the War on Terror days.

Criticize the bombing/invading/attacking of a foreign country that poses no threat:

"Why are you supporting Bin Laden?? You like terrorists or something?"

"Why do you love Saddam? He was a brutal dictator, you know"
 
We haven't put a puppet there. It's the VP in charge ATM.
Because the mission hasn't been accomplished. Venezuela isn't just bowing down because we nabbed Maduro. The intent is clearly stated however, and it has nothing to do with your excuses.
Of course China is not going to pre-emptively attack. But they have spy bases in Venezuela and Cuba already. Letting Venezuela go completely to China is a major security threat.
Good for them. I would too if I was China. The United States is unhinged.
We're not the ones trying to annex the entire South China Sea with their bullshit man made islands. We're not ramming boats into Filipino fishing boats right off their coast. We're not trying to annex land from India at their border. We're not threatening to take Taiwan and flying fighter jets over their airspace constantly.
How many countries did they bomb? You never answered. We literally just bombed a country and kidnapped their President, after 2 years of supporting a genocide. There is no comparison.
LMAO @ all you people defending a brutal dictator who we just took without even killing him.
LMAO @ you defending NeoCons. You just regurgitate dumb claims about "dictator" not knowing anything about their election process. Where were you in that thread over that last election when ZERO people were challenging my points? Someone told you the runner up actually won and you just believed that. No evidence whatsoever. They have a more secure election process than we do.
Most of the local Venezuelans LOVE IT that he's gone.
Americans would LOVE Donald Trump kidnapped. Americans would LOVE Joe Biden kidnapped. That point is irrelevant. We've been doing everything in our power to tank that country with sanctions and Coup attempts for decades. We share the blame for the state of that country.
 
Ok so what is your solution to China encroaching into Venezuela and trying to turn all of Latin America against us?
WE ARE TURNING LATIN AMERICA AGAINST US. This action made relations WORSE, not better.

Why can't they do business with China? It sure as hell makes a lot more sense than doing business with the US that has been fucking with their countries, doing Coups, for nearly 100 years.
 
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Good for them. I would too if I was China. The United States is unhinged.

Fuck China.

How many countries did they bomb? You never answered. We literally just bombed a country and kidnapped their President, after 2 years of supporting a genocide. There is no comparison.

They tried to invade Vietnam and Laos including aerial bombardment. They bombed Cambodia and supported the Khmer Rouge.

Now they're constrained by the US and it's allies in the Pacific. If it wasn't for US support, they'd be a lot more aggressive.

LMAO @ you defending NeoCons. You just regurgitate dumb claims about "dictator" not knowing anything about their election process. Where were you in that thread over that last election when ZERO people were challenging my points? Someone told you the runner up actually won and you just believed that. No evidence whatsoever. They have a more secure election process than we do.

LMAO@ you defending a brutal dictator and China.

Americans would LOVE Donald Trump kidnapped. Americans would LOVE Joe Biden kidnapped. That point is irrelevant. We've been doing everything in our power to tank that country with sanctions and Coup attempts for decades. We share the blame for the state of that country.

BS. The primary culprit of Venezuela's collapse was gross government mismanagement, extensive corruption, over reliance on oil, and horrible macroeconomic policies by Chavez and Maduro.

Every economist says so.

WE ARE TURNING LATIN AMERICA AGAINST US.

Why can't they do business with China? It sure as hell makes a lot more sense than doing business with the US that has been fucking with their countries, doing Coups, for nearly 100 years.

Bullshit. Venezuela was one of our greatest allies in Latin America for literally decades until Hugo Chavez came into power. Which coincided with the Venezuelan population being amongst the richest on the continent.

That's the reason Venezuela has stocks of F-16 fighter jets. A relic of the time when we used to be good allies.

We didn't turn Venezuela against us. It was Hugo Chavez that turned their backs against the US.
 
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lmao at mental gymnastics by trump supporters to try and make sense of intervening in Venezuela after Trump campaigned on "bring troops back and america first"

guess its american oil companies first bitches, fuck the american people lmao

cant wait for @Hog-train to come up with reasons why annexing Greenland will soon, also, be a "massive win" :D :D
 
Fuck China.



They tried to invade Vietnam and Laos including aerial bombardment. They bombed Cambodia and supported the Khmer Rouge.

Now they're constrained by the US and it's allies in the Pacific. If it wasn't for US support, they'd be a lot more aggressive.



LMAO@ you defending a brutal dictator and China.



BS. The primary culprit of Venezuela's collapse was gross government mismanagement, extensive corruption, over reliance on oil, and horrible macro economic policies by Chavez and Maduro.

Every economist says so.



Bullshit. Venezuela was one of our greatest allies in Latin America for literally decades until Hugo Chavez came into power. Which coincided with the Venezuelan population being amongst the richest on the continent.

That's the reason Venezuela has stocks of F-16 fighter jets. A relic of the time when we used to be good allies.

We didn't turn Venezuela against us. It was Hugo Chavez that turned their backs against the US.
This back and forth is pointless. Trump said right to your FACE that we're in there for the oil. Point blank. DID HE NOT? You haven't addressed that. I'm not doing this sentence by sentence nonsense.
 
lets face it, Trump admires dictators and wants to do the same shit they do
all gloves are off, its now about who can steal more resources from others and project power - even Trump openly admits it.

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This back and forth is pointless. Trump said right to your FACE that we're in there for the oil. Point blank. DID HE NOT? You haven't addressed that. I'm not doing this sentence by sentence nonsense.

Yea but he also mentioned China, Russia and Iran "to your FACE." And also Chinese access to oil.

Why are you pretending China is not a gigantic factor here? In fact, it's the primary reason.
 
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